Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA

[mookie1995]

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Where he and I would probably diverge is if we replaced these obviously worthless "security" measures with some that might actually reduce the odds. I'm guessing he wouldn't be a big fan of those measures, either, because of their theoretical potential for "singling out Muslims" etc. etc.

i recall hearing that muslim women were going to get court ordered excusal from the patdowns as it violates their religous rights or something to be touched in that potential fashion.....

 

[Old Pio]

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i recall hearing that muslim women were going to get court ordered excusal from the patdowns as it violates their religous rights or something to be touched in that potential fashion.....

But of course, we can't be profiling Muslim women. We can profile nuns, but not Muslim women. We are through the looking glass here.

Several years ago a Muslim woman in Florida filed suit to keep from being being required to unveil for her driver's license photo. And this bit of insanity actually made it to court. The state offered to take the photo in a private room, with only female employees in attendance. Not good enough. The obvious point was that wearing a mask sort of defeats the purpose of the photo. She lost, this time.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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i recall hearing that muslim women were going to get court ordered excusal from the patdowns as it violates their religous rights or something to be touched in that potential fashion.....

There is no way in hell that would fly (no pun intended). Fox News would have that on wall to wall. I'm sorry but if that's true, I have a SERIOUS issue with it.

 

[WeWantMore]

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There is no way in hell that would fly (no pun intended). Fox News would have that on wall to wall. I'm sorry but if that's true, I have a SERIOUS issue with it.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/heres-a-...ing-muslim-women-and-the-need-for-self-exams/

Sort of. I guess.

If Ingraham has that right, and CAIR is really advocating a self pat down, that's ridiculous.

 

[pardonme]

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No x-rays. X-rays are a completely different wavelength. These are much longer wavelengths IIRC.

There are two technologies in use, backscatter x-ray and millimeter wave technology. The backscatter are real x-rays, they are just done in a manner that concentrates on the skin.

 

[Old Pio]

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http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=6687

Here's more on CAIR's desires for "self pat downs." And even though Napolitano is said to be considering the request, I can't believe that even Senorita Incompetance would risk the massive sh*t storm that would result from her granting this exemption. Not to mention the galactic irony.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=6687

Here's more on CAIR's desires for "self pat downs." And even though Napolitano is said to be considering the request, I can't believe that even Senorita Incompetance would risk the massive sh*t storm that would result from her granting this exemption. Not to mention the galactic irony.

There is simply no way. You can't scream "PROFILING!!!!!!!!!!!" and then turn around and ask for special exemptions. I'd be absolutely outraged. A big **** you goes out to CAIR.

 

[Old Pio]

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There is simply no way. You can't scream "PROFILING!!!!!!!!!!!" and then turn around and ask for special exemptions. I'd be absolutely outraged. A big **** you goes out to CAIR.

In the AF we used to kid about the message from the Colonel to someone further down the chain of command: "Dear Captain Putz. Fark you. Strong message to follow."

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I mean, seriously. The idiots at CAIR should have no problem walking through the scanners. Nothing to be embarrassed about. Obviously they have balls the size of hondas if they are seriously asking for self pat downs while still holding a straight face about muslims getting randomly pulled aside.

 

[Old Pio]

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I mean, seriously. The idiots at CAIR should have no problem walking through the scanners. Nothing to be embarrassed about. Obviously they have balls the size of hondas if they are seriously asking for self pat downs while still holding a straight face about muslims getting randomly pulled aside.

Sure, it's obvious to you and to me, but I guarantee you there are people (some of whom probably post here) who would argue that "respecting someone else's religious traditions" trumps security concerns.

 

[jmh]

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I'm not sure what your point is here, except maybe "it's Bush's fault," or something. Perhaps you could be a bit more specific.

My point is that your post is about racial profiling, not about sexual assault, and your title is misleading.

 

[Old Pio]

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My point is that your post is about racial profiling, not about sexual assault, and your title is misleading.

Thanks for the review, but you're wrong. As are all liberal wimps who assume that actually looking for terrorists, as opposed to hassling tens of millions of innocent Americans without cause, automatically involves "racial profiling". And that the hassling of and taking nude photos of and feeling up of those Americans constitutes "security." I'm no lawyer, but putting your hands on someone else's genitals, without permission, is generally considered sexual assault. And, even if the title of the thread is misleading, the fact that you were able to work it out gives me confidence that everyone else will, too.

 

[Old Pio]

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Is anyone covering this in a non-inflammatory manner? They only seem to be talking to whiners in the media. Some of the coverage makes them look downright foolish. In the beginning they were interviewing a lot of people who were supportive of it and that didn't mind. This seems to be lost in all the flaming that sells TV. THis would make a great poll.

Also, what is the % of those that are getting the "double treatment"? COmpared to how many are flying I bet it is tiny.

The risk is the same except one guy getting scanned could prevent all the passengers being dead if they catch him.

You've got a pretty harsh definition of "whiner." How many breast cancer survivors do you know who wouldn't have a problem exposing their prosthesis, in public, in front of a bunch of strangers? Whiner? Is the father of the `14-year old wheelchair bound girl forced to have her crotch palpated a whiner? Really? Or how about the guy who got drenched in urine because of an over enthusiastic Barney Fife? That wouldn't bother you? He's a whiner? Shame on you.

 

[bronconick]

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If I remember right (probably not), what the Israelis do is pretty much unworkable for us more because of the difference of the scale of operations. They've got one major international airport, and have it locked down tighter than a nun's vagina, from cameras, to on site professional security (not dude's getting hired with no experience for $10 an hour), profiling, Mossad screening of almost everyone walking in the door, etc.

We've got dozens, if not hundreds of major airports that are full of both domestic and international flights.

Ah, here's some of it. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/travel/2013334586_webisraelsecurity03.html

 

[LynahFan]

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That's the point: you and others are looking at PREVIOUS attack methods. They've never repeated a method. They're always looking forward to NEW techniques to kill us. They've announced it publicly. So I guess by spending billions of dollars, and employing people who would otherwise be playing elves at Wal-Marts, we've caused the terrorists a little inconvenience by making them work out new attack plans. Not an even swap, IMO.

Well, I guess they assume we're smart enough to learn our lesson after an attack. You're advocating proving them wrong?

I guess we'll have to wait to see what your response is when they blow an airliner out of the sky using some method we're not screening for and we're still not looking for the people who actually carry out these attacks.

Which would be nowhere near as whiny as your rant about how incompetent our government is if a terrorist blew an airliner out of the sky using a method that has been used before....

 

[Old Pio]

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If I remember right (probably not), what the Israelis do is pretty much unworkable for us more because of the difference of the scale of operations. They've got one major international airport, and have it locked down tighter than a nun's vagina, from cameras, to on site professional security (not dude's getting hired with no experience for $10 an hour), profiling, Mossad screening of almost everyone walking in the door, etc.

We've got dozens, if not hundreds of major airports that are full of both domestic and international flights.

Ah, here's some of it. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/travel/2013334586_webisraelsecurity03.html

Absolutely. But these differences don't mean that we can't incorporate some of their techniques or at least explore the possibility. Or that using some of those techniques is automatically evil. As I say, we've hired 65 thousand people for TSA. Certainly Israel has only a tiny fraction of that number allegedly doing the same thing. Only the people working in "security" in Israel are actually reducing the liklihood of an attack. While the people doing it for TSA aren't. As I said earlier, based on my own experiences, most of these people aren't fit to be men's room attendants.

Perhaps we could consider major expansion of the 'trusted flyer" program. It should be possible to identify flyers who pose no realistic threat (almost everybody) and put their names in some sort of secure data base. Standards for acquiring the status of "trusted flyer" could be established (with the usual concerns by the usual pleaders) and those people could pass through security with little or no hassle. Bio-metrics could be used to verify the identity of these folks before they get on their planes. This could greatly reduce the number of people needing to be sceened.

 

[Old Pio]

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Well, I guess they assume we're smart enough to learn our lesson after an attack. You're advocating proving them wrong?


Which would be nowhere near as whiny as your rant about how incompetent our government is if a terrorist blew an airliner out of the sky using a method that has been used before....

I suppose at some point they'll run out of new ideas on how to kill us. But until then you prefer being re-active as opposed to pro-active? Really? Not to mention the fact that the billions we've spent and the tens of thousands we've hired, haven't accomplished a thing, except to make flying to grandma's house for Thanksgiving more and more like the Bataan death march. Another government triumph. You may think that treating Americans like criminals is the best way to defend ourselves from these savages, I don't.

 

[LynahFan]

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I suppose at some point they'll run out of new ideas on how to kill us. But until then you prefer being re-active as opposed to pro-active? Really?

1. I didn't say I prefer that and you know it.
2. Re-active and pro-active are not mutually exclusive. Re-active is the absolute minimum that we must do, but is clearly not sufficient.

I still predict that you would be one of the loudest voices of condemnation if a terror attack method were ever repeated. Hopefully, we never get to find out if I'm right.

 

[Old Pio]

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1. I didn't say I prefer that and you know it.
2. Re-active and pro-active are not mutually exclusive. Re-active is the absolute minimum that we must do, but is clearly not sufficient.

I still predict that you would be one of the loudest voices of condemnation if a terror attack method were ever repeated. Hopefully, we never get to find out if I'm right.

You've got a firm grasp of the obvious, Skippy. But why do you think I am interested in your prejudices and bigotry? But I'm sure we're all relieved to know you'd rather pass on a chance to say "told you so" if it involved hundreds of dead Americans. What a guy. Sleep soundly, there's very little chance the TSA will stop fondling grand mothers and taking nude photos of children anytime soon. So we'll be "protected."

 

[MaizeRage]

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You may think that treating Americans like criminals is the best way to defend ourselves from these savages, I don't.

Except your plan still treats many, many Americans like criminals. Only treating certain people like criminals based on their race isn't a step forward. It's a big step backwards.