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2012 Presidential Election Part 4

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Look at the takeaways from the debate. Can't think of anything beyond being aggressive that you could use against Obama. Maybe some people are turned off by that but its not like Romney wasn't the same way. Now for Romney as someone has already mentioned that Benghazi mistake was Gerald Ford in '76 debate type bad. He didn't know his facts on an extremely sensitive topic and got flustered when the moderator put the smack down on him. That's not Presidential material. He also blew the question of paying for his tax cuts. I don't even think he tried to answer it.

As there are very, very few undecided voters left in this election, its all about the base. With early voting seemingly upheld by the courts Obama's campaign needs to use this debate performance to drive people to the polls. The more you bank early the better.

EDIT: CNN has the worst freakin coverage. They need to get a few more babes out there because that would be a lot more interesting that their "analysis"
 
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When they were going back-and-forth on the drilling permits Romney should have just looked into the camera and asked the viewers to look up the facts after the debate. That would have been far more effective. When you know you're right make a firm stand and move on.
 
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MinnFan said:
When they were going back-and-forth on the drilling permits Romney should have just looked into the camera and asked the viewers to look up the facts after the debate. That would have been far more effective. When you know you're right make a firm stand and move on.
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the facts that show drilling was down in 2011 due to the gulf spill, but still up when compared to bush's last year in office? You sure about that one?
 
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I don't know the facts about drilling, but I know this: my roommate's job requires that he go out into the field when a client wants to build on federal land, and survey the site, mostly for cultural artifacts and whatnot. Most of his field time is spent walking proposed pipeline routes. Last summer, he was in the field for 10 days, and home for 11 most of the summer. This summer, he's out for 10, home for 4. Much more work, which I presume means more pipelines in the works. The idea that Obama is quashing everything regarding oil and gas is greatly exaggerated.
 
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Favorite comment I've seen was about the Romney and guns. Specifically to his assertion that more marriages would lead to less crime (?). Somebody wrote that his girlfriend was out doing drive bys in Compton until he put a ring on her finger. :D
 
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It seems like the number of producing acres on federal lands, and the number of producing leases on federal lands is consistent throughout recent years. Again, I don't necessarily know what I'm looking at in that chart (the one at the BLM site) but it doesn't seem like it supports the idea that Obama is killing the energy industry.
 
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Permits were the point of contention.

Pretty sure

Actually, very sure
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Romney's line was "oil production dropped 14% this year because of a drop in permits."

It dropped 14% last year because of the gulf spill. It's still up overall regardless of the number of permits.

the 14% line was nominally true. The drop in permits may or may not be true (I haven't looked, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and agree its true). Saying there's a link between the two is patently false.
 
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unofan said:
Romney's line was "oil production dropped 14% this year because of a drop in permits."

It dropped 14% last year because of the gulf spill. It's still up overall regardless of the number of permits.

the 14% line was nominally true. The drop in permits may or may not be true (I haven't looked, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt and agree its true). Saying there's a link between the two is patently false.
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Where they really squared off was when Romeny said that permits had dropped 50%. I believe the actual number is 62% down off shore and 33% inland. You are right that overall production is close, but there is a lag between when you get a permit and when it starts producing. If nothing else changes, you can expect production to drop on federal lands going forward due to fewer permits.

The reason that this is a big deal to me is that it is the only way I can see out of our current fiscal situation. With a $16T debt we are still going to have to cut, but that and standard economic growth aren't going to get us out from under the hole that we have dug. The added growth and revenue from drilling may be able to pull us out of this mess without a huge amount of pain.
 
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The only act of terror mentioned in that transcript was related to the original 9/11 attack.
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I don't get what you're after. The transcript you mention shows:

"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."

It's reasonable to see that as saying what happened in Benghazi was an "act of terror." Also possible to think he's hedging, and that's a fair criticism, I'd say. Is that what you're saying? "Why did he seem to be hedging?"
 
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So Romney is getting lit up on the 'net with his "binders full of women" comment.
 
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What's wrong with using the internet for your porn like everyone else? Why would you save it in a sticky binder?
 
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So what was Obama thinking, trying to pretend that his administration had something to do with increased oil and gas production? While the evidence is quite clear that permits to drill on federal land / offshore are down, he had a ready-made excuse! All he needed to say was that, due to the oil spill in the gulf and the subsequent moratorium on drilling there, that we can't merely drill, we also have to drill safely. Yet he didn't. Weird. Now he's opened himself up, needlessly, to charges that he made an inaccurate statement...and those charges are quite easily demonstrated to be accurate.

Too much Red Bull gives you energy yet clouds the wit, Barry.
 
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So what was Obama thinking, trying to pretend that his administration had something to do with increased oil and gas production? While the evidence is quite clear that permits to drill on federal land / offshore are down, he had a ready-made excuse! All he needed to say was that, due to the oil spill in the gulf and the subsequent moratorium on drilling there, that we can't merely drill, we also have to drill safely. Yet he didn't. Weird. Now he's opened himself up, needlessly, to charges that he made an inaccurate statement...and those charges are quite easily demonstrated to be accurate.

Too much Red Bull gives you energy yet clouds the wit, Barry.
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A minor point that Obama easily refuted but to add on I'd say that all oil and gas production has to be done with the blessing of the gubmint or it wouldn't get the permits it needs to proceed. So the idea of federal vs private land is a false one. Either production is up or its not. Its up, which is a pretty simple concept for people to wrap their minds around.

Now kindly cover the part about Mittens exploiting a national tragedy for political gain, but getting his facts blatantly wrong so much that even the moderator had to correct him.
 
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Rover said:
Now kindly cover the part about Mittens exploiting a national tragedy for political gain, but getting his facts blatantly wrong so much that even the moderator had to correct him.
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Romney was actually right about Obama's dangerously incompetent reaction to Benghazi (although that wasn't made clear at the time for those viewers who didn't have the background knowledge to catch it). Hopefully it was a wake up call, I believe the prez when he says he cares about the diplomats and he'll try to do better.
 
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