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>>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
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There was plenty of talk about the RPI->HEA movement last off-season. The arguments that each of the three major players have are: history (RPI), lots of administrative support / new arena / up-and-coming team (Quinnipiac), big name school (UConn). The arguments against each of those teams are: currently struggling / already denied a HEA move twice / D-III school / lots of ECAC rivalries (RPI), new arena is still small / no history / has done nothing of significance within the ECAC (Quinnipiac), poor team / no scholarships / terrible arena (UConn). Somehow, Holy Cross keeps getting thrown in the mix.
RIT's women's team is going to be a weak sister no matter which conference they play in for the first couple years after making the jump. With perennial also-rans of Union (who is not grandfathered into giving scholarships) and Brown (and recently Yale) in the ECAC, there's little doubt in my mind that RIT could be competing for and winning a spot in the ECAC playoffs soon.
Holy Cross was not and is not a good fit for the ECAC. They are a good fit academically, but their lack of a women's hockey team, zero fan support, and zero administrative support does not make them a good fit for the ECAC.
There was plenty of talk about the RPI->HEA movement last off-season. The arguments that each of the three major players have are: history (RPI), lots of administrative support / new arena / up-and-coming team (Quinnipiac), big name school (UConn). The arguments against each of those teams are: currently struggling / already denied a HEA move twice / D-III school / lots of ECAC rivalries (RPI), new arena is still small / no history / has done nothing of significance within the ECAC (Quinnipiac), poor team / no scholarships / terrible arena (UConn). Somehow, Holy Cross keeps getting thrown in the mix.
This is the scenario that most RPI fans are looking to avoid. If the Ivies leave the ECAC (doubtful proposition, but possible), then the ECAC will move from the mid-tier position that it currently has to a low-tier position, just like the AHA. In your scenario, you are also leaving out Quinnipiac and the teams that are currently disgruntled with the cost-containment nature of the AHA (the Western pod). There would certainly be quite a shakeup if the Ivies decide to split.
One of the most frequently tossed around new travel partner setups would be RIT / Cornell; Colgate / Union. If Quinnipiac leaves, instead of RPI, then you need to do a little additional shaking, putting Princeton / Yale; Brown / Harvard; RPI / Dartmouth together. That means that SLU / CCT was the only travel partner duo not touched, but it leaves fairly reasonable travel situations all around.
RIT's women's team is going to be a weak sister no matter which conference they play in for the first couple years after making the jump. With perennial also-rans of Union (who is not grandfathered into giving scholarships) and Brown (and recently Yale) in the ECAC, there's little doubt in my mind that RIT could be competing for and winning a spot in the ECAC playoffs soon.
Hux
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Ah, Holy Cross has a women's team, and a very good one at that. Unfortunately, they are treated as a DIII team by the administration.
Ah, Holy Cross has a women's team, and a very good one at that. Unfortunately, they are treated as a DIII team by the administration.
PrezdeJohnson09
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Let's be ease up a bit here. Holy Cross is a classified as Division I team by the NCAA and competes in an entirely D-III league.
Holy Cross is a decent D-III team but they don't stack up the cream of the crop D-III teams at all and they benefit from beating up on a creampuff ECAC East schedule outside of Norwich.
Saint Anselm smoked Holy Cross twice this year.
Let's be ease up a bit here. Holy Cross is a classified as Division I team by the NCAA and competes in an entirely D-III league.
Holy Cross is a decent D-III team but they don't stack up the cream of the crop D-III teams at all and they benefit from beating up on a creampuff ECAC East schedule outside of Norwich.
Saint Anselm smoked Holy Cross twice this year.
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SportsZone looks back at how we got where we are now. =) Great recaps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJXV-xMVRlI
Powers &8^]
SportsZone looks back at how we got where we are now. =) Great recaps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJXV-xMVRlI
Powers &8^]
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Looks like we aren't the only ones going D1 http://www.uscho.com/2012/05/02/vermont-taps-amhersts-plumer-as-new-womens-coach/
Looks like we aren't the only ones going D1 http://www.uscho.com/2012/05/02/vermont-taps-amhersts-plumer-as-new-womens-coach/
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Schedule posted on CHA's site: http://www.chawomenshockey.com/schedules/2012-13?team=RIT
4 games each against conference opponents (which we knew), and then 2 at Sacred Heart and they come to Ritter for 2 more, Princeton and Yale come to Ritter, 1 at Colgate and then Colgate comes to us later in the season, 2 each at Brown, North Dakota, and Ohio State. We also have an exhibition against Oakville...not a bad schedule.
Schedule posted on CHA's site: http://www.chawomenshockey.com/schedules/2012-13?team=RIT
4 games each against conference opponents (which we knew), and then 2 at Sacred Heart and they come to Ritter for 2 more, Princeton and Yale come to Ritter, 1 at Colgate and then Colgate comes to us later in the season, 2 each at Brown, North Dakota, and Ohio State. We also have an exhibition against Oakville...not a bad schedule.
PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Add Elmira's Greg Fargo to that to as he is the new head coach at Colgate.
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Well, if they sweep those 12 games they will have 15 or 16 wins.
Well, if they sweep those 12 games they will have 15 or 16 wins.
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It's better than playing Chatham, Cortland, Buffalo St., or Potsdam every year.
Penn St and Lindenwood are both scholarship schools so their transition should be short. LU has already had a year of D1 and Penn St is bringing in a bunch of D1 recruits that should be able to compete. I can't wait to see some new teams in Rochester next year.
It's better than playing Chatham, Cortland, Buffalo St., or Potsdam every year.
Penn St and Lindenwood are both scholarship schools so their transition should be short. LU has already had a year of D1 and Penn St is bringing in a bunch of D1 recruits that should be able to compete. I can't wait to see some new teams in Rochester next year.
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I agree about the Chatham part. My main point relates to the likelihood that things will seem very different next year when they play the 26 games against established D-1 teams, including the games against teams which were not particularly successful this year. My earlier guess of 3 or 4 wins against real D-1 teams might be overly optimistic. These comments are in no way intended as a knock against the team; they are simply based on many years of watching hockey at the D-3 and D-1 levels and observing the difficulty involved in jumping from D-3 to D-1. I am not for or against RIT, and I know the men's team has navigated the same transition quite successfully. I also suspect that a fair number of current players will be in for a surprise in terms of reduced playing time (or none at all) and much more modest personal statistics. i do wish them good luck.
I agree about the Chatham part. My main point relates to the likelihood that things will seem very different next year when they play the 26 games against established D-1 teams, including the games against teams which were not particularly successful this year. My earlier guess of 3 or 4 wins against real D-1 teams might be overly optimistic. These comments are in no way intended as a knock against the team; they are simply based on many years of watching hockey at the D-3 and D-1 levels and observing the difficulty involved in jumping from D-3 to D-1. I am not for or against RIT, and I know the men's team has navigated the same transition quite successfully. I also suspect that a fair number of current players will be in for a surprise in terms of reduced playing time (or none at all) and much more modest personal statistics. i do wish them good luck.
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I feel RIT will be in good shape. It looks like they don't lose much from a very good team. Yes D3 but winning is winning and makes you better. I feel they will be ahead of Lindenwood because of this. Coach knows his team and their strengths. Players are familiar with each other etc. I see them being at or over 500 and will upset a few. Good luck.
I feel RIT will be in good shape. It looks like they don't lose much from a very good team. Yes D3 but winning is winning and makes you better. I feel they will be ahead of Lindenwood because of this. Coach knows his team and their strengths. Players are familiar with each other etc. I see them being at or over 500 and will upset a few. Good luck.
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This is the part I'm most excited about. I can't wait to see what the gap is between D1 and a high level D3 team. There's no question that RIT finished at the top of D3 and they don't lose any impact players. I'm not going to hold my breathe when they play teams like Mercyhurst, North Dakota or Ohio State, those teams have established themselves as top tier D1 teams.
Opening up with Mercyhurst will show RIT where they need to get to and set the bar for the rest of the season. But that's why they play the games!
And because RIT didn't lose any of their top scorers, there shouldn't be any pressure on the younger players to score right from the beginning. Something that Penn State and Lindenwood will have to rely on for a couple years.
This is the part I'm most excited about. I can't wait to see what the gap is between D1 and a high level D3 team. There's no question that RIT finished at the top of D3 and they don't lose any impact players. I'm not going to hold my breathe when they play teams like Mercyhurst, North Dakota or Ohio State, those teams have established themselves as top tier D1 teams.
Opening up with Mercyhurst will show RIT where they need to get to and set the bar for the rest of the season. But that's why they play the games!
And because RIT didn't lose any of their top scorers, there shouldn't be any pressure on the younger players to score right from the beginning. Something that Penn State and Lindenwood will have to rely on for a couple years.
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I am going way out on a limb and say RIT will be very competitive against the new teams right off the bat. Can't wait to see the first CHA games, particularly against Penn State and Lindenwood. It will be a very interesting measure to see if great D3 team chemistry beats brand new D1 rookie talent or a second year D1 team. I give RIT the edge.
I am going way out on a limb and say RIT will be very competitive against the new teams right off the bat. Can't wait to see the first CHA games, particularly against Penn State and Lindenwood. It will be a very interesting measure to see if great D3 team chemistry beats brand new D1 rookie talent or a second year D1 team. I give RIT the edge.
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500 hundred is unlikely. Lets do the math and break this down.
The fact they play 4 games vs Penn, 4 games vs Lindenwood and 4 games vs Sacred Heart will help them to produce a reasonable record. it would be a stretch for them to win more than 4 of the other 22 games against established D1 teams. If you break down the best scenario, you come up with 4 wins in 22 games, 4 wins vs. Sacred Heart and 4 wins in 8 games vs. Penn & Lindenwood. This adds up 12 wins in 34 games. If they want to get to 500 they would need to find another 5 wins or 3 wins and 4 ties. That would be a real stretch IMHO.
Be interesting to see in February how it works out.
Having said all that, It is a good approach to have those 12 winnable games on the schedule for a new D1 entrant. Same can be said for Penn and Lindenwood. All three teams have a chance for some early success with schedule taylored right for them. A good way to build a new D1 program.
500 hundred is unlikely. Lets do the math and break this down.
The fact they play 4 games vs Penn, 4 games vs Lindenwood and 4 games vs Sacred Heart will help them to produce a reasonable record. it would be a stretch for them to win more than 4 of the other 22 games against established D1 teams. If you break down the best scenario, you come up with 4 wins in 22 games, 4 wins vs. Sacred Heart and 4 wins in 8 games vs. Penn & Lindenwood. This adds up 12 wins in 34 games. If they want to get to 500 they would need to find another 5 wins or 3 wins and 4 ties. That would be a real stretch IMHO.
Be interesting to see in February how it works out.
Having said all that, It is a good approach to have those 12 winnable games on the schedule for a new D1 entrant. Same can be said for Penn and Lindenwood. All three teams have a chance for some early success with schedule taylored right for them. A good way to build a new D1 program.
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UND would be a huge upset. But I do feel MU, OSU, SYR teams that lost quite a bit could be upset. RIT returns all their scoring and if they have good goalies 4-5 wins are very possible
UND would be a huge upset. But I do feel MU, OSU, SYR teams that lost quite a bit could be upset. RIT returns all their scoring and if they have good goalies 4-5 wins are very possible