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The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Here's a scary thought: Plattsburgh women are the presumable #1, and the Women's FF is scheduled for 3/20-21. The men's QF is schedule to be played at Plattsburgh on 3/21. Someone has to move to accomodate the other. What happens here?
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Nice problem to have. A number of years back Middlebury men were #1 seed and gave up the chance to host the final four so the #1 seed Middlebury women could host the final four. If Norwich beats Middlebury this weekend than I would believe Norwich would we willing to help solve the problem.:)
 
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altazo said:
first round upset alert: Nichols over Trinity.
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I was thinking the same thing! I think it will be a better game than most people think. The same can't be said about the Norwich/Plymouth matchup. Norwich vs. Amherst is a very interesting QF matchup. Hobart vs. Oswego is a toss up given the Lakers slumping offense.
 
Cards81 said:
I was thinking the same thing! I think it will be a better game than most people think. The same can't be said about the Norwich/Plymouth matchup. Norwich vs. Amherst is a very interesting QF matchup. Hobart vs. Oswego is a toss up given the Lakers slumping offense.
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For what it's worth, Nichols is 4-1-1 vs. "Power 7" conference teams (granted Manhatanville,Castleton,Skidmore,Cortland and Morrisville aren't top quality Ws)

AVG GFA 4.2
AVG GAA 2.0

AVG SOGF 37.8
AVG SOGA 40.8

Pretty decent Save % and they will need it against Trinity
 
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Then that wouldn't explain Plattsburgh below UMB since Plattsburgh is some 20+ spots ahead o f UMB in SOS and exactly why I say when it comes Sunday we could see some major changes once the committee sits down together and crunch's the numbers some more.


1. Trinity Affect: The committee could (and has) weighted the criteria on the private rankings differently (and more) the last week.*
2. You are also not taking into account that IF Norwich wins, Babson will probably fall off the ranking of which UMB then loses another win against RNK.*
3. As teams continue to play, the Last 25% can change which can dramatically affect ones spot
4. Last and most importantly, just because Team A is #3 and Team C is #8 right now does not mean that's who they will end up for a couple of reasons:
a. See #2, one team winning/losing and one team dropping out could have a drastic change with the "once ranked always ranked" not in play anymore
b. As I explained before, because Team A is a head of Team C currently CAN have more to do with Team B in between them. If Team B loses and or wins a Pool A bid, Team A and C can now be directly compared (as I did with Plattsburgh and Hobart). I have not crunched the numbers for Plattsburgh (using the criteria not USCHO/DIII Polls) against the other mentioned teams, but it still comes down to what the Committee will weight this year. Some times it's SOS over H-2-H, some times its RNK over Win %, some times its Last 25%
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Almost like I knew what I was talking about. ....
 
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VT bragging rights said:
Nice problem to have. A number of years back Middlebury men were #1 seed and gave up the chance to host the final four so the #1 seed Middlebury women could host the final four. If Norwich beats Middlebury this weekend than I would believe Norwich would we willing to help solve the problem.:)
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But that was two final four weekends, this is one final four weekend and a one game quarterfinal. They shouldn't have any trouble accommodating that.
 
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jerrynu26 said:
But that was two final four weekends, this is one final four weekend and a one game quarterfinal. They shouldn't have any trouble accommodating that.
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True
The question will be with the Women's games scheduled for the 20th & 21st and the Mens's on the 21st who in the eyes of NCAA will get the 7:00 PM prime time game slot.
 
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VT bragging rights said:
True
The question will be with the Women's games scheduled for the 20th & 21st and the Mens's on the 21st who in the eyes of NCAA will get the 7:00 PM prime time game slot.
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Clarkson this past weekend had the ECAC Women's semifinals and finals plus the men's first round. On Saturday they went
1:00 Clarkson v Cornell (we lost)
4:00 Harvard v Quinnipiac
7:30 Men's game (CCT v RPI)

The only danger was if any of the women's games went marathon, then who knows what the schedule would have been!
 
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...

VT bragging rights said:
True
The question will be with the Women's games scheduled for the 20th & 21st and the Mens's on the 21st who in the eyes of NCAA will get the 7:00 PM prime time game slot.
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I'm almost positive the women's final would take precedence. The really dicey part is that the women's tourney includes a consolation game, which would lock up the rink for the afternoon as well.

edit: Or they just do something like Joe mentioned. Duh.
 
Dyce said:
I'm almost positive the women's final would take precedence. The really dicey part is that the women's tourney includes a consolation game, which would lock up the rink for the afternoon as well.

edit: Or they just do something like Joe mentioned. Duh.
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With the consolation game at 3:30 instead of 4:00, do we see a 12:00 start for the Men? Also: do they bundle all 3 tickets, or force everyone to clear out before the women's games? I really hope all 3 are on Saturday, I wouldn't be able to get Sunday off, and the Friday games are 50/50 as it is!
 
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While we know money isn't always in play, memory serving me correctly all teams must be given a practice slot. Too much for 1 day. The girls have averaged nearly 1400 for Championship games. Since 2005 non Plattsburgh host sites are around 900. Then you toss in another 1700+ game Sunday afternoon....$$$ What was the scuttle with UTICA and the NYSHS Playoffs? If I remember right the NCAA said that they could have played Sunday.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
While we know money isn't always in play, memory serving me correctly all teams must be given a practice slot. Too much for 1 day. The girls have averaged nearly 1400 for Championship games. Since 2005 non Plattsburgh host sites are around 900. Then you toss in another 1700+ game Sunday afternoon....$$$ What was the scuttle with UTICA and the NYSHS Playoffs? If I remember right the NCAA said that they could have played Sunday.
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I think they were given that option, but only if Bowdoin agreed to it... Otherwise it was play on Saturday or forfeit, IIRC.
 
CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Here's a scary thought: Plattsburgh women are the presumable #1, and the Women's FF is scheduled for 3/20-21. The men's QF is schedule to be played at Plattsburgh on 3/21. Someone has to move to accomodate the other. What happens here?
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I'm sure the coaches will make the appropriate arrangements for all involved.
 
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Birds said:
I'm sure the coaches will make the appropriate arrangements for all involved.
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It's not up to the coaches, this is the NCAA's....

From the NCAA Championship Handbook:
For the women’s championship, the third-place game will start at 3:30 p.m. local time Saturday. The championship game for both men and women will start at 7 p.m. (local time) Saturday.
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and also for more bad news come that weekend:

For the Men:
Preliminary Rounds. Visiting teams must have access to one hour of practice ice before 9 p.m. the day before competition and one hour of practice ice the day of competition. All practices are closed.
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For the Women:
Thursday
10 – 11:30 a.m. Game 1 visitor
11:45 a.m. – 1:15 p.m. Game 1 home
1:30 – 3 p.m. Game 2 visitor
3:15 – 4:45 p.m. Game 2 home
The order is subject to change based on team travel and other factors.

Friday
7:30 – 8:30 a.m. Officials
8:45 – 9:45 a.m. Game 1 visitor
10 – 11 a.m. Game 1 home
11:15 a.m. – 12:15 p.m. Game 2 visitor
12:30 – 1:30 p.m. Game 2 home

Saturday
7:30 – 8:30 a.m. Officials
8:45 – 9:45 a.m. Game 1 visitor
10 – 11 a.m. Game 1 home
11:15 a.m. – 12:15 p.m. Game 2 visitor
12:30 – 1:30 p.m. Game 2 home
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So on Saturday there wouldn't be 2 hours available for both Men's teams to practice and play before the consolation game of the women's tournament. Something is going to have to give. I don't see the NCAA and/or any of the women's teams giving up practice time to let the men play, and rightfully so.

Will the NCAA's allow a Sunday game for the men? Will Trinity allow a Sunday game? Did Trinity put in a bid to host a preliminary game? Will Plattsburgh end up being forced to ship off to Trinity?
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
It's not up to the coaches, this is the NCAA's....

From the NCAA Championship Handbook:


and also for more bad news come that weekend:

For the Men:


For the Women:


So on Saturday there wouldn't be 2 hours available for both Men's teams to practice and play before the consolation game of the women's tournament. Something is going to have to give. I don't see the NCAA and/or any of the women's teams giving up practice time to let the men play, and rightfully so.

Will the NCAA's allow a Sunday game for the men? Will Trinity allow a Sunday game? Did Trinity put in a bid to host a preliminary game? Will Plattsburgh end up being forced to ship off to Trinity?
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JEEPERS !!!! This could give new life to the "my team was screwed" thread....
 
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