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New Poll Predictions for 11/30

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PSUChamps2001 said:
Count how many posts Oswego fans are crying about being tied for 1st with Plattsburgh and count how many Plattsburgh fans are crying being tied with Oswego....I bet its about the same number of wins Oswego has over Plattsburgh in the CC....;)
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The reason there are no Plattsburgh complaints is because you have nothing to back it up. You lost to Oswego, its a fact. It does not matter who was outplayed. When all else is equal (records, goals for, goals against, etc) head to head is the trump card. While Oswego may not be the best team in the country (they haven't played Adrian, St Norberts), at the moment, they are better than Plattsburgh. Oswego has done nothing to this point in the season that would indicate otherwise.

This could all change next month when they meet again, but until then, Plattsburgh is the 2nd best team in the SUNYAC, live with it.
 
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point wise yes, never dissagreed with that...if I got outshot and outskated like Oswego did, I'd be ashamed to say that we are the "best" team....

the cockyness of some of the fans will make it that much better when we walk out of the cc with another win...hopefully the Lakers dont TANK it again and we can walk out of the cc again in March with another win...
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
point wise yes, never dissagreed with that...if I got outshot and outskated like Oswego did, I'd be ashamed to say that we are the "best" team....

the cockyness of some of the fans will make it that much better when we walk out of the cc with another win...hopefully the Lakers dont TANK it again and we can walk out of the cc again in March with another win...
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Does that mean you're predicting the Lakers to be the 1 seed in the SUNYAC tournament, Remy?
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
point wise yes, never dissagreed with that...if I got outshot and outskated like Oswego did, I'd be ashamed to say that we are the "best" team....
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Outshot, yes. Outskated, maybe. Truth is goalies are a part of the game and Oswego's was better. Plattsburgh won a National Championship a few years back being outshot by a large margin, as did Oswego. I doubt either team is ashamed of their National Championship. They don't award a W in the win column for having the most shots or time of possession. Its how many goals you score in comparison to the other team. Oswego 5 - Plattsburgh 2. Today that is the only stat that matters.
 
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93GreatLaker said:
Oswego 5 - Plattsburgh 2.
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Yes, on that night Oswego was the team that came out on top and won the game. if all that mattered was one game then there would be a lot of teams in the #1 spot. you have to look at the ENTIRE SEASON, not just one game. if one voter had moved Oswego or Plattsburgh down just one spot on their ballot then we wouldn't be having this convo.
 
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So the 1980 US hockey team was a better team then the Russians.....that night per the scoreboard yes....on the ice no
 
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Fredonia was the best team in the SUNYAC a few years ago.....

Morrissville was the same as Oswego last year......
 
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93GreatLaker said:
The reason there are no Plattsburgh complaints is because you have nothing to back it up. You lost to Oswego, its a fact. It does not matter who was outplayed. When all else is equal (records, goals for, goals against, etc) head to head is the trump card. While Oswego may not be the best team in the country (they haven't played Adrian, St Norberts), on November 7th, they were better than Plattsburgh. Unfortunately, Oswego's weak early season schedule has done nothing to this point in the season that would indicate they are consistently better than Plattsburgh.

This could all change next month when they meet again, but until then, Plattsburgh is deemed tied with Oswego in the polls and in the SUNYAC, live with it.
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Fixed your Post :) ;)
 
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93GreatLaker said:
Plattsburgh won a National Championship a few years back being outshot by a large margin, as did Oswego. I doubt either team is ashamed of their National Championship.
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It was 11...and it was actually even heading into the third period, and yes I can actually say RIT was a better team than Plattsburgh, just as was UWS and Middlebury....if it wasn't for the play of Nik Sundberg. UWS outshot us 53-18. We were actually out shot in the NCAA's on average 23-42, we were the National Champions, not the best team in the NCAA's. Neumann was the National Champion last year, were they the best team all season long? Point is you can WIN a game with out being the best team on the ice. Never took that away from Oswego..if you actually want to go back you will see I said they took advantage of the few opportunities they had. I am sure every win Oswego has had they were the best team on the ice too :rolleyes: Some of us can admit that....obviously you can not....


93GreatLaker said:
They don't award a W in the win column for having the most shots or time of possession. Its how many goals you score in comparison to the other team. Oswego 5 - Plattsburgh 2. Today that is the only stat that matters.
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Wow...and like I've said...I never knew getting the W automatically meant you were the best team. Some of us can admit when we've been outplayed and beat a team that was better....(See the 2-0 win over Norwich a few years ago). I guess over the past 10 games prior that Oswego wasn't even close to Plattsburgh seeing how they never won a game...even the game they out shot Plattsburgh 40-20 but only managed a 5-5 tie......but if they were the better team they would have won....
 
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All I have to say on this is Oswego took down 3 Giants, Norwich,St.Norbert and Middlebury. Pretty impressive list to escape from if you are not the best!
 
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Goalies are part of the team. KGT let in less goals than Leis that night, therefore Oswego was better than Plattsburgh that night. I'm willing to bet Coach Emery would agree. "We need to keep the puck out." He says it time and time again. You want to say you have more hockey knowledge than him?
 
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1Dukester said:
All I have to say on this is Oswego took down 3 Giants, Norwich,St.Norbert and Middlebury. Pretty impressive list to escape from if you are not the best!
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And besides the Middlebury game you easily argue that both teams were pretty even if not giving the advantage to Oswego....

but in that Middlebury game I don't know who (besides maybe you green and gold colored glassed Oswego fans) could say that Oswego was the best team on the ice...maybe the team that scored the most goals, but for much of that game Middlebury pushed Oswego to the limits...Scott played an amazing game. But goaltending is ONE part of a team. And yes, I was pulling for Oswego...
 
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sticksnstones said:
Goalies are JUST ONE part of the team. KGT let in less goals than Leis that night, therefore Oswego was better than Plattsburgh that night. I'm willing to bet Coach Emery would agree. "We need to keep the puck out." He says it time and time again. You want to say you have more hockey knowledge than him?
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Dude no one is disputing the fact KGT played extremely well...and on the flip side Leis let in 4 goals on 13 shots...how many times is goalie going to have that save %? You want to base a "team" off of one thing...goals. Like I've pointed out time and time again...

I will ask again....Was Morrissville just as good as Oswego last year? Why isn't Morrisville ranked higher or tied with Elmira?? Obviously they are a better team then Elmira because they beat them....???

Listen to what he said on BTB...Plattsburgh has more scoring chances and controlled the puck more....I believe he even made mention to the fact that Oswego just capitalized on the few chances they were given....
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
Dude no one is disputing the fact KGT played extremely well...and on the flip side Leis let in 4 goals on 13 shots...how many times is goalie going to have that save %? You want to base a "team" off of one thing...goals. Like I've pointed out time and time again...

I will ask again....Was Morrissville just as good as Oswego last year? Why isn't Morrisville ranked higher or tied with Elmira?? Obviously they are a better team then Elmira because they beat them....???
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On BTB Emery admitted Leis was let down by his defense a couple of times as well. I didn't say you were disputing how well KGT played. The point I am making is Oswego beat Platty that night and that's it. It doesn't matter how many shots there were or who controlled the play. It might matter to the confidence of the team or the fans, but to the poll, and the voters, and the record, that doesn't matter. Potsdam outshot the Cardinals at the Stafford last year, on Valentine's Day. Who won that game, and what was the score?
 
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sticksnstones said:
On BTB Emery admitted Leis was let down by his defense a couple of times as well. I didn't say you were disputing how well KGT played. The point I am making is Oswego beat Platty that night and that's it. It doesn't matter how many shots there were or who controlled the play. It might matter to the confidence of the team or the fans, but to the poll, and the voters, and the record, that doesn't matter. Potsdam out shot the Cardinals at the Stafford last year, on Valentine's Day. Who won that game, and what was the score?
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Yes they did any Potsdam for the most part skated with Plattsburgh especially through the first two periods and if it wasn't for Hince in the first two periods and the fact the Potsdam goalie couldn't stop a freakn beach ball Potsdam could have won...Also if you remember right Potsdam had the majority of their shots on power plays. Plus getting outshot by 3 is a little different then 20.....and like has already been pointed out, it was a 1 goal game with just over 3 minutes left to play in the game....far from a 3 blow out win you want to claim....

another game where the score was not indicative of the WHOLE team on the ice...exactly what I am saying. Thanks!

And do you REALLY think Emery is going to give Oswego that type of bulletin board material...HELLO????
 
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The score WAS indicative of what happened on the ice. I was at that game. Were you? Potsdam didn't have a chance in that game. Lots of shots, but Hince was good that night. Meanwhile Plattsburgh took advantage of the little opportunities they had, especially in the first two periods...6 goals on 14 shots. Thats right, took advantage of the little opportunities they had. Sound familiar, dude?
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
And do you REALLY think Emery is going to give Oswego that type of bulletin board material...HELLO????
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Ummm, wouldn't Emery going public saying, "I know they score the most goals, but we dominated them and we are the better team" be bulletin board material for Oswego? HELLO????
 
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