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Frozen Four 2023: Three Blue Bloods and and Upstart

RossiRules said:
Yeah in the last 15 years eastern teams have now won 8 times..so I really don't see the Big 10 or Western conferences as dominant blue bloods as you indicate. Their is parity in college hockey and the advent of the transfer portal and the build up of non traditional programs without a rich, long history like UMass, and QU will only continue. It's anybody's ballgame today
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I agree with you RR. Looks like three dominant leagues in recent times.
Number of National championships in the past 10 (15 tournaments) [based on current league affiliations]:
NCHC: 5 (6) -- 3 teams
EZAC: 3 (3) -- 3 teams [I'm an ECAC fan, the EZAC is just to make ECAC distractors feel good!]
BigEast: 2 (6) -- 4 teams
CCHA: 0 (0)
Big00: 0 (0)
 
RossiRules said:
Yeah in the last 15 years eastern teams have now won 8 times..so I really don't see the Big 10 or Western conferences as dominant blue bloods as you indicate. Their is parity in college hockey and the advent of the transfer portal and the build up of non traditional programs without a rich, long history like UMass, and QU will only continue. It's anybody's ballgame today
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Ever heard of the NHL???

Wow, some of you people are just SO naive.

Minnesota and Wisconsin and Michigan are all Top 5 in producing NHL players, and NHL point producers. They might all be Top 4? North Dakota is in there.

Michigan St is also Top 8 in this regard.

PSU, OSU and Notre Dame are climbing fast.



Couldn't imagine how you'd all feel if your players left after 1 or 2 seasons? Your heads would blow up, because you all seem to need players to hang around for 5 years.

And then you claim the B1G isn't so special, see, they didn't win the title. lol



The likes of UMass and QU don't hardly rank at all. That might change for Q now, and I hope it does, they deserve it, 3 title games now, or is it four now? And finally a Title. It probably changed for UMD, and now they didn't even make the NCAA tourney? How did they fall so hard? Couldn't be because the NHL noticed them winning back to back titles??? No way. The NHL doesn't care about college hockey, right?

Same way UMn fell after back to back titles? Same way Denver fell after Back to Back Titles? Same way UND fell for awhile after 2 titles in 4 years? Same way Michigan fall after 2 titles in 3 years? Same way BC fell hard after 3 titles in 5 years. It's a pretty predictable cycle, actually.


Those non-blue bloods you speak of, they take turns, winning one and usually only one title at a time, then disappear back into obscurity. Yale, winner of a Natl Title in 2013, was ranked #54 this year, Providence, winner of a title in 2015, wasn't even Top 20 this year, Union, winner of a Natl title in 2014, ranked #43 this year. When was the last time 2012 runner up Ferris St got talked about? Same with Mass-Lowell? And UMass, winner of the 2021 Title, has been irrelevant ever since. They barely snuck into the Top half of programs this year at #29.

Programs like Quinipiac and UMD figured out a way to not disappear into obscurity and good for them. I went to UMD, so I liked seeing them thrive. A good friend of mine is a big time Q fan, so I'm very happy for him. We've been talking for several years, and UMn always ended up better and I also felt badly for him, so his team getting the better of mine is pretty cool, actually. I can't wait to congratulate him.



Like men's cbb this year, it was fun to see the Final Four dominated by non-blue bloods, and won by a team only recently given blue blood status. In 1998, I remember defending a UConn fan from abuse some Cinncinnati bb fan was giving him. He got the last laugh, several times now.

People have laughed at UMn lately, but none of them made the Title game this year, as Q fans are some of the best, classiest fans I've ever encountered, and none said anything crossing the line about Minnesota. One did say Q's defense was "Far and away" better than Minnesota's, which I found hilarious knowing who Q played this year compared to who UMn played. But outside of that, nothing but coolness and respect.



One team has NEVER a conference made. That is true so often in so many sports, and it's such an obvious point that can be too often made. But still simple minded people love to point to the conf the winning team is from as the best conf. Interviewers continue to go out and interview Americans and prove everyday that Americans are not very smart.
 
FredsDeadFriend said:
Ever heard of the NHL???

Wow, some of you people are just SO naive.

Minnesota and Wisconsin and Michigan are all Top 5 in producing NHL players, and NHL point producers. They might all be Top 4? North Dakota is in there.

Michigan St is also Top 8 in this regard.

PSU, OSU and Notre Dame are climbing fast.
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Hey FDF. Let's talk about recent performances (say, since the current hockey players entered Kindergarten) of the actual teams in the tournament. It's not about how many players go on to NHL. It's the team's performance in the tournament (and this thread is about the Frozen Four). All those recent Big00 graduates in the NHL have never won a National College Championship.
 
QuasiCosmos said:
Why do fans of losing teams always say "If they played 10, or maybe 100, games, my team (X) would win Z times?
The way I see it, this year UMn played QU once and lost (that's 0-1). The Big00 played three games this season against QU and went 0-3.

Why not just congratulate QU and move on? They played the better game and won, and deserved the victory.
I'm not claiming QU is the best team, I'll let you others argue forever about who's the best in your humble opinion. Just that QU was the best team in the tournament this year.

QU ends the year as #1 in the Pairwise. And a well-deserved national championship. Congrats to the team.
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Clearly.
 
FredsDeadFriend said:
Ever heard of the NHL???

Wow, some of you people are just SO naive.

Minnesota and Wisconsin and Michigan are all Top 5 in producing NHL players, and NHL point producers. They might all be Top 4? North Dakota is in there.

Michigan St is also Top 8 in this regard.

PSU, OSU and Notre Dame are climbing fast.



Couldn't imagine how you'd all feel if your players left after 1 or 2 seasons? Your heads would blow up, because you all seem to need players to hang around for 5 years.

And then you claim the B1G isn't so special, see, they didn't win the title. lol



The likes of UMass and QU don't hardly rank at all. That might change for Q now, and I hope it does, they deserve it, 3 title games now, or is it four now? And finally a Title. It probably changed for UMD, and now they didn't even make the NCAA tourney? How did they fall so hard? Couldn't be because the NHL noticed them winning back to back titles??? No way. The NHL doesn't care about college hockey, right?

Same way UMn fell after back to back titles? Same way Denver fell after Back to Back Titles? Same way UND fell for awhile after 2 titles in 4 years? Same way Michigan fall after 2 titles in 3 years? Same way BC fell hard after 3 titles in 5 years. It's a pretty predictable cycle, actually.


Those non-blue bloods you speak of, they take turns, winning one and usually only one title at a time, then disappear back into obscurity. Yale, winner of a Natl Title in 2013, was ranked #54 this year, Providence, winner of a title in 2015, wasn't even Top 20 this year, Union, winner of a Natl title in 2014, ranked #43 this year. When was the last time 2012 runner up Ferris St got talked about? Same with Mass-Lowell? And UMass, winner of the 2021 Title, has been irrelevant ever since. They barely snuck into the Top half of programs this year at #29.

Programs like Quinipiac and UMD figured out a way to not disappear into obscurity and good for them. I went to UMD, so I liked seeing them thrive. A good friend of mine is a big time Q fan, so I'm very happy for him. We've been talking for several years, and UMn always ended up better and I also felt badly for him, so his team getting the better of mine is pretty cool, actually. I can't wait to congratulate him.



Like men's cbb this year, it was fun to see the Final Four dominated by non-blue bloods, and won by a team only recently given blue blood status. In 1998, I remember defending a UConn fan from abuse some Cinncinnati bb fan was giving him. He got the last laugh, several times now.

People have laughed at UMn lately, but none of them made the Title game this year, as Q fans are some of the best, classiest fans I've ever encountered, and none said anything crossing the line about Minnesota. One did say Q's defense was "Far and away" better than Minnesota's, which I found hilarious knowing who Q played this year compared to who UMn played. But outside of that, nothing but coolness and respect.



One team has NEVER a conference made. That is true so often in so many sports, and it's such an obvious point that can be too often made. But still simple minded people love to point to the conf the winning team is from as the best conf. Interviewers continue to go out and interview Americans and prove everyday that Americans are not very smart.
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humility

hu-mil-i-ty

noun: humility

a modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness.
 
FredsDeadFriend said:
Ever heard of the NHL???

Wow, some of you people are just SO naive.

Minnesota and Wisconsin and Michigan are all Top 5 in producing NHL players, and NHL point producers. They might all be Top 4? North Dakota is in there.

Michigan St is also Top 8 in this regard.
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You have 2022-23?

mookie sees for last season and Bucky only had 17
bc had 24 and bu 21
umich was on top with 26, goofs 25 and Sioux 24

this season there are only two teams that have a college kid leading in scoring x2, and one is bu
pavelski is a leader from Bucky, and to be honest mookie woulda guessed he retired 5 years ago. Good for him!!
 
FredsDeadFriend said:
Congrats to Q.
... or the game Q couldn't win vs the #59 ranked team in the country. Yeah, Q couldn't get a win vs #59 ranked LIU. ...
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What's your point, FDF? ... yeah, QU tied the same LIU that beat #14 Pairwise Alaska and #7 Ohio State. Well deserved wins for LIU who played a solid out-of-conference schedule. (Last I checked OS is in the Big00. My-oh-my a tournament Big00 team lost to LIU).

... and yet, UMN's lowest Pairwise loss was to #38 and QU's lowest Pairwise loss was to #29. See, I can quote meaningless numbers, too.

QU beat UMn in their one matchup this year. How could UMn lose to a team (QU) that couldn't beat #58, and a team (OhioState) that lost to #58? All this mystifies me!
 
QuasiCosmos said:
Why do fans of losing teams always say "If they played 10, or maybe 100, games, my team (X) would win Z times?
The way I see it, this year UMn played QU once and lost (that's 0-1). The Big00 played three games this season against QU and went 0-3.

Why not just congratulate QU and move on? They played the better game and won, and deserved the victory.
I'm not claiming QU is the best team, I'll let you others argue forever about who's the best in your humble opinion. Just that QU was the best team in the tournament this year.

QU ends the year as #1 in the Pairwise. And a well-deserved national championship. Congrats to the team.
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Those people almost ALWAYS have data to back up that kind of statement. UMn only led the nation in scoring. UMn DID have a 2-1 lead with 3 minutes left in the game. Not like UMn's Defense was "far and away" worse than Q's. Seems UMn's defense performed quite well.



Who declared the loser of a game has to grovel and lick the butt cracks of the winning team and have to move on? If I was a player, that would be a different story, but I'm just a lowly fan. Who declared this is an absolute rule? God gave us Ten Commandments and I've never met a single human being on earth who follows all 10 of those rules and almost no one who advocates following them all. Far too many go out of their way to break them all. But those same people think they can impose some arbitrary rule on others regarding how they should have to respond to their team losing? Who are you to try to shame anyone for how they react when their team loses after an entire season of following that team and feeling they could finally win them a title after over 20 years without one and it doesn't happen??? I'm VERY VERY happy for Q fans, no better fan base out there more deserving of finally getting to celebrate a Title. I honestly couldn't have hoped to lose to a less upsetting program to lose to.

UMn is rich in sports rewards. Q? Not so much, so good for them, I can't this this enough. They played well and the breaks went their way, good for them. But is it Q fans in here talking sh1t about Minnesota or rubbing their faces in the dirt over the loss? The ONLY fans who might have the right to do so??? No, it's loser fans of other programs who didn't make it to the Title game. Maybe jealous of the mighty Gopher hockey program, so feeling this is their chance to hurt it's fans the most? If you were giving Minnesota the credit it's due, I could handle that, but you seem to want to rob them of their due. It's pathetic.




And, when a trophy is given out for the best losers, I might give a sh1t and try to win that sucker. Until then, I'll BE HONEST and not lie about how I feel. NO, those pants don't look good on you, you'll get laughed at if you go out into public wearing that outfit. That kind of statement could lead to getting divorce papers, but wouldn't that be the most loving thing to say if it's true? I mean, just saying.




I mean, Wisconsin beat Minnesota, and Michigan, and Ohio St, and Penn St and Mich St and Notre Dame.

Not like it's that hard to do, but you make it out like it's this amazing accomplishment.


Minnesota, on the otherhand, went 3-1 vs Michigan, 3-1 vs Ohio St. 3-1 vs PSU. 3-0-1 vs Notre Dame and 5-0 vs Mich St.

So not like it's hard to dominate B1G teams, at least for Minnesota. So Q won 3 games vs B1G teams? WOW!!! Who could ever imagine??? lol


And Q played the majority of their games vs teams ranked outside of the Top half of all the teams in the country.





Nothing on earth will convince me that FAU and San Diego St were 2 of the Top 4 teams in the nation this year in Men's CBB. Nor can anyone convince me Iowa was the 2nd best team in Women's BB. But those 3 teams won and got to the Final Four and 2 of them got to Title games. Good for them, I'm happy, SDSU's coach is a former Gopher, for good for him, that made me happy, but I still won't try to claim they were the 2nd best team in the nation this year. Iowa got to the Title game, they are a B1G program, still I won't try to claim they were the 2nd best team in the nation this year. Clark happened to catch fire and the team rode her back into the title game. Good for her and good for them. I won't try to drag them down. I won't make up a list of the worst or least qualified men's hockey champions and put Q at the top or something. HELL NO. One of the first #2 overall seeds overall to get to the final against a #1 overall seed, and they beat that #1 ranked, ACROSS THE BOARD IN EVERY POLL OUT THERE team. If anything, I'd rank them as one of the greatest championship teams EVER!!! ;)
 
QuasiCosmos said:
Hey FDF. Let's talk about recent performances (say, since the current hockey players entered Kindergarten) of the actual teams in the tournament. It's not about how many players go on to NHL. It's the team's performance in the tournament (and this thread is about the Frozen Four). All those recent Big00 graduates in the NHL have never won a National College Championship.
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One team never a conference made, dude. Pretty simple.
 
You all are wasting your time with FDF. I don't know who is worse, FDF or Speed Kills? I pick FDF. Writes way too frickin much. Shorten it down, nobody wants to read a book on a message board. Cheers again to Quinnipiac! Bane of the B1G.
 
MarkEagleUSA said:
humility

hu-mil-i-ty

noun: humility

a modest or low view of one's own importance; humbleness.
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Did I ever claim to be humble? lol

I thought I made it pretty clear I was quite the opposite of humble.

I believe UMn is the #1 men's college hockey program of ALL-TIME. Today's loss doesn't affect that assessment in the least.

I also think I'm the most well informed AND open minded person I've ever known or met. People out there in the world DO humble me, I've just met very few of them publicly, and none of them humbled me because of their intellect. Beauty, athletic talent, financial success are how they humbled me. So I can be humbled. Some of the fans here humble me with how nice they are, others with how hockey smart they are. But none of those people are the ones who confront me. Maybe you are an exception to that MarkEagleUSA, I don't remember talking to you before. So I have ZERO issue with you. You think I'm not humble enough or that I claimed to be humble and am not? I'm not sure? Maybe you just think I should be more humble? I don't have a problem with you for having any of those thoughts. You are probably a good person. If you met me in real life you would probably think that I was a humble person. But this isn't real life, this is a sports forum, where we talk sports. I like to talk sports. I find most sports talk to be boring and try to liven it up sometimes. I try to stick to just 2 or 3 threads so that people can avoid me if they don't like engaging me. But I do find people who do enjoy engaging me. Sorry if that is not you.


I hope you the best going forward.
 
QuasiCosmos said:
Hey FDF. Let's talk about recent performances (say, since the current hockey players entered Kindergarten) of the actual teams in the tournament. It's not about how many players go on to NHL. It's the team's performance in the tournament (and this thread is about the Frozen Four). All those recent Big00 graduates in the NHL have never won a National College Championship.
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Tell that to the players making millions in the NHL.


What do you think College is for? It's not for the fans. It's for the students. Sports were always meant to be something to help the students learn life lessons. The fact that fans benefited from sports was just always a bonus. Now fans try to make it out as if it's all for them.


I hope Q players go on to great success in the world. I know UMn players will. It's what UMn grads do.
 
"UMn DID have a 2-1 lead with 3 minutes left in the game."

Last I checked, the hockey game lasts 60 minutes, not 57.

UMn was outscored 3-0 in the last 35 minutes, and greatly outshot (shots on goal). Congrats to a great Qu team effort.
 
Congratulations QU on your national championship. I attended the game and they certainly tilted the ice in the third. I would say the reason for the win was the QU was the better conditioned team and just wore MN out. It's ironic how quickly CT teams beat MN in OT in important games. Enjoy your title, well deserved!
 
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