Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

Give me an, "H", give me a, "Y", give me a, "P"....

btw, lefty boy? Yeah, I'm always in here yammering on behalf of Obama, raising taxes, health care reform, terrorist sympathizers and the like.

Well then, stop posting in drag. And stop quoting me out of context. Or, better yet, just stop.

 

[joecct]

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Off I-35 in Wyoming, MN

 

[Handyman]

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Yes, and if I ever see him again I wont miss this time

 

[WeWantMore]

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All the conservatives voted for him. All the conservatives loved him. As long as they got their tax cut they were happy as clams.

And that's ALL they really want now. Dollars to doughnuts that's all that comes out of this NEW SUPPOSED fiscal conservative movement. The Bush tax cuts were the top of the mountain.

The way I see it, there were 5 elections where voters had a chance to offer their opinion on President Bush.
In 2000, they only had his record as Governor of Texas and mainly his rhetoric to go on. He sounded pretty conservative, people voted for him. Not to mention the boost a candidate whose party has been out of power for a while gets.
2002, I'm guessing fiscal policy wasn't exactly at the forefront of many people's minds.
2004, voters were presented with a Democratic candidate who was in no way any more fiscally conservative than Bush was. Iraq again a big factor.
2006, voters start to sour on Bush. Republicans don't pick up a single Democratic-held seat. You don't think some of that had to do with people losing faith in Bush?
2008, McCain gets trounced. You don't think some of that had to do with conservatives being sick of him and his buddy?

 

[Old Pio]

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Yes, and if I ever see him again I wont miss this time

Let's just hope none of the current members of the presidential protection unit of the Secret Service are from Mississippi, know what I mean, Vern?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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The way I see it, there were 5 elections where voters had a chance to offer their opinion on President Bush.
In 2000, they only had his record as Governor of Texas and mainly his rhetoric to go on. He sounded pretty conservative, people voted for him. Not to mention the boost a candidate whose party has been out of power for a while gets.
2002, I'm guessing fiscal policy wasn't exactly at the forefront of many people's minds.
2004, voters were presented with a Democratic candidate who was in no way any more fiscally conservative than Bush was. Iraq again a big factor.
2006, voters start to sour on Bush. Republicans don't pick up a single Democratic-held seat. You don't think some of that had to do with people losing faith in Bush?
2008, McCain gets trounced. You don't think some of that had to do with conservatives being sick of him and his buddy?

The precious tax cut is in jeopardy. Back they come.

 

[Foxton]

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The precious tax cut is in jeopardy. Back they come.

Taxes? That ****es me off!

 

[WeWantMore]

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The precious tax cut is in jeopardy. Back they come.

That's ridiculous for a number of reasons. First, if they were really all about the tax cut, why weren't conservatives engaged in 2006 and 2008? Don't the people elected to Congress in '06 and '08, and the President elected in '08, have an impact on tax policy?

Second, if the Tax Cut tax cut is really the main issue to conservatives, why waste time and money taking out Bob Bennett in Utah, a man who voted for the cut? Why waste time and money taking out Lisa Murkowski in Alaska? She was certainly going to vote for the cut. There's many more examples.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Of course it is. The GOP is ridiculous.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Bush was not a conservative...

George Bush...

Opposed abortion
Opposed increased hiring of women and minorities
Opposed domestic partnerships
Favored teacher led prayer in schools
Favored the death penalty
Favored mandatory three strikes sentencing
Favored extended gun ownership
Opposed more federal funding on healthcare
Favored privatizing social security
Favored parents choosing schools
Favored strong enforcement of laws against drugs
Favored allowing churches to deliver welfare svcs
Favored free trade
Favored expanding the armed forces
Opposed getting the US out of Iraq

Nearly a clean sweep of conservative positions. George W Bush's ideology based on all of his policies:

Not a big shock...if there's a wrong side to a fact, there you'll find Handy.

http://www.ontheissues.org/George_W__Bush.htm

 

[St. Clown]

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George Bush...

Opposed more federal funding on healthcare

A) What is Medicare Part D if not more federal spending on healthcare?
B) I don't think populism can be given a quadrant on a grid like that. It's more a free-moving dot, given to the whims of the populace and whichever group is making the best soundbites at a given time.

 

[Bakunin]

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All the conservatives voted for him.

This is like saying all Blacks vote Democrat. It isn't true. Sure it's a huge majority, but the breakdown is still about 9-1 or 10-1. Multiply that by tens of millions of people, and it's a small but significant number.

All the conservatives loved him.

I was fine with him until it became clear there were no WMD's in Iraq and his idiotic stem cell policy. For the record, I have not voted since 2002. The main reason for that is the embrace of idiotic fiscal policies by those I once supported. Sure, I could switch sides and vote D, but what would be the point? They've shown no interest in fiscal responsibility, either.

The sad thing is the GOP tried for a balanced budget amendment in the '90s and failed by a relatively small number of votes. While it's impossible to know whether or not 38 states would have voted to ratify it, it really makes me wonder how differently the last decade would have gone had such an amendment been in place.

BTW, I find it humorous that 5mn major thinks free trade is an exclusively conservative idea. NAFTA passed under Clinton. There are plenty of people on both sides of the aisle that believe in free trade - as it ultimately lowers the cost of goods and services which is beneficial to consumers - who far outnumber the producers who are protected via subsidies and other gimmickry to keep foreign goods out of the country.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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George Bush...

Opposed increased hiring of women and minorities

You are either attempting to deceive or you're an idiot. You also deleted the word "required" from the sentence "Opposed REQUIRED increased hiring of women and minorities." From the website:

# Equal protection supercedes recruiting women & minorities. (Apr 2006)
# Help minority business by unbundling government contracts. (Oct 2004)
# Minorities benefit from good climate for small business. (Oct 2004)
# Race-neutral admissions first; race factor ok if that fails. (Aug 2004)
# Education, housing, and hiring must be equal for all. (May 2004)/
# Affirmative access: qualified candidates guaranteed college. (Oct 2000)
# Guaranteed TX college racial preference for top 10% of class. (Sep 2000)
# Affirmative access: end soft bigotry of low expectations. (Aug 2000)
# For affirmative action, but not quotas or preferences. (Apr 2000)
# Reach out to minorities, but without quotas. (Jun 1999)

I'd love to see how you reached your pathetic conclusion from that. I don't even know why I continue after this...

Opposed domestic partnerships

Your boy Obama doesn't want it either.

Favored extended gun ownership

Also from the website:

* Make America safer by prosecuting criminals with guns. (Oct 2004)
* If gun laws are broken, hold people accountable. (Oct 2000)
* First, enforce the law; then keep guns from wrong people. (Oct 2000)
* Restrict lawsuits against gun makers. (Sep 2000)
* Government should pay for voluntary trigger locks. (May 2000)
* Project Sentry: juvenile gun laws & school accountability. (Apr 2000)
* Avoid Columbine via gun control, values & character ed. (Apr 2000)
* Would sign, but would not push, gun restrictions. (Apr 2000)
* Ban automatic weapons & high-capacity ammunition clips. (Apr 2000)
* More laws & enforcement on juveniles with guns. (Apr 2000)
* Best gun control is more prosecution & certain jail. (Dec 1999)
* Supports gun ownership for protection and hunting. (Dec 1999)
* Raise legal age for guns to 21; ban certain ammo. (Aug 1999)
* No child-safety locks on guns; concealed carrying ok. (Jun 1999)
* Arrest for guns in school; track juvenile offenders. (Jun 1999)
* No city lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jun 1999)
* Gun restrictions OK within basic right to own guns. (May 1999)
* Gun show checks OK; ban guns near schools & kids. (Apr 1999)
* Assault weapon OK; waiting period not OK. (Apr 1999)

I realize you think there isn't a second amendment but again, that's mixed at best.

Favored parents choosing schools

And? If a school blows, the parents should have the choice to get their kid out rather than doom them to a terrible education.

Favored strong enforcement of laws against drugs

Again, name one president that hasn't.

Favored allowing churches to deliver welfare svcs

If a church wants to help the community you're going to throw a fit? Who cares?

Favored free trade

I forget... Maybe you can remind me. Who put NAFTA into law again? Jeeze, I'm really drawing a blank here...

Favored expanding the armed forces

You're truly grasping at straws here.

Overall, if you go to the website you linked to, you'll find that at best he was mixed on many of the issues you attribute to his conservatism. Others you are downright trying to deceive. You pick one or two of the lines of a dozen bullet points and scream "SEE!!! I TOLD YOU" when the rest of them are actually quite moderate positions on the issues. The ones I didn't quote are either unable to be argued or aren't worth it.

I'm not saying Bush wasn't a conservative, but your attempt at portraying him as one was poor at best. At least be honest in your arguments.

 

[Slap Shot]

Off I-35 in Wyoming, MN

That's either a really old photo (such as the last time it snowed) or one dirty-arse windshield.

Well then, stop posting in drag. And stop quoting me out of context. Or, better yet, just stop.

Leave your fantasies out of this. Nothing was taken out of context. You first, although I'm sure you'll need the last word to satisfy the petulant child bit deep within you.

 

[5mn_Major]

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You are either attempting to deceive or you're an idiot.

Your boy Obama doesn't want it either.

I realize you think there isn't a second amendment but again, that's mixed at best.

And? If a school blows, the parents should have the choice to get their kid out rather than doom them to a terrible education.

Again, name one president that hasn't.

If a church wants to help the community you're going to throw a fit? Who cares?

Who put NAFTA into law again? Jeeze, I'm really drawing a blank here...

You're truly grasping at straws here.

I'm not saying Bush wasn't a conservative, but your attempt at portraying him as one was poor at best. At least be honest in your arguments.

Whenever I hear 'what president didn't' and 'who cares if a church helps a community'...I know its going to be a hard debate.

Don't be a blowhard rightwing talking piece...just saying an indepth analysis of over 500 policies and positions relative to those of hundreds of politicians is 'poor'.

Show us hard facts...quotes/policies...that contradict of the attached avalanche of specific data supplied or the methodology used. You've got a lot of work to do.

http://www.ontheissues.org/George_W__Bush.htm

GW Bush:

 

[WeWantMore]

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First of all, let's recall that this discussion started with talk of Bush's fiscal conservatism. So, I'm glad you can get worked into a lather on his positions on abortion and minorities and all of your other talking points, but they're pretty much irrelevant to that discussion.

Anyways, you'd like some fiscal positions Bush took that weren't conservative? How about Medicare part D? How about the bank bailout? How about signing into law all the terrible budgets passed by Congress? How about refusing to cut spending to go along with his tax cut?

Say I go to the bank each Friday. On 99% of those visits, I deposit my money and walk out. But on 1% of my visits, I wave a gun around*, demand money, and rob the bank. Now, if I tried to make the case to the police that I was well-behaved 99% of the time, I'd be laughed at. The same treatment should be applied to Bush. Who cares if he was fiscally conservative some of the time? When it came to the big decisions, he flunked them outrageously.

*Look on the bright side, at least I'm not shooting up the interstate.

 

[huskyfan]

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George Bush...

Opposed abortion
yes.

Opposed increased hiring of women and minorities
no. most diverse cabinet ever.

Opposed domestic partnerships
publicly opposed. gay friendly in private.

Favored teacher led prayer in schools
teacher led? or prayer in school?

Favored the death penalty
in some cases, yes.

Favored mandatory three strikes sentencing
yes.

Favored extended gun ownership
yes.

Opposed more federal funding on healthcare
no. hello.

Favored privatizing social security
no. favored giving us a choice in a small portion.

Favored parents choosing schools
hello. who doesn't?

Favored strong enforcement of laws against drugs
duh.

Favored allowing churches to deliver welfare svcs
who can possibly be against this?

Favored free trade
yes. of course. we're Americans? remember? capitalism and all that

Favored expanding the armed forces
gee. after 911 we should have shrunk them?

Opposed getting the US out of Iraq
not so.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Favored allowing churches to deliver welfare svcs
who can possibly be against this?

5MM?

 

[walrus]

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5MM?

Churches shoot at the interstate, who wouldn't be against them

 

[XYZ]

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Show us hard facts...

We're waiting on you since you've yet to do so.

Show us hard facts...quotes/policies...that contradict of the attached avalanche of specific data supplied or the methodology used. You've got a lot of work to do.

Everyone here is supposed to work to refute a one line link of yours that you edited the content of in a parsed quote that was highly misleading to suit your own ends? "Avalanche of specific data" indeed.

I hate to break it to you, but your days of being taken legitimately here are over.

As to whether I'm obsessed or not, it depends. So I ask: Who exhibits the obsessive behavior? The one with the imaginary friends or the one who merely observes it and reacts accordingly a few times a month? It's sort of a don't shoot the messenger thing.

You don't see me taking issue with Kepler or Rover or Patman or Bob Gray, do you? They are least honest to themselves, whether I or anyone else agrees with any of them on a specific matter or not.