The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

[Cards81]

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

...and having ZERO wins against ranked teams.

 

[Cards81]

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

Unless of course, you count Nichols (and expect them to hold that #8 spot)

 

[llama]

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

I must say...I'm pretty shocked at Hobart checking in at #3 in the East but happy.

Agreed. They have a solid win %, but their SOS and L25 are obviously what the comittee is focused on right now to put them so high. I'll let other experts weigh in on the whole Pool B positioning angle - wouldn't surprise me if there was some of that in play this early in the process. Having Nichols ranked helps them, too - an RnK of 1-2 is obviously a whole lot better than 0-2. I'll be pulling for the Bison down the stretch.

It's only the first ranking and they have some tough battles in front of them. I have to think they are on "a short leash"...and could drop out of Pool C contention quickly with a loss (especially in their tourney).

 

[OSU2010]

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

Unless of course, you count Nichols (and expect them to hold that #8 spot)

SOMEONE from that conference is going to get a pool A bid, like it or not they have to rank whomever that is for the final secret ranking for seeding purposes. If Nichols losses their conference tournament, someone else in the ECAC-NE WILL be ranked. Lucky for Hobart they have wins over the top two Nichols and Salve Regina. if Johnson and Wales or one of the other bottom of the barrel teams wins it, it could make RNK interesting. I also imagine someone from the MASCAC will be ranked in the end

 

[Sir Nubs]

SOMEONE from that conference is going to get a pool A bid, like it or not they have to rank whomever that is for the final secret ranking for seeding purposes. If Nichols losses their conference tournament, someone else in the ECAC-NE WILL be ranked. Lucky for Hobart they have wins over the top two Nichols and Salve Regina. if Johnson and Wales or one of the other bottom of the barrel teams wins it, it could make RNK interesting. I also imagine someone from the MASCAC will be ranked in the end

Why would there have to be ranked teams from the ECACNE or MASCAC? There doesn't have to be anyone ranked from those leagues.

 

[Cards81]

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I agree with you Nubs. Consipracy: Needed to rank Nichols so that Hobart would have a Ranked victory?? Hmmm.

 

[norm1909]

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

The smoke is clearing and the Ridder Ralph is about to come out of the warming hut and if he sees the rankings, we'll have 6 more weeks of hockey....

AND HERE THEY ARE

NK/REGION	SCHOOL	IN REGION RECORD	OVERALL RECORD	
East				
1	Trinity (Connecticut)	19-2-1	19-2-1	
2	Oswego State	17-1-3	17-2-3	
3	Hobart	18-6-0	18-6-0	
4	Amherst	15-4-2	16-4-2	
5	Norwich	17-3-1	21-3-1	
6	Massachusetts Boston	17-3-1	21-3-1	
7	Plattsburgh State	17-5-1	17-5-1	
8	Nichols	13-3-3	16-3-3	
West				
1	Adrian	19-3-3	19-3-3	
2	Wisconsin-Stevens Point	18-5-0	18-5-0	
3	St. Norbert	17-5-2	17-5-2	
4	Wisconsin-Eau Claire	15-6-2	15-6-2	
5	St. Thomas (Minnesota)	14-5-4	14-5-4	
6	Wisconsin-River Falls	18-4-1	18-4-1

Based on the rankings, Stevens Point gets Pool B (W2 > E3). Pool C is going to be a dogfight!

It will be based on this.

 

[Dyce]

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It will be based on this.

I know you're probably joking, but it's worth repeating at this time of year anyway: the NCAA openly admits to choosing tournament matchups that minimize travel expense, but there is zero evidence that it has ever selected the field with this in mind. It's a myth that pops up around here every season, and it gives me an eye twitch at this point.

 

[norm1909]

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

I know you're probably joking, but it's worth repeating at this time of year anyway: the NCAA openly admits to choosing tournament matchups that minimize travel expense, but there is zero evidence that it has ever selected the field with this in mind. It's a myth that pops up around here every season, and it gives me an eye twitch at this point.

At least in regards to the AQ's - but zero evidence??

 

[Dyce]

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At least in regards to the AQ's - but zero evidence??

If you're talking about the matchup, that's the distinction I made in my previous post: the NCAA manipulates those all the time, but it doesn't pick who makes the tourney in the first place based on travel. If you're talking about the participants, then you'll have to jog my memory as to why St. Thomas was a weak Pool C pick.

 

[norm1909]

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

If you're talking about the matchup, that's the distinction I made in my previous post: the NCAA manipulates those all the time, but it doesn't pick who makes the tourney in the first place based on travel. If you're talking about the participants, then you'll have to jog my memory as to why St. Thomas was a weak Pool C pick.

The match-ups - St Norbert NEVER should have played in the first round that year, lost any faith I had in them.

 

[Dyce]

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The match-ups - St Norbert NEVER should have played in the first round that year, lost any faith I had in them.

Then yeah, we're in agreement. I was simply talking about one team getting picked over another for the tournament to reduce flights, which doesn't happen. And yeah, that St. Norbert first round debacle is as stark an example as it gets of NCAA penny-pinching leading to major shenanigans.

 

[OSU2010]

Why would there have to be ranked teams from the ECACNE or MASCAC? There doesn't have to be anyone ranked from those leagues.

How would they seed them without ranking them?

 

[Fishman'81]

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I agree with you Nubs. Consipracy: Needed to rank Nichols so that Hobart would have a Ranked victory?? Hmmm.

While I agree that Hobart should be 5th or so in the East, I will also say "ranked"-schmanked... That ridiculous/obscure ranking-BS apparently just exists so the Gestapo can manipulate the field as they desire down the road. Clearly, Amherst and Norwich should both own slight edges vs. the Statesmen. (Especially Amherst; Norwich has a very lame SOS.)

Having said that, if HC wins one more, and Platty loses on Friday, game-over as to which of them gets a Pool-C, providing the (way too many) AQ's show-up as expected.

What a hot, sloppy mess the D-3 hockey process is. It's almost ludicrous to attempt to analyze it, as if there's any logic involved. They oughta take a look at how D-1 does it. The PWR wouldn't work well in D-3, but the KRACH would be a HUGE improvement, and go ahead and reserve 4 or 5 spots for the West regardless of how it shakes-out nationally. The proof is in the pudding, as far as that goes.

 

[joecct]

How would they seed them without ranking them?

Put the MASCAC at the bottom and the ECAC-NE right above them. That does not need Dr. Clayton Forrester.

Then the fun begins. There have been a few magic moments in deciding the 3 first round games and the QF matchups keeping in mind the mileage chart.

 

[altazo]

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I enjoy reading the D1 bracketology column on USCHO. Webb has done a D3 version over on the other site that I think is also a pretty good read. Wish Webb still posted here more often...
d3hockey.com/bracketology/men/14-15/feb-18

 

[Sir Nubs]

How would they seed them without ranking them?

Have you ever looked at other D3 sports? Tons of AQ teams are placed into the tournament that aren't regionally ranked all the time. Some regionally ranked teams don't get in.

 

[spwood]

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I enjoy reading the D1 bracketology column on USCHO. Webb has done a D3 version over on the other site that I think is also a pretty good read. Wish Webb still posted here more often...
d3hockey.com/bracketology/men/14-15/feb-18

It was a good analysis too, given the rankings he had to work with.

 

[elbojpb]

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It was a good analysis too, given the rankings he had to work with.

With Webb's prediction of an 8-3 split, and a prelim game out West, the NCAA will be flying 3 teams to the finals. Wonder if that will have a bearing on the selection discussion? especially the choice between UMB and St Norbert.

 

[Ozz]

Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

With Webb's prediction of an 8-3 split, and a prelim game out West, the NCAA will be flying 3 teams to the finals. Wonder if that will have a bearing on the selection discussion? especially the choice between UMB and St Norbert.

That came to my mind too. Could take care of that problem by having SNC in over UMB and two QF games in the west. If the split is 8-3 then perhaps send Hobart to Adrian for a QF game and if Adrian wins, then only 2 flights.