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RIT used to play here.

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I seem to remember several posters complaining about the D3 tourney being set up with semis on Friday and Final on Staurday. I would take that anytime over the D1 setup! Semis on Thursday???
 
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I think the situation might just be a manifestation of a concept we're all familiar with but don't think a whole lot about: expanded, single elimination tournaments drawing from automatic berths are conducive to upsets, plain and simple. It's something we've seen dozens, if not hundreds of times in the NCAA basketball tournament - the hockey side of things sees somewhat fewer upsets due to two fewer rounds, and the relatively small total pool of teams in DI means that their upsets are mostly of the less exciting "good program has an off year but steps it up for the postseason" variety, rather than the more memorable brand provided by new faces.

With tourney participation now legitimately possible for a wider swath of teams, stories like those of Bemidji and RIT have inevitably followed, and in that sense, I think it's encouraging to DIII programs if their goal is competitive postseason play in DI. It's important to remember, however, that while tournaments like these breed excitement through early-round upsets, they rarely defy the status quo when it comes to champions; again drawing from basketball, there have been plenty of Valparaisos over the years, but only one Villanova. As such, I'd be pleased as punch if RIT continues their improbable run and takes home the title, but even if they do I fully expect it to be an aberration, and not a genuine shift in the DI power balance - that is, the upsets will continue, but the big boys will still ultimately take home the hardware.
 
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We were talking about scoring offense....and then they still went 3-4 in their last 7...not the kind of hockey to be playing going into that game. Yet they still showed great dominance at times in that game.

Perhaps I'll just be quiet and get myself another drink then :)
 
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UNH and Denver are not even in the top 10....and UNH is 36th on scoring defense......the way UNH played was beyond pathetic. Partially due to RIT's pressure, but UNH was just horrid.




Umm the puck was right there....the commentators were highly questioning the legitimacy of the "elbow" ....big open ice hit. Thats DI. I'd love to see some more replays of that, because I never saw an elbow come up, it looked as shoulder to shoulder as you could get.

You do need to see more replays of the hit because it was WAY after the puck had been poked away from McReynolds.
 
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2005-06 when they were DI independent, they were playing a split schedule with DIII and Atlantic Hockey teams. Oswego beat them and I was there.
I believe that was the last time they played a DIII program.

That was just because Ryan Scott was in Nets :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I think this thread has Remy the closet ever to admitting he was wrong :D

Derek man, come on I came down to EC for the Championship game to support you guys, can't you give us some love.

In the RIT thread on the D-I board, I have a two part morther of all posts that talks about the old D-III days and a lot of history. I talked about many of us RIT fans wondering if going to D-I was the right move. I remember though after a loss at Colgate Komey and I talking about how glad we are that we are D-I. RIT has really stepped up and its been a blast and the landscape of College hockey has really change. I believe a new rink and scholorships are in the foreseeable future.

And Remy your wrong, back in the day top D-III teams would be near the top of the Atlantic, but not today. Norwich and Oswego might finish 5th in the league, but I saw that Oswego team play. They were not better than RIT, Air Force, Scared Heart, and Mercyhurst. I dear say Canisius would take them 3 of 4 games. Especially with Niagara and Robert Morris in the league next year, there is a clear seperation between the AHA and D-III. This RIT team way more skilled than any I have seen since 98....
 
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I'm pretty sure Denver fans were looking forward to a matchup against either UNH and Cornell.

Who are these Denver fans you speak of? I had a hard time finding many in Minnesota for the Final Five and I counted about four or five in Albany at the Regionals.
 
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Who are these Denver fans you speak of? I had a hard time finding many in Minnesota for the Final Five and I counted about four or five in Albany at the Regionals.

Per a reliable source with the Times Union Center box office:

Denver returned 370 of their 400-ticket allotment for the regionals :cool:
 
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Per a reliable source with the Times Union Center box office:

Denver returned 370 of their 400-ticket allotment for the regionals :cool:

I thought Denver traveled well?:eek: :confused:

Also another factor that we haven't really talked about is RIT basically played two home games against Denver and UNH. Granted, it's not the Ritter and it wasn't as loud as the Ritter but that arena was complete for RIT in both games and they had a great turnout from the students packing that whole section.

I'd like to see what happens when RIT gets shipped out to Minnesota or Michigan for the tourney and see how they adapt to playing in front of a hostile crowd in an NCAA tournament game against the best teams in the country.

BTW Tom,

I wouldn't exactly say you were "cheering" for Elmira. You were there to appease your lady friend from Elmira:p

In light of RIT's next task I give you:

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Go Badgers!:cool:
 
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Again this takes nothing away from what this group of Tigers have and are doing, but I am still not sold. I am not ready to put RIT in the same breath as a DI powerhouse. Year in, year out I don't forsee RIT being a National Championship contender without bringing in "draft picks" and "scholarship players". It would not surprise me to see the Badgers blank RIT 6-0 or so. At times in the DU game the gap in talent level was clearly seen. The UNH game, yikes I think a few DIII teams could have beat UNH in that game. All in all if Denver doesn't get called for that "elbow", this talk isn't even going on.

RIT is not a DI powerhouse yet. But my opinion is that they are laying the foundation to get there. You generally have to win to get talent. Being able to show potential recruits that RIT CAN compete AND win some games in the NCAA tournament is a great tool. You have to start somewhere and this is a great way to do that. Continued success could very well lead to blue-chippers looking RIT's way.

As for the DU game - yes there were times that the talent level was seen, but DeMichiel came up big. You could possible also say that had DU gotten a PP and converted the score could have very well been 1-0. OR had RIT converted on a couple of their breakaways where they missed open nets it could have been 5-1 RIT. Funny how THAT hasn't been mentioned.

The UNH game - I think you are kidding yourself if you think a top DIII team could have handled playing UNH after playing a team like DU. The DIII team simply would not have the depth to last. Witness a couple years ago when RIT beat Minnesota in their tournament. Not 24 hours later, they had to play BC and gave up 5 goals in the 3rd to lose 6-0.

Will RIT be able to keep up with Wisconsin? Who knows. Coach Wilson and his crew hopefully learned a few things from Bemidji's run and what happened when they got to the Frozen Four. The way they have been playing, I would not write them off.
 
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They only have to go as far as D-II, don't they?

Yep, aside from a few sports (of which I'm pretty much positive hockey isn't one) DII has the same athletic scholarship quotas as DI - the difference between the two is pretty much entirely based on the level of competition a school wants to gear its athletics department toward. Actually, I think this was part of what brought about the DI moratorium: too many DII schools were cashing in on the revenue that moving up and serving as a whipping boy in big-money sports like football or basketball could generate for their programs as a whole. However, as someone pointed out in an earlier discussion of the Tigers, RIT has the size and financial standing to make a full move to DI once membership re-opens a legit option as well. Either way, the Tigers get their scholarships.
 
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RIT is not a DI powerhouse yet. But my opinion is that they are laying the foundation to get there. You generally have to win to get talent. Being able to show potential recruits that RIT CAN compete AND win some games in the NCAA tournament is a great tool. You have to start somewhere and this is a great way to do that. Continued success could very well lead to blue-chippers looking RIT's way.

As for the DU game - yes there were times that the talent level was seen, but DeMichiel came up big. You could possible also say that had DU gotten a PP and converted the score could have very well been 1-0. OR had RIT converted on a couple of their breakaways where they missed open nets it could have been 5-1 RIT. Funny how THAT hasn't been mentioned.

The UNH game - I think you are kidding yourself if you think a top DIII team could have handled playing UNH after playing a team like DU. The DIII team simply would not have the depth to last. Witness a couple years ago when RIT beat Minnesota in their tournament. Not 24 hours later, they had to play BC and gave up 5 goals in the 3rd to lose 6-0.

Will RIT be able to keep up with Wisconsin? Who knows. Coach Wilson and his crew hopefully learned a few things from Bemidji's run and what happened when they got to the Frozen Four. The way they have been playing, I would not write them off.

I see RIT winning the game like 2-1 or losing about 6-0. One or the other.
 
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I see RIT coming out a bit nervous and intimidated (long way from NY),and then settling down to lose by 3-4 goals.Overall it's a great season and will serve as a stepping stone for future success.
 
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I see RIT coming out a bit nervous and intimidated (long way from NY),and then settling down to lose by 3-4 goals.Overall it's a great season and will serve as a stepping stone for future success.

That I see as a worse case scenario - one that any DIII player would love to take part in.
 
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That I see as a worse case scenario - one that any DIII player would love to take part in.

There is no worst case scenario.

RIT could lose 10-1 and it wouldnt matter because they were there which is much more than I and probably many others thought they would ever achieve without having athletic scholarships.
 
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I'd like to see what happens when RIT gets shipped out to Minnesota or Michigan for the tourney and see how they adapt to playing in front of a hostile crowd in an NCAA tournament game against the best teams in the country
http://collegehockeystats.net/0708/boxes/mminrit1.d29 ?

Are they a new DI power? No. Are they respectable to pretty good? Yes. Could they be great? We'll find out soon enough.

Making it to the FF for DI is nothing to sneeze at. They aren't there by dumb luck or UNH scoring on their own net to protest the NCAA or something. They had a good year and are playing their best hockey at the right time, it's something that happens in this sport all the time.

If you want to argue the merits of rewarding the best team overall vs. rewarding the best team right now, have at it. But it's the same debate had whenever someone argues some slumping team wins the autobid from a conference, or a pool B team backing their way in like some claim elmira did this year. It has nothing to do with this particular situation, but more how you view the sport and what makes someone the 'better team'.

If you don't think a post season run like this really shows a team is that good, then you probably shouldn't put any stock into national championships, conference championships, or any kind of playoff format in any sport, and instead fall in line with the BCS (in one of its various forms anyway.)
 
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I see RIT coming out a bit nervous and intimidated (long way from NY),and then settling down to lose by 3-4 goals.Overall it's a great season and will serve as a stepping stone for future success.

I don't think RIT wil come out nervous or intimidated. As one_to_7 posted, the upperclassmen have played in some hostile places. Yes - those were the freshmen and sophomores that are now juniors and seniors on this team.

I think RIT will be refocussed after the layoff. They will need to play a near perfect game to beat the Badgers. But if they play to their potential, they will be dificult to beat.
 
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I don't think RIT wil come out nervous or intimidated. As one_to_7 posted, the upperclassmen have played in some hostile places. Yes - those were the freshmen and sophomores that are now juniors and seniors on this team.

I think RIT will be refocussed after the layoff. They will need to play a near perfect game to beat the Badgers. But if they play to their potential, they will be dificult to beat.

Let's hope the layoff doesn't put them to sleep.....
 
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