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The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

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Ozz said:
That came to my mind too. Could take care of that problem by having SNC in over UMB and two QF games in the west. If the split is 8-3 then perhaps send Hobart to Adrian for a QF game and if Adrian wins, then only 2 flights.
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A lot of this will also depend on which two teams show up in Horseheads, NY Friday night !!
 
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I am thinking that, in the end, the NCAA will align the teams to, at least, allow for two West teams to get to MPLS....fly only two teams in and improve chances for a good gate...
Still believe that SNC needs to get the Auto Bid to be part of it...
 
pete99race said:
I am thinking that, in the end, the NCAA will align the teams to, at least, allow for two West teams to get to MPLS....fly only two teams in and improve chances for a good gate...
Still believe that SNC needs to get the Auto Bid to be part of it...
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Flights to the FF have NEVER been a factor in determining the field. Three teams flew to Superior in 2007. Two teams flew to Lake Placid in 2009. Two teams flew to Maine last year. It all depends on what the numbers are and who are the top seeds in the tournament.
 
Sir Skepticism

Sir Skepticism

Sir Nubs said:
Flights to the FF have NEVER been a factor in determining the field.
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Pardon my skepticism, but unless you can offer proof of your axiom, I'll stick to my premise that costs (potential flights and ticket sales) will always influence the field; either the weighting of a particular criterion for selection, or the seeding and pairing process. And ... since 2007, money has become an even larger factor. If three teams fly to Minnesota, I'll gladly admit you were right. For now, suspicion reigns. But ... since we never see the final ranking, which is even more critical this season - considering that "once ranked - always ranked" is gone - we'll never know for sure.

Makes for good forum fodder.
 
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elbojpb said:
Pardon my skepticism, but unless you can offer proof of your axiom, I'll stick to my premise that costs (potential flights and ticket sales) will always influence the field; either the weighting of a particular criterion for selection, or the seeding and pairing process. And ... since 2007, money has become an even larger factor. If three teams fly to Minnesota, I'll gladly admit you were right. For now, suspicion reigns. But ... since we never see the final ranking, which is even more critical this season - considering that "once ranked - always ranked" is gone - we'll never know for sure.

Makes for good forum fodder.
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He did prove it. He provided examples. Two of them. And in any case, the onus should not be on him to disprove what amounts to a conspiracy theory. Show me one example of a team that was, in all probability, left out due to its location. One. Ever. Hell, throw in the old DII championships as well if that helps (it doesn't). Nobody, in the 15 years this ridiculous claim has bounced around the forum, has ever managed to do it, and yet somebody seriously argues for it every. single. year.
 
Re: Sir Skepticism

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elbojpb said:
Pardon my skepticism, but unless you can offer proof of your axiom, I'll stick to my premise that costs (potential flights and ticket sales) will always influence the field; either the weighting of a particular criterion for selection, or the seeding and pairing process. And ... since 2007, money has become an even larger factor. If three teams fly to Minnesota, I'll gladly admit you were right. For now, suspicion reigns. But ... since we never see the final ranking, which is even more critical this season - considering that "once ranked - always ranked" is gone - we'll never know for sure.

Makes for good forum fodder.
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Offer proof of your premise that it does. He's cited examples. I'll add the women's tournament that has flown three teams west before and even flew a team east for a St. Norbert/Plattsburgh QF game once. I really don't think they worry about flights until after the field is selected.
 
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spwood said:
Offer proof of your premise that it does. He's cited examples. I'll add the women's tournament that has flown three teams west before and even flew a team east for a St. Norbert/Plattsburgh QF game once. I really don't think they worry about flights until after the field is selected.
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Agreed.
 
elbojpb said:
Pardon my skepticism, but unless you can offer proof of your axiom, I'll stick to my premise that costs (potential flights and ticket sales) will always influence the field; either the weighting of a particular criterion for selection, or the seeding and pairing process. And ... since 2007, money has become an even larger factor. If three teams fly to Minnesota, I'll gladly admit you were right. For now, suspicion reigns. But ... since we never see the final ranking, which is even more critical this season - considering that "once ranked - always ranked" is gone - we'll never know for sure.

Makes for good forum fodder.
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Once ranked always ranked was gone last year already. I know attention spans are getting shorter but this thread is taking the cake!
 
snc11 said:
Matthew West said, "To cross the boundary from interpretation and application (and) to delve into the world of speculation does a disservice to everyone." Unfortunately, that is what the committee does. They did it in 2011 by selecting Superior and in 2014 by omitting Trinity. It happens, so why shouldn't the common Joe speculate?
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Trinity was closer to the frozen four site than 2 of the 3 pool C winners
 
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ok lets just crown 1 team from the west and 1 from the east and then bull**** all summer on who would have won if they played each other,save time and $$$ that way for sure:eek:
 
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The simplest solution would be to eliminate Pool C. We 'd have an 8 team tournament (before realignment) and no arguments.
 
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joecct said:
The simplest solution would be to eliminate Pool C. We 'd have an 8 team tournament (before realignment) and no arguments.
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Got to have at larges. Excellent teams shouldn't be punished in a one-game tournament format by a hot goaltender stealing a game from them.

If we went to your scenario, there better be two or three-games series formats instituted.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Got to have at larges. Excellent teams shouldn't be punished in a one-game tournament format by a hot goaltender stealing a game from them.

If we went to your scenario, there better be two or three-games series formats instituted.
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It would also reward teams for playing in weak conferences
 
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Don't know if it happened, but there was talk of SNC and Point sharing a flight back from Maine last season. That would also be another way the NCAA could save money on flights. Bus two eastern teams to one airport (Manchester? Burlington? Boston?) and fly them to MN together...

Or at least on the way home.
 
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altazo said:
Don't know if it happened, but there was talk of SNC and Point sharing a flight back from Maine last season. That would also be another way the NCAA could save money on flights. Bus two eastern teams to one airport (Manchester? Burlington? Boston?) and fly them to MN together...
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Two years ago for the women's frozen four in Superior, they had Middlebury, Elmira and Plattsburgh all meet in Albany for a charter flight out to Minneapolis.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Got to have at larges. Excellent teams shouldn't be punished in a one-game tournament format by a hot goaltender stealing a game from them.

If we went to your scenario, there better be two or three-games series formats instituted.
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I have no problem with eliminating Pool C. A hot goaltender can steal a game in the NCAA just as easily as in the Conference Tournament. If Johnson & Wales beats Oswego in an NCAA Play-in game, are they being punished because they ran into a hot goaltender in a one-game tournament format?

I would certainly agree that a 2 or 3 game series format would be ideal!
 
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Ozz said:
I have no problem with eliminating Pool C. A hot goaltender can steal a game in the NCAA just as easily as in the Conference Tournament. If Johnson & Wales beats Oswego in an NCAA Play-in game, are they being punished because they ran into a hot goaltender in a one-game tournament format?

I would certainly agree that a 2 or 3 game series format would be ideal!
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So why play a regular season? Let's just play a huge 70 team best of 3-series format for the entire year to crown a winner.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
So why play a regular season? Let's just play a huge 70 team best of 3-series format for the entire year to crown a winner.
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Play a regular season to determine who plays in the playoffs and who gets advatanges in those said playoffs. The regular season is used to determine playoff positioning/seeding. Take the SUNYAC for example... the regular season eliminates 3 teams from contention, gives 2 teams a 1st round bye in the playoffs, and is used to determine home-ice advantage in those playoffs.
 
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Ozz said:
Play a regular season to determine who plays in the playoffs and who gets advatanges in those said playoffs. The regular season is used to determine playoff positioning/seeding. Take the SUNYAC for example... the regular season eliminates 3 teams from contention, gives 2 teams a 1st round bye in the playoffs, and is used to determine home-ice advantage in those playoffs.
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The SUNYAC has built in advantages to the regular season.

The ECAC East and the NESCAC do not other than home ice basically. All eight Division III ECAC East teams make the playoffs and the only advantage is home ice. The NESCAC two teams miss the playoffs but after that, no advantage other than home ice.
 
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