Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
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Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
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Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Because to Barney Fife it felt suspicious. Maybe the poor lady didn't think to ask for it. Or maybe Barney Fife refused. Maybe Barney Fife should have suggested a private room. Or would that be too humane for your tastes? What did Barney always say: "got to nip it in the bud."
Because to Barney Fife it felt suspicious. Maybe the poor lady didn't think to ask for it. Or maybe Barney Fife refused. Maybe Barney Fife should have suggested a private room. Or would that be too humane for your tastes? What did Barney always say: "got to nip it in the bud."
unofan
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Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
The statistics say otherwise...under pre 9/11 security screening methods, planes were still what? 99.9999% safe? That seems pretty close to 100% to me.
My guess is the newer security screenings only add another couple 9's onto the end of that. But I'm sure that extra .000099 percent of safety is worth shredding of the Fourth Amendment even more.
The statistics say otherwise...under pre 9/11 security screening methods, planes were still what? 99.9999% safe? That seems pretty close to 100% to me.
My guess is the newer security screenings only add another couple 9's onto the end of that. But I'm sure that extra .000099 percent of safety is worth shredding of the Fourth Amendment even more.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Just keep chanting "racial profiling." Is that all you got? Pretty weak. But then, that's your standard, isn't it?
Just keep chanting "racial profiling." Is that all you got? Pretty weak. But then, that's your standard, isn't it?
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
What's unbelievable is youir evident willingness to put Americans at risk of being murdered by Muslim savages to avoid hurting people's feelings. Of course, not all people's feelings are worthy of being protected, only Muslim feelings. The feelings of the rest of us don't matter much.
As regards "happy holidays," I never implied or suggested "persecution." But when you're dealing with deeply held prejudices, it's sometimes possible to get it wrong.
What's unbelievable is youir evident willingness to put Americans at risk of being murdered by Muslim savages to avoid hurting people's feelings. Of course, not all people's feelings are worthy of being protected, only Muslim feelings. The feelings of the rest of us don't matter much.
As regards "happy holidays," I never implied or suggested "persecution." But when you're dealing with deeply held prejudices, it's sometimes possible to get it wrong.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
I'm not saying we shouldn't try. Israel DOES do it right.
Look, after 9/11, nobody is going to let someone hijack an aircraft. No way. Flight deck doors have been reinforced, passengers are ready to defend an aircraft if it comes to it.
We prohibit box cutters, but allow knitting needles as long as someone shows proficiency in knitting. We hand out cutlery in first class.
We prohibit liquid containers over 3 ounces...yet people could very easily team up and each bring the components of a dangerous bomb through the checkpoint, and combine it after the fact.
We prohibit firearms, yet we have thousands of Air Marshals packing heat, in addition to hundreds of Police Officers and the like with sidearms on board aircraft. You don't think these men and women (who stick out like sore thumbs by the way) couldn't be incapacitated on board?
What I'm trying to say is that no matter what we prohibit, if someone wants to blow up a plane in flight, we probably won't be able to stop them at the checkpoint. The measures now taken on board, such as the reinforced flight deck door, and willing and able passengers, can prevent hijackings and much more than that (see Richard Reid; the underwear bomber).
So why waste time taking away Suave shampoo, Snow Globes, and Nail Files?
We do need to follow Israel's procedures to an extent. Doing a better job profiling passengers, and assessing any threat they may pose. We already do this, there are thousands of TSA Behavior Detection Officers. I'm just saying it may not be feasible to do it to the level the Israelis do.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try. Israel DOES do it right.
Look, after 9/11, nobody is going to let someone hijack an aircraft. No way. Flight deck doors have been reinforced, passengers are ready to defend an aircraft if it comes to it.
We prohibit box cutters, but allow knitting needles as long as someone shows proficiency in knitting. We hand out cutlery in first class.
We prohibit liquid containers over 3 ounces...yet people could very easily team up and each bring the components of a dangerous bomb through the checkpoint, and combine it after the fact.
We prohibit firearms, yet we have thousands of Air Marshals packing heat, in addition to hundreds of Police Officers and the like with sidearms on board aircraft. You don't think these men and women (who stick out like sore thumbs by the way) couldn't be incapacitated on board?
What I'm trying to say is that no matter what we prohibit, if someone wants to blow up a plane in flight, we probably won't be able to stop them at the checkpoint. The measures now taken on board, such as the reinforced flight deck door, and willing and able passengers, can prevent hijackings and much more than that (see Richard Reid; the underwear bomber).
So why waste time taking away Suave shampoo, Snow Globes, and Nail Files?
We do need to follow Israel's procedures to an extent. Doing a better job profiling passengers, and assessing any threat they may pose. We already do this, there are thousands of TSA Behavior Detection Officers. I'm just saying it may not be feasible to do it to the level the Israelis do.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
How on earth did you manage to equate my clear preference to scan/search all passengers as a "willingness to put Americans at risk?" To me, it seems like NOT screening all passengers would entail more risk.
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What "plan" are you referring to? I haven't advocated any "plan." I have suggested we might want to study how another country, facing an infinitely larger threat from terrorists, protects its passengers. And you guys really ought to stop begging the question about "racial profiling," it's beginning to sound a little Jonestownish.
What "plan" are you referring to? I haven't advocated any "plan." I have suggested we might want to study how another country, facing an infinitely larger threat from terrorists, protects its passengers. And you guys really ought to stop begging the question about "racial profiling," it's beginning to sound a little Jonestownish.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
And you've presented exactly what evidence to show that the TSA has not, in fact, studied Israeli security procedures?
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Because the system we now employ does not reduce the liklihood of an attack and has, despite the billions we've spent on it, not found a single terrorist nor uncovered a single terrorist plot. Yet, the terrorists keep trying. Do you not understand the implications of the toner bombs? It means they're trying to figure out how to get bombs in the cargo holds of airplanes. And if they can do that, feeling up little girls won't be very helpful, will it?
Because the system we now employ does not reduce the liklihood of an attack and has, despite the billions we've spent on it, not found a single terrorist nor uncovered a single terrorist plot. Yet, the terrorists keep trying. Do you not understand the implications of the toner bombs? It means they're trying to figure out how to get bombs in the cargo holds of airplanes. And if they can do that, feeling up little girls won't be very helpful, will it?
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I assume they have. Having decided in advance that we wouldn't adopt any of their techniques because it would be "racial profiling." I guess what it might take to wake uip the American people will be a runway somewhere littered with a couple of hundred bodies. You know, like what we came this close to having a year ago Christmas, when the TSA's big "system worked" event resulted in the panty bomber incinerating his jewels.
I assume they have. Having decided in advance that we wouldn't adopt any of their techniques because it would be "racial profiling." I guess what it might take to wake uip the American people will be a runway somewhere littered with a couple of hundred bodies. You know, like what we came this close to having a year ago Christmas, when the TSA's big "system worked" event resulted in the panty bomber incinerating his jewels.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Typical b.s. Cute, well written and thought provoking, but still b.s.
With the exception of the numb-nuts we hire from shopping mall kiosks to be TSOs (that is not an exaggeration) and a couple politicals from the prior and current administrations, everyone at TSA knows this is all Security Theater. It's also pointless, intrusive, and laughable.
But many of the loudest critics are late to this party and were perfectly okay watching us turn into a wanna-be police state when they held the whip hand and were pretty sure the only innocents who were going to get groped (or imprisoned, or bombed) weren't... them. Their sudden conversion to the cause of civil liberties is kind of hard to take seriously.
And good luck telling them the wars they started have to be paid for with higher taxes. My God, man? Are you a Socialist?!
Typical b.s. Cute, well written and thought provoking, but still b.s.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Completely agree, on all points. You may remember in the early days after 9/11 some poor dude who was a detail man for Revlon (or similar company) was not allowed to fly because he had a sample case full of nail files, cuticle clippers and the like. It wasn't a matter of him bringing it in the cabin, he was trying to check it. He wondered if the dim bulbs thought he was going to give all the passengers manicures during the flight. He wound up having to rent a car and drive to his destination. The point? Acting like hysterical middle school girls, treating all Americans like criminals, and massively violating the 4th amendment by putting your hands in people's private areas with no probable cause does not reduce the likelihood of a terrorist attack one iota.
Conclusion? Either adandon this system entirely or find a way to imrpove it and actually try to identify terrorists. And in the early days it might have been possible to justify "security theatre" as "reassuring" passengers, we've gotten far away from that, haven't we?
Completely agree, on all points. You may remember in the early days after 9/11 some poor dude who was a detail man for Revlon (or similar company) was not allowed to fly because he had a sample case full of nail files, cuticle clippers and the like. It wasn't a matter of him bringing it in the cabin, he was trying to check it. He wondered if the dim bulbs thought he was going to give all the passengers manicures during the flight. He wound up having to rent a car and drive to his destination. The point? Acting like hysterical middle school girls, treating all Americans like criminals, and massively violating the 4th amendment by putting your hands in people's private areas with no probable cause does not reduce the likelihood of a terrorist attack one iota.
Conclusion? Either adandon this system entirely or find a way to imrpove it and actually try to identify terrorists. And in the early days it might have been possible to justify "security theatre" as "reassuring" passengers, we've gotten far away from that, haven't we?
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Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Oh my, shockingly pointless.
Oh my, shockingly pointless.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Because these "egalitarian" procedures you're so fond of don't do anything to reduce the liklihood of an attack and violate millions of people's rights. Apart from that, they're a great idea.
Because these "egalitarian" procedures you're so fond of don't do anything to reduce the liklihood of an attack and violate millions of people's rights. Apart from that, they're a great idea.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
I have no "plan." What you have are erroneous assumptions.
I have no "plan." What you have are erroneous assumptions.
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Wow, someone needs to learn how to multi-quote.
Forgive my naiveté, but couldn't the security situation be improved if we stopped giving people a reason to hate us by ****ing around in the Middle East?
Wow, someone needs to learn how to multi-quote.
Forgive my naiveté, but couldn't the security situation be improved if we stopped giving people a reason to hate us by ****ing around in the Middle East?
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
It's our fault. Got it.
If you're referring to me, I don't know how to multi quote, I usually feel like a computer retard around here.
It's our fault. Got it.
If you're referring to me, I don't know how to multi quote, I usually feel like a computer retard around here.
Foxton
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Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Move mouse over the "Multi-quote this message" button, and click your left mouse button. (While reading this please emphasize BUTTON to an extreme level, because I am mocking you)
You are, you're also a whole lot of other things.
Move mouse over the "Multi-quote this message" button, and click your left mouse button. (While reading this please emphasize BUTTON to an extreme level, because I am mocking you)
Re: Take a Stand Against Sexual Assault: Resist the TSA
Good grief. Go start a troll argument with somebody else. I never said anything of the sort.
edit: this whole thread reminds me of "The Jerk", we think they are trying to blow up airplanes, just like Navin thought he was shooting at the cans of oil. They aren't trying to blow up airplanes. "They hate these planes!!!"
They are trying to kill us and/or disrupt our way of life/economy. We're so worried they are trying to blow up airplanes they are likely to do something completely different. But we're so worried about coming up with the Sesame Street version of airport security we have completely lost site of the issue.
Good grief. Go start a troll argument with somebody else. I never said anything of the sort.
edit: this whole thread reminds me of "The Jerk", we think they are trying to blow up airplanes, just like Navin thought he was shooting at the cans of oil. They aren't trying to blow up airplanes. "They hate these planes!!!"
They are trying to kill us and/or disrupt our way of life/economy. We're so worried they are trying to blow up airplanes they are likely to do something completely different. But we're so worried about coming up with the Sesame Street version of airport security we have completely lost site of the issue.
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