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RIT used to play here.

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joecct said:
The Michigan Land Grant (Morrill Act 0f 1862) College is Michigan State.
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In most instances (there are exceptions), when there is a University of Blank and a Blank State University, the State designation is the clue to which one is the land grant (Morill Act) school. The best clue is which school has an Agriculture College.
 
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komey1 said:
One this is for sure, the Wisconsin fans don't seem to be thinking the game will be easy. I'm sure the Badger players will be the same way.
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We thought the same thing about Denver and New Hampshire.


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Was going to make this specifically about Norwich, and post it in the Norwich Thread, but I decided it would be more appropriate to make it a blanket-DIII question, and this was the most appropriate place in that case.


For a DIII school, let's say Norwich for example, that is consistently competitive on the national level in the division and is considering making the jump to DI at the end of the moratorium, how does RIT's current run affect that decision process? I would imagine it would be a valid argument in favor of the switch, as it can be cited as evidence that a non-scholarship team CAN be nationally competitive within only a few years of making the jump.

What do you guys think? :confused:
 
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Since most top flight DIII programs severely bend the 'non-scolarship rule'with the players they employ any of these programs can be competitive within a very short time of making the jump ;especially if they utilize the RIT model.If you build it they will come.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
... how does RIT's current run affect that decision process...
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RIT belongs in conference that received an Automatic Berth, so got to be 1 of the 16 teams to compete in the 2010 NCAA Division I Tournament. That, IMO proves that of you can get into a conference that you can compete in; you are likely to get a chance at an automatic berth. RIT has taken it one step further, and defeated their first round opponent - Denver the tournament #2 seed, but I am not convinced that the fact that they had NO NHL draft picks versus Denver's 14, resulted in Denver not taking the game serious enough, and faced the consequences. Taking out New Hampshire, IMO was more impressive, but still not quite enough to convince me that they are the real deal - but their season isn't over yet! Bottom line, IMO, it is still too early to say what their “current run” means.
 
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norm1909 said:
RIT belongs in conference that received an Automatic Berth, so got to be 1 of the 16 teams to compete in the 2010 NCAA Division I Tournament. That, IMO proves that of you can get into a conference that you can compete in; you are likely to get a chance at an automatic berth. RIT has taken it one step further, and defeated their first round opponent - Denver the tournament #2 seed, but I am not convinced that the fact that they had NO NHL draft picks versus Denver's 14, resulted in Denver not taking the game serious enough, and faced the consequences. Taking out New Hampshire, IMO was more impressive, but still not quite enough to convince me that they are the real deal - but their season isn't over yet! Bottom line, IMO, it is still too early to say what their “current run” means.
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I agree.

Everything they have accomplished this season is certainly impressive and more than legitimizes their move up to D-I.

However, I'd like to see sustained success before I'll jump on ship that anyone can make the D-III to D-I jump without scholarships and be successful.

RIT seems to have found a solid recruiting pitch that is working. They have a lot going for them being located in a big city. How many D-I teams are in a city the size of Rochester? It's a very large school and a very good academic school for kids looking to get into technology.

Impressive? No doubt about it.

But I'd still like to see how the next five years will go given everyone knows who RIT is now and they'll have a bit of a target on their back to teams even outside the Atlantic Hockey league now.

I think the biggest thing this proved was Western hockey still sucks:cool: :D
 
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I think their 'current run' has proven enough already.Look at the overall accomplishments of most of the DI teams including the Bentleys and the AICs in DI.
 
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valliant defender said:
I think their 'current run' has proven enough already.Look at the overall accomplishments of most of the DI teams including the Bentleys and the AICs in DI.
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Their 'current run' certainly has proven that a DIII school that is "consistently competitive on the national level in their division" can quickly become competitive in the Atlantic Hockey Conference. Can they keep going? I sincerely am hoping so :cool: , but I won’t be putting my money on them :(
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I agree.

Everything they have accomplished this season is certainly impressive and more than legitimizes their move up to D-I.

However, I'd like to see sustained success before I'll jump on ship that anyone can make the D-III to D-I jump without scholarships and be successful.

RIT seems to have found a solid recruiting pitch that is working. They have a lot going for them being located in a big city. How many D-I teams are in a city the size of Rochester? It's a very large school and a very good academic school for kids looking to get into technology.

Impressive? No doubt about it.

But I'd still like to see how the next five years will go given everyone knows who RIT is now and they'll have a bit of a target on their back to teams even outside the Atlantic Hockey league now.

I think the biggest thing this proved was Western hockey still sucks:cool: :D
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A-Men brother A-Men....

Again this takes nothing away from what this group of Tigers have and are doing, but I am still not sold. I am not ready to put RIT in the same breath as a DI powerhouse. Year in, year out I don't forsee RIT being a National Championship contender without bringing in "draft picks" and "scholarship players". It would not surprise me to see the Badgers blank RIT 6-0 or so. At times in the DU game the gap in talent level was clearly seen. The UNH game, yikes I think a few DIII teams could have beat UNH in that game. All in all if Denver doesn't get called for that "elbow", this talk isn't even going on.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I agree.

Everything they have accomplished this season is certainly impressive and more than legitimizes their move up to D-I.

However, I'd like to see sustained success before I'll jump on ship that anyone can make the D-III to D-I jump without scholarships and be successful.

RIT seems to have found a solid recruiting pitch that is working. They have a lot going for them being located in a big city. How many D-I teams are in a city the size of Rochester? It's a very large school and a very good academic school for kids looking to get into technology.

Impressive? No doubt about it.

But I'd still like to see how the next five years will go given everyone knows who RIT is now and they'll have a bit of a target on their back to teams even outside the Atlantic Hockey league now.
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Prez, you hit the nail right on the head. This post season has been a surreal ride. A frozen four with Miami, BC, UW, and RIT? I get chills when I realize it's really happening. I don't expect that they will have repeat trips to the FF, but I do see them continuing to challenging for the AHA autobid on a yearly basis. A one shot run is not sucess, but not returning to the FF on a yearly basis does not mean failure either. That's part of the problem with some of the elite programs out there, a year without a Frozen Four is to be forgotten. But RIT doesn't want to be an NMU that wins a national championship and then disappears from the NCAAs for a decade or more.

There is good and bad in this run. The good - We have the attention of the hockey world. The bad - We have the attention of the hockey world. No more sneaking up on anyone. Whether it be RIT or anyone else from Atlantic Hockey. Three first round victories in five years followed up by a FF trip kind of says "don't take these guys lightly". Starting next year it will be more difficult for RIT to repeat because the AHA will be getting tougher. The past 3 years its really been RIT, Air Force, and Mercyhurst and whoever got hot. Next year Niagara and Bobby Mo come on board and the group at the top gets a little bigger, though Robert Morris may fall into the second group. They obviously can compete, having taken both games of a road series from Miami in January. Until the bottom of the league elevates their commitment and improves it will be tough to impossible for Atlantic hockey to put more than the autobid into the NCAAs. Tough to get your PWR high enough when the bottom half of the league is an anchor dragging you down.

Given the track record of RIT in the transition process I believe they will parlay this into positive things. One thing about RIT is they they seldom pass up an opportunity to take advantage of resources, and this run is one heck of a resource to draw on. Sure should help with name recognition among recruits. The institutional support is definitely there, and I believe the program has it's sight set higher than the AHA. There could be setbacks though. If Ohio State comes in with buckets of money, or BGSU plays the alum card and lures Wilson away. That would hurt a lot. I don't even want to think about that....

As an aside, I lived in Rochester and listened on WITR when RIT won the DII championship (against Bemidji) in 1983, and was lucky enough to be in Schenectady to see them again beat Bemidji for the DIII championship at Union in 1985. I was ecstatic to be in the arena this past weekend to see them earn their ticket to Detroit with fantastic wins over two great and more talented teams. Thing of it is, I am as proud of the DIII and DII championships as I am of these wins. Being able to follow your team when they succeed is so very special, whether it is DI, DII, DIII, Club, or High School. None of them are any better than the others. I know you know that Prez, you cherish OSUs national championship and ECs win over Manhattanville in the ECAC-W playoffs a few years ago. And PSUChamps2001 I know you relish in Plattsburghs Championships and the fact that the cardinals "owned" RIT in the playoffs. Heck the one positive I saw when the Tigers first moved to DI was the fact that they wouldn't have to face PSU again.:)

I'm going into the FF weekend the same way I went into the Regional in Albany. I just hope they don't get Blown out and embarassed. Heck, it worked before and I'm sticking with it. My mind says they don't have a chance, but the heart on the other hand......

Man, this is a lot longer than it started out to be. :) :)
 
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XCTiger said:
I'm going into the FF weekend the same way I went into the Regional in Albany. I just hope they don't get Blown out and embarassed. Heck, it worked before and I'm sticking with it. My mind says they don't have a chance, but the heart on the other hand......

Man, this is a lot longer than it started out to be. :) :)
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I am right with you on this. I am hoping they don't get blown out, but I will still be pushing for RIT all the way. Like I said, you have to admire to will and heart the Tigers are putting out there. I know I deleted the rest of your post, but very well rounded post.

The one thing that I think these two past wins do is give a false sense of superiority. Yes I hope RIT can go and prove me wrong, but I just don't see it happening.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
The UNH game, yikes I think a few DIII teams could have beat UNH in that game.
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Maybe if they played totally out of their minds and the goalie put up 60+ saves. RIT outshot UNH, one of the highest-scoring teams in D-I, and held a Hobey Hat-tricker to zero goals. Big difference!


All in all if Denver doesn't get called for that "elbow", this talk isn't even going on.
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Nonsense; that was interference if it wasn't an elbow.


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LtPowers said:
Maybe if they played totally out of their minds and the goalie put up 60+ saves. RIT outshot UNH, one of the highest-scoring teams in D-I, and held a Hobey Hat-tricker to zero goals. Big difference!
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UNH and Denver are not even in the top 10....and UNH is 36th on scoring defense......the way UNH played was beyond pathetic. Partially due to RIT's pressure, but UNH was just horrid.


LtPowers said:
Nonsense; that was interference if it wasn't an elbow.
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Umm the puck was right there....the commentators were highly questioning the legitimacy of the "elbow" ....big open ice hit. Thats DI. I'd love to see some more replays of that, because I never saw an elbow come up, it looked as shoulder to shoulder as you could get.
 
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Matthew Webb said:
Heading into the tournament, Denver was ranked second in both the USCHO poll and the PWR.
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We were talking about scoring offense....and then they still went 3-4 in their last 7...not the kind of hockey to be playing going into that game. Yet they still showed great dominance at times in that game.
 
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