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Osama bin Laden Declared Dead
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
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Interesting (and weirdly translated) story on Muslims in India divided over offering prayers for OBL. Bonus point for use of the word "liquidated."
Interesting (and weirdly translated) story on Muslims in India divided over offering prayers for OBL. Bonus point for use of the word "liquidated."
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It was a big day for me professionally when I got to use the word "beastiality" on the air multiple times. A big national story and no alternative word would do.
Every time I read/see a story like this I'm reminded of "rage boy," that Muslim dude who showed up in the front row of a bunch of demonstrations. It's very hard to take these people (demonstrators) seriously. My guess is some "imam" someplace could get a yowling mob to demonstrate against cocoa puffs.
It was a big day for me professionally when I got to use the word "beastiality" on the air multiple times. A big national story and no alternative word would do.
Every time I read/see a story like this I'm reminded of "rage boy," that Muslim dude who showed up in the front row of a bunch of demonstrations. It's very hard to take these people (demonstrators) seriously. My guess is some "imam" someplace could get a yowling mob to demonstrate against cocoa puffs.
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WeWantMore
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Kettle Medallion
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So he's dyeing his hair to appear healthy and powerful, and watching himself on TV to make sure he looks good - talk about narcissism.
So he's dyeing his hair to appear healthy and powerful, and watching himself on TV to make sure he looks good - talk about narcissism.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
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I had seen this earlier... I wondered what the point was as people in the area will probably use them for propaganda use... I think its unlikely that if there is some DRM variant that you couldn't take it out so I don't think you could track the use of the video... I've seen some comments that maybe Obama is trying to frame-shift the efforts in the war against Islamic fundamentalism (yes, they'll never call it that... yes, that's what it really is).... to what I'm not sure... but that being said, I have no problem with the release... 5-10 years from now. Whatever they get, should be in classes and courses on propaganda. I remember seeing an article round-about 9/11 that some of the press for some paper was watching some of the videos and some of them were so slick that the staff found themselves humming the music. These things should find their way into college courses for sure.
I had seen this earlier... I wondered what the point was as people in the area will probably use them for propaganda use... I think its unlikely that if there is some DRM variant that you couldn't take it out so I don't think you could track the use of the video... I've seen some comments that maybe Obama is trying to frame-shift the efforts in the war against Islamic fundamentalism (yes, they'll never call it that... yes, that's what it really is).... to what I'm not sure... but that being said, I have no problem with the release... 5-10 years from now. Whatever they get, should be in classes and courses on propaganda. I remember seeing an article round-about 9/11 that some of the press for some paper was watching some of the videos and some of them were so slick that the staff found themselves humming the music. These things should find their way into college courses for sure.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
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I think he knows his audience. Look at Qadaffi... he did something similar over the years... plastic surgeries, dye jobs, etc... Islamic/Arab culture tends to respect power. An old man does not project that nearly as well.
I think he knows his audience. Look at Qadaffi... he did something similar over the years... plastic surgeries, dye jobs, etc... Islamic/Arab culture tends to respect power. An old man does not project that nearly as well.
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Whereas living in a toilet doesn't affect his power projection.
And it turns out we're using dogs in combat more than ever. Some extremely cool pics in this article.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/05/04/war_dog
Whereas living in a toilet doesn't affect his power projection.
And it turns out we're using dogs in combat more than ever. Some extremely cool pics in this article.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/05/04/war_dog
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TV is powerful. Remember Nixon's "melting face?" And I can't remember who said it, if it was a direct quote, but do you think FDR would be elected today, given he was in a wheelchair?
TV is powerful. Remember Nixon's "melting face?" And I can't remember who said it, if it was a direct quote, but do you think FDR would be elected today, given he was in a wheelchair?
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You may recall there was an anti-Spiro Agnew spot. 30 seconds of his name in large print on screen, with a guy laughing in the background. Doubtful anyone could get away with that now.
You may recall there was an anti-Spiro Agnew spot. 30 seconds of his name in large print on screen, with a guy laughing in the background. Doubtful anyone could get away with that now.
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That I don't recall, as I wasn't old enough (born in '75). The presidential references I made I found out because of the staying power of those references. I do agree that the mudslinging was rather personal back in the day (unlike the general issue-attacking that goes on today).
That I don't recall, as I wasn't old enough (born in '75). The presidential references I made I found out because of the staying power of those references. I do agree that the mudslinging was rather personal back in the day (unlike the general issue-attacking that goes on today).
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Here's the Agnew spot. In '68 he was an up and coming governor of Maryland. We only learned of his reluctance to pay his taxes later. Although failure to pay didn't seem to hurt Harold Washington. He didn't pay for five consecutive years, and his birthday was April 15th.
Anyway, here's the spot. It seems like they were laughing at his lack of experience and his name, which is what wouldn't fly these days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VvoOswyHB8&feature=grec_index
Here's the Agnew spot. In '68 he was an up and coming governor of Maryland. We only learned of his reluctance to pay his taxes later. Although failure to pay didn't seem to hurt Harold Washington. He didn't pay for five consecutive years, and his birthday was April 15th.
Anyway, here's the spot. It seems like they were laughing at his lack of experience and his name, which is what wouldn't fly these days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VvoOswyHB8&feature=grec_index
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That definitely is aggressive, without necessarily taking a direct shot. Wow. Yep, wouldn't fly nowadays.
That definitely is aggressive, without necessarily taking a direct shot. Wow. Yep, wouldn't fly nowadays.
Foxton
Banned
FueledByRamen
Cleanup on Aisle 12, please
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Slap... I hate MN hockey more than pretty much anything. Goldy is still a buck-toothed outcast... At the same time, pretty sure I want to give you the most heterosexual bro-hug ever. It is absolutely ridiculous how politicized each and every national "event" has become. Catching OBL has been a long time (and multiple presidencies) coming. Can't we all just recognize that and rejoice/enjoy/endure as a country? Personally, lets NOT release the photos, just show them to any sitting senator/house representative, and two immediate members from each 9/11 victims family. Pio, I like to think of myself as conservative, but thanks to you, I place myself squarely in the independent camp. Please refit your tinfoil hat as necessary.
F--- Europe. Let's spend Pakistan's foreign aid (or at least 10% of it) on an international relations campaign, and spend the other 90% of it on the debt service.
Slap... I hate MN hockey more than pretty much anything. Goldy is still a buck-toothed outcast... At the same time, pretty sure I want to give you the most heterosexual bro-hug ever. It is absolutely ridiculous how politicized each and every national "event" has become. Catching OBL has been a long time (and multiple presidencies) coming. Can't we all just recognize that and rejoice/enjoy/endure as a country? Personally, lets NOT release the photos, just show them to any sitting senator/house representative, and two immediate members from each 9/11 victims family. Pio, I like to think of myself as conservative, but thanks to you, I place myself squarely in the independent camp. Please refit your tinfoil hat as necessary.
F--- Europe. Let's spend Pakistan's foreign aid (or at least 10% of it) on an international relations campaign, and spend the other 90% of it on the debt service.
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A man of his most recent conviction. And one who evidently doesn't know that the phrase "tin foil hat" generally refers to people who advance conspiracy theories, which I do not. You think Field Marshall Obama hasn't and isn't politicizing this event, I think he has and is. That makes me crazy and you well informed. Well, that's one interpretation.
A man of his most recent conviction. And one who evidently doesn't know that the phrase "tin foil hat" generally refers to people who advance conspiracy theories, which I do not. You think Field Marshall Obama hasn't and isn't politicizing this event, I think he has and is. That makes me crazy and you well informed. Well, that's one interpretation.
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You seriously think what we've seen is politicizing?
Hell, for most of the past 10 years, terrorism/defense was the only sort of politicizing that the GOP was any good at, and they did it constantly. We haven't started to see that level of politicizing from Obama.
Though I'll grant you -- it's still early.
You seriously think what we've seen is politicizing?
Hell, for most of the past 10 years, terrorism/defense was the only sort of politicizing that the GOP was any good at, and they did it constantly. We haven't started to see that level of politicizing from Obama.
Though I'll grant you -- it's still early.
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"It's Bush's fault" or "Bush was worse." Blah, blah, blah. Give the Field Marshall time, he's playing catchup. You say Republicans politicized terrorism/defense. I say Democrats, and particularly the Field Marshall, downplayed the significance of these concerns to please their uber left wing. Look at the multiple promises candidate Obama made and President Obama has vacated (closing Gitmo, etc). It would be nice if the Field Marshall and his AG would drop the "investigations" of terrorist interrogators (who have already been investigated and cleared) who may have uncovered the information that led to OBL's death. Prosecuting them would be pretty ironic, no?
"It's Bush's fault" or "Bush was worse." Blah, blah, blah. Give the Field Marshall time, he's playing catchup. You say Republicans politicized terrorism/defense. I say Democrats, and particularly the Field Marshall, downplayed the significance of these concerns to please their uber left wing. Look at the multiple promises candidate Obama made and President Obama has vacated (closing Gitmo, etc). It would be nice if the Field Marshall and his AG would drop the "investigations" of terrorist interrogators (who have already been investigated and cleared) who may have uncovered the information that led to OBL's death. Prosecuting them would be pretty ironic, no?
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I dont want to get into this too much, but wasn't it Bush who said Osama is "in a cave and is in no way runiing Al- Queda." And, I believe it was John McCain who said that he wouldnt violate Pakistan's boarders and go in, if there was evidence OBL was there?
I dont want to get into this too much, but wasn't it Bush who said Osama is "in a cave and is in no way runiing Al- Queda." And, I believe it was John McCain who said that he wouldnt violate Pakistan's boarders and go in, if there was evidence OBL was there?
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I'm glad you "don't want to get into this." The Field Marshall said the surge in Iraq was a failure and now is taking credit for its success. During WWII we made an enormous effort to convince Hitler that we were going to land at Pas de Calais instead of Normandy. Lies? Yes. Under the circumstances, justifiable, no? I have no idea what McCain's thinking was, but it's possible he didn't want to announce, in advance, our intentions to violate Pakistani air space. And when did we become certain that OBL WAS in Abbotobad? Did McCain know that? Hindsight is always 20/20. Same for Bush. What did he know, and when did he know it?
I just find it humerous that Dems and libs who had collective heart failure when Bush put on his little flight suit and landed on a carrier now think the Field Marshall's sudden, ostentatious concern for the families and victims of 9/11 is as pure as the driven snow, with no thought whatsoever given to politics.
I'm glad you "don't want to get into this." The Field Marshall said the surge in Iraq was a failure and now is taking credit for its success. During WWII we made an enormous effort to convince Hitler that we were going to land at Pas de Calais instead of Normandy. Lies? Yes. Under the circumstances, justifiable, no? I have no idea what McCain's thinking was, but it's possible he didn't want to announce, in advance, our intentions to violate Pakistani air space. And when did we become certain that OBL WAS in Abbotobad? Did McCain know that? Hindsight is always 20/20. Same for Bush. What did he know, and when did he know it?
I just find it humerous that Dems and libs who had collective heart failure when Bush put on his little flight suit and landed on a carrier now think the Field Marshall's sudden, ostentatious concern for the families and victims of 9/11 is as pure as the driven snow, with no thought whatsoever given to politics.
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