Osama bin Laden Declared Dead

[Old Pio]

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Angela Merkel, criminal.




Seriously, can we please stop pretending we care what Europe thinks of us now?

Somewhere, way in the back of her head, Angela's missing the old days, just a little." *sound of door being kicked in* "Herr Uthmann, come with us."

 

[Old Pio]

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Yeah, I just don't see the problem with correcting the details. When the story first broke, I was flipping channels trying to get info before Obama went on, and Fox was reporting OBL was killed a week ago. The point isn't Fox is idiots. The point is the story was tough to nail down, as you might expect over a secret, covert mission, for a few days. A very good point is how much of the info that turned out to be bad was fed by the Admin, and how much was pure speculation on the media's part that the Admin had to bat down? This reminds me a lot of the Jessica Lynch story. First she went down fighting, then eventually she herself corrected the narrative a week or so later. Look, in war things get confused and the reporting is no different. Old Pio, you seem to be implying deceit on the part of Obama, which I don't get since if he wanted to put forward a made up version of events he most likely could get away with it as the SEAL's wouldn't talk, and OBL's relatives aren't exactly credible.

Nope. No evidence of deception. I'll say it again for the third time: Field Marshall Obama's desire to get out in front of this story caused him and all the little Obamas to use bad judgement. It's not a matter of correcting a few details, it's every stinking detail. There are only three aspects of the story told us by the administration that haven't been walked back: Bin Laden's dead, we killed him, and it happened in Pakistan. No doubt those are the most relevant aspects, but everything else, and I mean everything else has been "corrected," "modified" or "explained.": And, no offense intended, I'm getting a little tired of the "fog of war" dodge. This wasn't Operation Overlord. It was a very small, joint operaton, with a discrete objective. Mission accomplished. It shouldn't be a major deal to get the details more or less straight. It just seems to me that the president put a higher priority on being out front here than he did on getting it right And that's politics. I can't imagine Bush getting the same deference under identical circumstances. What was that sign Harry Truman had on his desk? "The buck stops here." At one point I was communications director for a gubernatorial campaign, and I have some feeling for the importance of getting it right. A clear statement by the president that "we don't have all the details yet, but we'll get them to you as soon as we can," probably would have sufficed for a while. Especially if followed up by strong statements about "speculation" from everyone involved. James Rosen's time line (posted earlier) of how it happened explains it much better than I. Seems like they were all just free lancing. Somebody said: "Obama takes a victory lap in a Klown Kar." Harsh but significantly true.

 

[Greyeagle]

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Seriously, can we please stop pretending we care what Europe thinks of us now?

Yep.....of course I never gave a rat's derrie.

 

[Slap Shot]

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A clear statement by the president that "we don't have all the details yet, but we'll get them to you as soon as we can," probably would have sufficed for a while.

If they had said that, cons would have screamed, "No!! We need to know exactly what happened right now", as evidenced by their insatiable demand that the pictures be released. They gave it a valiant effort to appear interested in goodwill, but their true colors eventually gave them away. The job was nearly executed flawlessly, but since Obama didn't act the dope and go, "Mission Accomplished" on us all, the result is all for naught. Obama could save a baby from a burning building and a significant number would still ***** that he didn't also put out the fire.

 

[Old Pio]

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If they had said that, cons would have screamed, "No!! We need to know what happened RIGHT NOW!!!" as evidenced by their insatiable demand that the pictures be released. They gave it a valiant effort to appear interested in goodwill, but their true colors eventually gave them away. The job was nearly flawlessly executed, but since Obama didn't act the dope and go, "Mission Accomplished" on us all everything is clearly all for naught. Obama could save a baby from a burning building and a significant number would still ***** that he didn't also put out the fire.

Ah, the old fall back: It's Bush's fault. That really is your favorite golden oldie, isn't it? Maybe the gold braid and endless repetition of that mantra will be enough to get the Field Marshall reelected. But then, I'm "inauthentic," so what do I know?

 

[Greyeagle]

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If they had said that, cons would have screamed, "No!! We need to know what happened RIGHT NOW!!!" as evidenced by their insatiable demand that the pictures be released. They gave it a valiant effort to appear interested in goodwill, but their true colors eventually gave them away. The job was nearly flawlessly executed, but since Obama didn't act the dope and go, "Mission Accomplished" on us all everything is clearly all for naught. Obama could save a baby from a burning building and a significant number would still ***** that he didn't also put out the fire.

Rush would accuse him of starting the fire.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Ah, the old fall back: It's Bush's fault. That really is your favorite golden oldie, isn't it?

Not single iota of that comment could be construed as, "It's Bush's fault". You'd do Bert Lahr proud by that obfuscation.

 

[WeWantMore]

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If they had said that, cons would have screamed, "No!! We need to know what happened RIGHT NOW!!!" as evidenced by their insatiable demand that the pictures be released. They gave it a valiant effort to appear interested in goodwill, but their true colors eventually gave them away. The job was nearly flawlessly executed, but since Obama didn't act the dope and go, "Mission Accomplished" on us all everything is clearly all for naught. Obama could save a baby from a burning building and a significant number would still ***** that he didn't also put out the fire.

Please, that's baloney and you know it. There are just as many lefties (Jon Stewart, Eugene Robinson, Slate.com) asking for the release as righties. Just as there as as many righties (Mitt Romney, Scott Brown, Hermain Cain) who don't want them released. For someone who likes to ***** and moan about partisanship, that was a terribly silly thing to say.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Please, that's baloney and you know it. There are just as many lefties (Jon Stewart, Eugene Robinson, Slate.com) asking for the release as righties. Just as there as as many righties (Mitt Romney, Scott Brown, Hermain Cain) who don't want them released. For someone who likes to ***** and moan about partisanship, that was a terribly silly thing to say.

Try to put two and two together. I couldn't care less if the pictures were released. But demand to seem them and also biotch about how the mission was narrated?

 

[Old Pio]

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Please, that's baloney and you know it. There are just as many lefties (Jon Stewart, Eugene Robinson, Slate.com) asking for the release as righties. Just as there as as many righties (Mitt Romney, Scott Brown, Hermain Cain) who don't want them released. For someone who likes to ***** and moan about partisanship, that was a terribly silly thing to say.

Le speciality de Maison.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Try to put two and two together. I couldn't care less if the pictures were released. But demand to seem them and also biotch about how the mission was narrated?

Yeah, fine. But you said that "cons" want to see the pictures released. That's about eleven billion times too broad a statement, don't you think? Some do, some don't. Some "libs" do, some don't.

Again, I wouldn't even be pointing it out if you hadn't whined about "partisanship" on the last page.

 

[Old Pio]

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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalp...d-bin-ladenand-the-really-scary-seal-dog.html

Getting away from our high level japing for a moment (lol) I think it's cool even the president doesn't know who actually fired the shot. As the military says: "He doesn't have a need to know." And taking a dog along just adds to the mystique of the mission. I once had an AF dog handler tell me that they had changed the training. "The dogs used to be psychopaths, now they're paranoid schizophrenics." I interviewed the kid after "Crasher" tried to take several large bites out of the guy in the goalie pads. During the interview the dog was licking my hand. Good boy.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Again, I wouldn't even be pointing it out if you hadn't whined about "partisanship" on the last page.

Fair enough, but I thought I made it clear the lack of consistency pointed to mostly one demographic. Mea culpa.

 

[Old Pio]

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Is this a great country or what?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/06/ny-man-makes-120k-selling-usamas-dead-t-shirts/?test=latestnews

 

[motox]

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So you weren't referring to me when you twice mentioned me and "fringe" in the same sentence? That's like the old Nixon trick: "Many people say my opponant is soft on Communism, but I would never say such a thing."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...g-white-house-pentagon-cia-botched-storyline/

No no, based on most of your posts in this thread I was referring to you. An article from the "fair and balanced" Fox News? Should I go find something from MSNBC?

 

[joecct]

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How much would you pay to view the OBL operation video?

You'd have to pay each time you wanted to look at it.

 

[5mn_Major]

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hey guys...we all sort of knew this would happen but it's despressing as hell regardless and if I were within 20 miles of this I'd go protest these nutbags. I mean if they hate the west *** are they living in great britain for??????

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/245148/

Would we? Its called free speech and Westboro uses it every day.

Europe is very much like the US...and there is always someone that can be quoted from either side of the Atlantic that makes their compatriots look like freaks. Guess what...5% of extremists represent 5% of extremists.

 

[Old Pio]

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No no, based on most of your posts in this thread I was referring to you. An article from the "fair and balanced" Fox News? Should I go find something from MSNBC?

The only fringe I know anything about is on my surrey.

 

[Old Pio]

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How much would you pay to view the OBL operation video?

You'd have to pay each time you wanted to look at it.

Nothing. I've already paid, every April 15th.

 

[solovsfett]

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Would we? Its called free speech and Westboro uses it every day.

Europe is very much like the US...and there is always someone that can be quoted from either side of the Atlantic that makes their compatriots look like freaks. Guess what...5% of extremists represent 5% of extremists.

5% of extremists represent 5% of extremists? that doesn't make sense to me.

yes, anyone can say whatever they want to in a free society. no debate there.

the problem to me is these guys shouting the west down don't have a history of crying wolf, they do tend to follow-up with action.

maybe you mean 5% of these guys shouting will act? even still my point isn't to silence them, my point is this is scary stuff and we'd (MI5, CIA) better be **** vigilant.