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2012 Presidential Election Part 4

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why talk about 8,000,000,000,000?!?! that is a digit that nobody can grasp.
 
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where does this number come from here? do the girls at mcdonalds make $0.72/hr while dude's make $1.00?
 
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mookie1995 said:
where does this number come from here? do the girls at mcdonalds make $0.72/hr while dude's make $1.00?
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I'd also be interested in where these numbers can be simply pulled out of their asses from. But I do know that my mother was making ~6k less a year than the men who were doing the same job at her work place. It was only a few years before she retired that they finally gave her a small raise that didn't close that gap. (Cleveland Cliffs, not a small operation)
 
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Old Pio said:
It's a plot by unreconstructed male chauvanist pigs to hold women down.
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can't be... some fool is running surveys and tabulating this. but details, please?

like i can see female professional basketball players making a smaller percentage than men basketball players.
 
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Speaking of opportunities for women, don't they outnumber men in college these days?
 
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mookie1995 said:
can't be... some fool is running surveys and tabulating this. but details, please?

like i can see female professional basketball players making a smaller percentage than men basketball players.
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That would fall under the heading of freedom of choice.
 
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Foxton said:
I'd also be interested in where these numbers can be simply pulled out of their asses from. But I do know that my mother was making ~6k less a year than the men who were doing the same job at her work place. It was only a few years before she retired that they finally gave her a small raise that didn't close that gap. (Cleveland Cliffs, not a small operation)
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did she work as long there as they did?

1) if you come into a job at X you will tend to get raises. so if you've been there so many years and a new person is hired, man or woman, they will probably be making less... or more if they ask for more coming in. nobody in an office doing the same work make the same. it is silly to assume as much.
2) that starting salary that i mention above is primarily brought about with what you ask for to start. if someone is more in need of a job they may price themselves lower. that's just fact.

in no way can you expect to see everyone making the same salary for doing the same 'job'. just not possible.
 
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Romney still won't tell us where the 8 trillion dollars he's going to spend comes from. What a putz.
 
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mookie1995 said:
did she work as long there as they did?

1) if you come into a job at X you will tend to get raises. so if you've been there so many years and a new person is hired, man or woman, they will probably be making less... or more if they ask for more coming in. nobody in an office doing the same work make the same. it is silly to assume as much.
2) that starting salary that i mention above is primarily brought about with what you ask for to start. if someone is more in need of a job they may price themselves lower. that's just fact.

in no way can you expect to see everyone making the same salary for doing the same 'job'. just not possible.
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I think we've made great progress in diminishing the cultural bias against paying women as much as men. And we'll make more. But the notion that somehow or another we're going to wind up at 50-50 is a will o the wisp.
 
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mookie1995 said:
did she work as long there as they did?

1) if you come into a job at X you will tend to get raises. so if you've been there so many years and a new person is hired, man or woman, they will probably be making less... or more if they ask for more coming in. nobody in an office doing the same work make the same. it is silly to assume as much.
2) that starting salary that i mention above is primarily brought about with what you ask for to start. if someone is more in need of a job they may price themselves lower. that's just fact.

in no way can you expect to see everyone making the same salary for doing the same 'job'. just not possible.
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She was there longer. The raise was to bring her up to the minimum that the men were making.
 
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I work for the state civil rights commission. One of my duties is to help enforce the equal pay laws.

Do women make less? yes.
Are there legitimate factors explaining 95% of that difference? yes (essentially, time off for pregnancy and child rearing, since it's still primarily a women's responsibility rather than a man's - which is a societal issue rather than a company one).
Are there still legitimate cases of outright sex discrimination? also, yes.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Romney still won't tell us where the 8 trillion dollars he's going to spend comes from. What a putz.
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But, one of the most respected sources around here (other than me, of course) assures us he's gonna win.
 
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unofan said:
I work for the state civil rights commission. One of my duties is to help enforce the equal pay laws.

Do women make less? yes.
Are there legitimate factors explaining 95% of that difference? yes (essentially, time off for pregnancy and child rearing, since it's still primarily a women's responsibility rather than a man's - which is a societal issue rather than a company one).
Are there still legitimate cases of outright sex discrimination? also, yes.
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Those are the points I was too lazy to make.
 
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