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Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

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5mn_Major said:
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Conservatives were their main supporters and their last supporters...and conservatism was why they sucked so bad.
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Because they were still better than John Kerry and Al Gore ;) not because they were fiscally responsible in anyway...because they really weren't. Conservatives finally stayed home because McCain was way more center-left than many could bare.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Because they were still better than John Kerry and Al Gore ;) not because they were fiscally responsible in anyway...because they really weren't. Conservatives finally stayed home because McCain was way more center-left than many could bare.
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Not an answer. Glenn Beck railing on the dems 24/7 (the way ideologues do on this site) doesn't mean that he's a liberal or independent. It means he's a conservative that doesn't have any answers and doesn't want to take responsibility even if he did.


WeWantMore said:
Name some conservative positions Bush took.
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In addition to the fact that he has been supported so thoroughly by conservatives, he was extremely conservative himself:

http://www.ontheissues.org/George_W__Bush.htm

GW nearly swept the conservative categories listed below.

Is it time to take ownership yet?
 
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5mn_Major said:
Not an answer. Glenn Beck railing on the dems 24/7 (the way ideologues do on this site) doesn't mean that he's a liberal or independent. It means he's a conservative that doesn't have any answers and doesn't want to take responsibility even if he did.




In addition to the fact that he has been supported so thoroughly by conservatives, he was extremely conservative himself:

http://www.ontheissues.org/George_W__Bush.htm

GW nearly swept the conservative categories listed below.

Is it time to take ownership yet?
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Mm, that's my fault. I should have been more specific. I don't think anyone would argue he wasn't a social conservative. Fiscally? No way. So, name some fiscal positions he took that were conservative.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Mm, that's my fault. I should have been more specific. I don't think anyone would argue he wasn't a social conservative. Fiscally? No way. So, name some fiscal positions he took that were conservative.
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Bush was conservative...pure and simple.

I have not seen any evidence that 'fiscal' conservatism truly exists except potentially in radicals like Ron Paul (for whom I was pretty much a supporter). So called 'fiscal' conservatives have their own pet projects that they usually don't discuss...a Twins stadium, repairing the road outside their house, subsidized medication, the military, improved border protection. So in the end, noble 'fiscal' conservatives just want to cut other peoples stuff and not their own.

Conservatives consistently use the illusion of 'fiscal' conservatism to get into power and then spend like anyone else. Or rather cut taxes and then deficit like no one else. But the big bait and switch comes as the bulk of their focus is on social platforms and military adventures. Today's recipe for conservatism in the US.
 
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WeWantMore said:
name some fiscal positions he took that were conservative.
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oooh, I know - tax cuts!
of course, he was such a liberal with the budget that it didn't help matters.

No, but if you guys want to do this you should just go back and read the old threads. GW Bush's influence can finally be said to be in the past, now that we're at Obama's mid terms. Safe to say now that both the Bush bailout and the Obama stimulus did far more damage than good to the economy, and it looks like the voters in some areas have come to realize that judging by the early polls. We might even elect a conservative in MI 1, the Stupak seat! (A "Republican" wouldn't really surprise me; but this guy Benishek wants to repeal Obamacare, and he's polling ahead!)
 
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blockski said:
Bloated sentiments are usually off the mark, regardless of what they're sentimental about.
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to be fair, Limbaugh was adamant that the dems could be destroyed as a party around '02... I was in agreement to a certain degree... but they the elected Republicans had no interest in doing so and floated stupid topics which have lead us to where we are now.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Bush was conservative...pure and simple.

I have not seen any evidence that 'fiscal' conservatism truly exists except potentially in radicals like Ron Paul (for whom I was pretty much a supporter). So called 'fiscal' conservatives have their own pet projects that they usually don't discuss...a Twins stadium, repairing the road outside their house, subsidized medication, the military, improved border protection. So in the end, noble 'fiscal' conservatives just want to cut other peoples stuff and not their own.
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So you're argument is: Fiscal conservatives don't exist. But Bush was one!

Compelling.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Right back atcha.
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So clever. Evidently you think UNO Fan needs your help. Actually, you're the one who needs help--especially if you're going to continue quoting out of context. So fly away little lefty boy.
 
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geezer said:
...the Obama stimulus did far more damage than good to the economy
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The only reputable analysis I've seen is that this is wrong. I'd be interested in a well-supported contrary argument.
 
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Craig P. said:
The only reputable analysis I've seen is that this is wrong. I'd be interested in a well-supported contrary argument.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, so don't take it that way, but what's your source on this?
 
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For sure, Porkulus helped some people ("jobs saved or created") and it's just a co-incidence the vast majority of the "jobs saved" belong to his union pals.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, so don't take it that way, but what's your source on this?
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Nothing particularly spectacular. Krugman, who will get pooh-poohed as a shill for the left (and economically, I think he's Keynesian, so has an obvious pro-stimulus bias), though an economic question is at least within his general area of expertise. I think there was another along the same lines—arguing that inasmuch as things haven't gotten much better, they would have been even worse with no stimulus at all. It's by no means the last word, but there's at least some background there.

Contra, all I have is an assertion. I'm truly interested in a well-founded contrary argument.
 
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