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2012 Presidential Election Part 4
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http://articles.latimes.com/2005/may/30/health/he-sarcasm30
Not a joke. For some reason when I did the search this time, the standard link I usually post didn't show up.
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/may/30/health/he-sarcasm30
Not a joke. For some reason when I did the search this time, the standard link I usually post didn't show up.
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I'm getting the exact opposite from CBS, fivethirtyeight, and NPR. What are your sources?
I'm getting the exact opposite from CBS, fivethirtyeight, and NPR. What are your sources?
Umm no, he was actually wrong:
"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."
-- President Obama, commenting on the attacks on the U.S. consulate in Libya on September 12, 2012.
Mitt Romney insisted in last night's debate Obama didn't portray it as a terrorist attack.
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Mittens looks like a total idiot on this one. A guy who while trying to exploit a tragedy for political gain can't even get his basic facts straight, then gets befuddled when rightfully corrected by the moderator who then threw him a lifeline on the two weeks thing. Not very Presidential and the most embarassing incident of any debate in this campaign.
ScoobyDoo
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MSNBC (many pundits, not all), CNN (some, not all), Fox News (all), Twin Cities News Talk Radio (all)..................
MSNBC (many pundits, not all), CNN (some, not all), Fox News (all), Twin Cities News Talk Radio (all)..................
Re: 2012 Presidential Election Part 4
Well put. This is also a great way to raise federal revenues without raising tax rates, derive more money from federal assets. Romney has fumbled this opportunity more than once now.
Well put. This is also a great way to raise federal revenues without raising tax rates, derive more money from federal assets. Romney has fumbled this opportunity more than once now.
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UMMM, NO, read the link, moron. Don't just come on here pretending you know what you're talking about when you won't take the time to actually read it.
OK, it explains how even though during the debate the moderator made out like Romney was misrepresenting Obama's wishy-washy response, fact-checkers later, after the debate was over, verified that it was Romney's account that was accurate. Obama and Hillary were basically caught with their pants down and immediately started making up stories to cover it. Go back and actually read the transcripts instead of making a jack of yourself.
UMMM, NO, read the link, moron. Don't just come on here pretending you know what you're talking about when you won't take the time to actually read it.
OK, it explains how even though during the debate the moderator made out like Romney was misrepresenting Obama's wishy-washy response, fact-checkers later, after the debate was over, verified that it was Romney's account that was accurate. Obama and Hillary were basically caught with their pants down and immediately started making up stories to cover it. Go back and actually read the transcripts instead of making a jack of yourself.
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Scooby sandbags to the point where he's basically a caricature of himself now. He was "convinced" Bachmann was the next president for about 3 months.
Scooby sandbags to the point where he's basically a caricature of himself now. He was "convinced" Bachmann was the next president for about 3 months.
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probably safe to say it didn't change any votes then...
probably safe to say it didn't change any votes then...
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I love seeing arrogant dicks get knocked down a few notches. There was a great moment when Obama says he would NEVER *sniff* invest HIS money overseas like the eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil republicans would. Romney says, have you taken a look at your federal pension fund? Obama says, "Why don't we move on to some of these other questions?"
I love seeing arrogant dicks get knocked down a few notches. There was a great moment when Obama says he would NEVER *sniff* invest HIS money overseas like the eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil republicans would. Romney says, have you taken a look at your federal pension fund? Obama says, "Why don't we move on to some of these other questions?"
ScoobyDoo
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I do find it interesting that on Fox News Romney won going away both debates, yet on MSNBC Obama lost the first debate by a wide margin and didn't do enough to win this one going away.
I think you're right though. No votes changed. It's Romney's election to lose.
I do find it interesting that on Fox News Romney won going away both debates, yet on MSNBC Obama lost the first debate by a wide margin and didn't do enough to win this one going away.
I think you're right though. No votes changed. It's Romney's election to lose.
duper
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Does it matter? Isn't the point that Romney is a panderer? That every version of Romney is a manipulative piece of **** who says and does only what will help him without regard for anyone else? Why would a centrist with no political agenda, such as you, not call that out at every opportunity?
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Sometimes things may be so obvious we overlook them completely....
For some reason, I had thought that the "swing" voters we hear about are on the fence, deciding whether to vote for one candidate or the other. I overheard someone saying that the real "swing" voters are those who are debating whether not to vote at all or whether to vote for Romney, and it is in this group that Romney is making his inroads.
Then I realized, "that's me." Obama's policy choices in just about any area you can mention have not worked as promised nor intended. That didn't mean I'd favor Romney, it merely meant I wouldn't vote for Obama.
At the outset of the Republican primaries, I thought Romney might make a decent candidate. We lived in WY in the run-up to the 2000 Salt Lake City Olympics, and the impending disaster in the making dominated the news. Romney's rescue there was quite extraordinary. I knew as MA Governer, he started with a $3 billion budget deficit and when he left office, there was a $2 billion rainy day fund on hand for his successor. I knew about Staples.
Yet during the campaign, none of this came out. He was so out of touch with his strengths, and so clearly trying to win over the hard-core conservatives, that I lost any interest in voting for him that I may have had. I figured "none of the above" was the most responsible choice.
Suddeenly the apolitical super-competent technocrat appeared out of nowhere at the first debate, and built further upon that foundation last night. I went from "neither" to Romney and it sounds like quite a few other people are moving that way as well.
Sometimes things may be so obvious we overlook them completely....
For some reason, I had thought that the "swing" voters we hear about are on the fence, deciding whether to vote for one candidate or the other. I overheard someone saying that the real "swing" voters are those who are debating whether not to vote at all or whether to vote for Romney, and it is in this group that Romney is making his inroads.
Then I realized, "that's me." Obama's policy choices in just about any area you can mention have not worked as promised nor intended. That didn't mean I'd favor Romney, it merely meant I wouldn't vote for Obama.
At the outset of the Republican primaries, I thought Romney might make a decent candidate. We lived in WY in the run-up to the 2000 Salt Lake City Olympics, and the impending disaster in the making dominated the news. Romney's rescue there was quite extraordinary. I knew as MA Governer, he started with a $3 billion budget deficit and when he left office, there was a $2 billion rainy day fund on hand for his successor. I knew about Staples.
Yet during the campaign, none of this came out. He was so out of touch with his strengths, and so clearly trying to win over the hard-core conservatives, that I lost any interest in voting for him that I may have had. I figured "none of the above" was the most responsible choice.
Suddeenly the apolitical super-competent technocrat appeared out of nowhere at the first debate, and built further upon that foundation last night. I went from "neither" to Romney and it sounds like quite a few other people are moving that way as well.
duper
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hahahahahaaaahahahahahaaahahahaha
apolitical!Sometimes things may be so obvious we overlook them completely....
For some reason, I had thought that the "swing" voters we hear about are on the fence, deciding whether to vote for one candidate or the other. I overheard someone saying that the real "swing" voters are those who are debating whether not to vote at all or whether to vote for Romney, and it is in this group that Romney is making his inroads.
Then I realized, "that's me." Obama's policy choices in just about any area you can mention have not worked as promised nor intended. That didn't mean I'd favor Romney, it merely meant I wouldn't vote for Obama.
At the outset of the Republican primaries, I thought Romney might make a decent candidate. We lived in WY in the run-up to the 2000 Salt Lake City Olympics, and the impending disaster in the making dominated the news. Romney's rescue there was quite extraordinary. I knew as MA Governer, he started with a $3 billion budget deficit and when he left office, there was a $2 billion rainy day fund on hand for his successor. I knew about Staples.
Yet during the campaign, none of this came out. He was so out of touch with his strengths, and so clearly trying to win over the hard-core conservatives, that I lost any interest in voting for him that I may have had. I figured "none of the above" was the most responsible choice.
Suddeenly the apolitical super-competent technocrat appeared out of nowhere at the first debate, and built further upon that foundation last night. I went from "neither" to Romney and it sounds like quite a few other people are moving that way as well.
hahahahahaaaahahahahahaaahahahahaRe: 2012 Presidential Election Part 4
I do have a political agenda, it's just that neither candidate seemed to represent it.... I liked Reagan and I liked Clinton (politically, though I detested his personal habits), I really liked CT Gov Jodi Rell. She was one of the best ever.
I do not think the current version of Romney is a panderer. To me the current version of Romney does seem authentic. If you had decades of experience in sales, you'd be attuned to body language, tone of voice, inflection...he's not faking it this time, IMHO. You can sense genuine passion now, he's not saying what people want to hear, he's saying what he truly believes: he is very good at what he does, and he truly believes that what he is good at is exactly what the country needs right now. In a dual sense of the word, he now seems like a man on a mission. (of course, that raises the question, where has he been hiding up to now, as you say).
One of the most powerful motivators of successful people I know is a sense of stewardship. These people are humble, they believe they have been blessed and have a responsibility to use their talents to their fullest, not for their own gratification, but for the advancement of all humanity with whom they come in contact.
now, if you don't know many people like this, it might sound like bovine fecal matter to you.
I've been very fortunate throughout my career to work with some of the best and brightest this country has to offer, and I've lived among people with that attitude first hand.
I do have a political agenda, it's just that neither candidate seemed to represent it.... I liked Reagan and I liked Clinton (politically, though I detested his personal habits), I really liked CT Gov Jodi Rell. She was one of the best ever.
I do not think the current version of Romney is a panderer. To me the current version of Romney does seem authentic. If you had decades of experience in sales, you'd be attuned to body language, tone of voice, inflection...he's not faking it this time, IMHO. You can sense genuine passion now, he's not saying what people want to hear, he's saying what he truly believes: he is very good at what he does, and he truly believes that what he is good at is exactly what the country needs right now. In a dual sense of the word, he now seems like a man on a mission. (of course, that raises the question, where has he been hiding up to now, as you say).
One of the most powerful motivators of successful people I know is a sense of stewardship. These people are humble, they believe they have been blessed and have a responsibility to use their talents to their fullest, not for their own gratification, but for the advancement of all humanity with whom they come in contact.
now, if you don't know many people like this, it might sound like bovine fecal matter to you.
I've been very fortunate throughout my career to work with some of the best and brightest this country has to offer, and I've lived among people with that attitude first hand.I read the link numbnuts and you're trying to make chicken salad out of chicken s# !t. The Mittwit got caught in a lie on camera and then stuttered his way through the rest of the debate, which was hilarious. Real Presidential timber there. As the O and Hillary and Biden said repeatedly, they were getting info out as they knew it and it did take several weeks to unravel. Not sure why that would be hard to understand for anyone but a hard core knuckledragger.
I love the part of the like that says "Romney was right" was trending in Twitter. Well, if that isn't ironclad proof I don't know what is. Idiots.
ScoobyDoo
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It's just another piece of evidence regarding the electorate. I know that Romney was right cause Sean Hannity told me so.
It's just another piece of evidence regarding the electorate. I know that Romney was right cause Sean Hannity told me so.
Doesn't that still make him a phony?
The notion that this won't "change minds" is amusing spin. How is it one debate is a "game changer" but another one has no effect? Must be when one benefits Republicans and the other benefits Democrats.
Mittens had the same problem Ryan did. He couldn't defend his proposals or his own words. Paying for tax breaks for the wealthy. Voucher system for Medicare. Remaining in Iraq and Afghanistan and fighting war with Syria. Taking Todd Akin type approach to social issues. The notion that these things won't be noticed by voters post debate is ludicrious.
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