D-III Women's Bracketology

[EC_SoaringEagle83]

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Who would be the highest seed between platty and elmira?

 

[hockeyfanatic]

As I just said, either way you probably end up with two flights. It's either 1 flight in the first round and 1 for the finals or two for the finals. I'd prefer two for the finals. .

I still think it's all moot anyway and Adrian's staying home

I have to agree. Hard to believe Adrian gets in over Middlebury

 

[123kidd]

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I think Adrian is out.

 

[obserbear]

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Look for Adrian as the eighth team and probably playing Elmira in the first round.

Does that mean Trinity flies out to play Wisconsin-River Falls? Should Adrian be in and play at Elmira it leaves Plattsburgh, Norwich and Trinity in the East? I find it hard to believe there will be 2 NCHA schools rather than 2 NESCAC schools!!!

 

[gojackets]

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Does that mean Trinity flies out to play Wisconsin-River Falls? Should Adrian be in and play at Elmira it leaves Plattsburgh, Norwich and Trinity in the East? I find it hard to believe there will be 2 NCHA schools rather than 2 NESCAC schools!!!

Because of your overvalue of the NESCAC? It would make a strong case for my argument that the NESCAC isn't really that strong if Adrian gets in...and boy would that drive that one crazy person(Crosscheck) even crazier.

Like I've said...if Adrian is in and goes to Elmira that most likely means that St. Thomas is flying to Plattsburgh. St. Thomas is the only team in the tourney that has never been ranked, so you'd have to imagine that they are the overall 8th seed.

 

[obserbear]

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Because of your overvalue of the NESCAC? It would make a strong case for my argument that the NESCAC isn't really that strong if Adrian gets in...and boy would that drive that one crazy person(Crosscheck) even crazier.

Like I've said...if Adrian is in and goes to Elmira that most likely means that St. Thomas is flying to Plattsburgh. St. Thomas is the only team in the tourney that has never been ranked, so you'd have to imagine that they are the overall 8th seed.

You honestly think the NCHA plays hockey on the same level as the NESCAC? I mean I admit to a bias based on something like 50 or so games I attend a season. Top to bottom the NESCAC is the most competitive conference. So, you have watched a lot of NCHA action and my impression of the NESCAC is biased and incorrect? Or is this your bias based on living west of Pennsylvania?

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Who would be the highest seed between platty and elmira?

Winning Percentage: Elmira (.907 v .889)
SOS: I'm assuming Plattsburgh (Going into this week .570 v .568)
Ranked Opponents: Elmira (.688 v .625)
Common Opponents: Elmira (.977 v .976) ...but it's pretty much tied.
Head-to-Head: Tied 2-2
Last 25%: Plattsburgh (1.000 vs .857)

Let's be honest, these two teams have virtually identical schedules, and results, amd the criteria shows it. Elmira has the .001 advantage in common opponents because they played 2 against Middlebury to Plattsburgh's 1 (both are X-0-1 against common opponents).

In fact, the biggest gaps in criteria (.018 in WIN, .063 in RNK, and .143 in L25) are the result of 2 games: Plattsburgh's tie to Gustavus Adolphus, and the ECAC-W title game.

Realistically, the committee could justify giving the #1 seed to either team. I think they will weight SOS (however slim a margin it is) and Last 25% slightly higher, goving Plattsburgh the #1 seed... But I would have no objections to the comparison going Elmira's way, either.

 

[gojackets]

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You honestly think the NCHA plays hockey on the same level as the NESCAC? I mean I admit to a bias based on something like 50 or so games I attend a season. Top to bottom the NESCAC is the most competitive conference. So, you have watched a lot of NCHA action and my impression of the NESCAC is biased and incorrect? Or is this your bias based on living west of Pennsylvania?

I'm not gonna rehash the argument. However, I've never understood the "its the most competitive conference top to bottom" argument. That just means that the teams are all really competivite with each other...it doesn't mean they're the best (which is why Platt, Elmira, Norwich were 5-1-1 vs the NESCAC) I'm just saying that its not far fetched that there are two equally good, as deserving teams in the NCHA as there are in the NESCAC. Remember how "being the most competitive conference top to bottom" fared for the NESCAC last year.

We both agree that if Middlebury and Adrian had won, that neither conference, most likely, would have had 2 teams in the tournament

And if you want to talk toughest conference top to bottom...WIAC

 

[spwood]

We both agree that if Middlebury and Adrian had won, that neither conference, most likely, would have had 2 teams in the tournament

And if you want to talk toughest conference top to bottom...WIAC

Plus the obvious - if either had won their tourney, they wouldn't be in this spot!

As for the WIAC, they don't have enough teams to have a bottom so the comparison to other full conferences is apples to oranges.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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It's 10:00... What's the over/under on how late this thing gets started?

 

[HockeyEast33]

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It's 10:00... What's the over/under on how late this thing gets started?

It's official - 5/3 split and St Thomas to Plattsburgh.

Hmmmm..... really struggling with Middlebury getting a home game against Norwich.....after losing to Trinity in the final at home. And I'm a NESCAC supporter. Only saving grace is that Norwich is so close they may have more fans than Middlebury anyway.

 

[The Real Georgia Peach]

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Plattsburgh #1 vs St. Thomas,

Middlebury at home vs Norwich

River Falls at home vs Lake Forest

Elmira at home vs Trinity.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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It's official - 5/3 split and St Thomas to Plattsburgh.

Hmmmm..... really struggling with Middlebury getting a home game against Norwich.....after losing to Trinity in the final at home. And I'm a NESCAC supporter.

Midd's head to head win must have been trump card.

 

[spwood]

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It's official - 5/3 split and St Thomas to Plattsburgh.

Hmmmm..... really struggling with Middlebury getting a home game against Norwich.....after losing to Trinity in the final at home. And I'm a NESCAC supporter. Only saving grace is that Norwich is so close they may have more fans than Middlebury anyway.

Think whole body of work. The NCAA doesn't weight the loss to Trinity any heavier than any other game. Therefore, straight up, I don't think there was any doubt Middlebury would be ranked above Norwich.

Seeding was pretty easy to figure out:

1. Plattsburgh
2. Elmira
3. UW River Falls
4. Middlebury
5. Norwich
6. Trinity
7. Lake Forest
8. St. Thomas

My only surprise was that they moved Lake Forest ahead of St. Thomas. Maybe the boys on "the other site" will explain it to us.

 

[The Real Georgia Peach]

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This will make some pretty interesting second round match-ups, regardless of who wins the opening rounds.

 

[Plugger]

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Think whole body of work. The NCAA doesn't weight the loss to Trinity any heavier than any other game. Therefore, straight up, I don't think there was any doubt Middlebury would be ranked above Norwich.

Seeding was pretty easy to figure out:

1. Plattsburgh
2. Elmira
3. UW River Falls
4. Middlebury
5. Norwich
6. Trinity
7. Lake Forest
8. St. Thomas

My only surprise was that they moved Lake Forest ahead of St. Thomas. Maybe the boys on "the other site" will explain it to us.

Agreed on the seeding comment. This was probably the shortest meeting of the committee when it came to selecting the at-large. When #1 and #3 ranked teams lose in the 2 strongest conferences, they are going to move on with the records and SOS they have.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Agreed on the seeding comment. This was probably the shortest meeting of the committee when it came to selecting the at-large. When #1 and #3 ranked teams lose in the 2 strongest conferences, they are going to move on with the records and SOS they have.

I think the toughest question they had was Plttsburgh or Elmira for the #1 overall. It appears they went with Plattsburgh, probably because of the ever-so-slightly higher SOS and the Last 25% (which was the one criterion that wasn't essentially deadlocked).

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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So, the Plattsburgh men have a home Quarterfinal on 3/21... The same date & time as the Women's National Championship game. What happens? Who moves?

 

[spwood]

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So, the Plattsburgh men have a home Quarterfinal on 3/21... The same date & time as the Women's National Championship game. What happens? Who moves?

Guess? Men's QF. Imagine the PR nightmare in moving a women's Final Four to accommodate a Men's QF game? I'm sure Plattsburgh and the NCAA will make that work....provided the women take care of business on Saturday...

 

[spwood]

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I think the toughest question they had was Plttsburgh or Elmira for the #1 overall. It appears they went with Plattsburgh, probably because of the ever-so-slightly higher SOS and the Last 25% (which was the one criterion that wasn't essentially deadlocked).

I think the toughest question went to the Western Committee: Adrian #1 or UW River Falls #1 in the final ranking? I haven't looked at the numbers to see how close it was before this weekend's games.