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2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

Who is left that can run away from the crazy message? Who hasn't been branded? They either kicked their bench out or made them bend a knee publicly.

Who can honestly say in 2028 "I never supported Trump or his campaign initiatives"?

And no...people won't turn out that is kind of the point. It only works for him. When i say the sink won't go away I mean this is going to be an albatross around their neck for a while. They need a lot of new blood and fast...they shot their wad on this one, going all in on authoritarianism and if doesn't work you just walk that back.
 
Musk is the richest man in the world...if every business he owned went under tomorrow he would be just fine.

If Musk cared he would have never been on stage with a guy who wants to shut Tesla down and owns a tech company that is in opposition to Musk. Musk lost his mind years ago and is in an addiction spiral thanks to his God complex and heavy Ketamine usage.

Stop pretending these people make rational decisions they dont.

Musk is as valuable as Tesla stock is.

And the "decisions" these people will make is to continue to not buy EVs. That's not just "logical" that's how it's been playing out. And X is not really doing anything. The only real thing that is "universally" supported is SpaceX.

I'm not saying they are going to "shut down" tesla, I'm saying his current q supporters are not buying his cars, and they won't in the near future. Or ever. And the people who did get EV's because of global warming, it seems that those customers are drying up for him- as he's pushing the exact opposite of dealing with global warming.

He's making choices that will impact him over the long term.
 
[All usual caveats included]

ABC News poll has Harris +3. Also has Harris only losing White Women by 4 (Biden lost White Women by 11) and White Men by 11. (Biden lost White men by 23) Those are liller numbers and i think they are underestimating White Women to be honest...
 
Musk is as valuable as Tesla stock is.

And the "decisions" these people will make is to continue to not buy EVs. That's not just "logical" that's how it's been playing out. And X is not really doing anything. The only real thing that is "universally" supported is SpaceX.

I'm not saying they are going to "shut down" tesla, I'm saying his current q supporters are not buying his cars, and they won't in the near future. Or ever. And the people who did get EV's because of global warming, it seems that those customers are drying up for him- as he's pushing the exact opposite of dealing with global warming.

He's making choices that will impact him over the long term.

First of all Musk is worth over a quarter of a trillion dollars...Tesla won't bring him down.

Second HE DOESNT CARE IF PEOPLE BUY HIS CARS! You keep pretending he has some love affair with Tesla. He doesn't. He didn't create it, it's not his baby, it's a company he bought and obviously doesn't care about. He will take everything out of it he can and let it flounder and die if he so chooses. There is no consequences for people who cannot go broke. He never cared about climate change or the environment...it was all a phucking hustle so he could pretend to be the next Steve Jobs.

If he cared about people buying his cars, he would have supported Build Back Better. But he knew then and he knows now that once EVs are cost effectively made by the big boys...Tesla becomes less valuable. He will sell it to some other company and laugh all the way to the bank. SpaceX and Starlink aren't going anywhere and he knows it.

You keep thinking he will wake up on January 20th and go "well that was fun, but now back to business!" like he was some 28 year old who went on a bender over a 4 day weekend. He isn't, he isn't very smart, he isn't very savvy he just has a lot of money so he can afford to screw it all off. This isn't a phase, this isn't a strategy or a bet, this is who he is. He is a narcissist who believes what his worshippers tell him and who has burned away most of his logical brain on massive drug use. He is a rich troll who would be an incel gamergate loser if he hadn't been born rich


Put it this way...the guy literally told advertisers to "f off" because they were leaving over the right wing nonsense he promotes to his followers for the lulz...do you really think he cares if people buy his cars?
 
Numbers out of Pennsylvania and NC are not great either for Trump. Politco says Pennsylvania it's seniors lagging in the early vote and a pollster analyzed the NC data and found NC GOP voters are lagging in the Trump districts hit by Helene while Dems are way up there...

Meanwhile Trump is accusing pollsters like NYT/Siena of voter suppression cause that makes sense. And also is going full on rants against Faux :eek:
 
I saw a bit on MSNBC about the Iowa Poll...and how now that might be a harbinger of things happening in other states. Intimated (based on nothing) we now have to watch NH because it was close in 2016...

They basically did "Harris is leading in Iowa, here is why that might be bad for her". :rolleyes::cool:

Trump's own boy Corey the Noem fukker told him he wasn't gonna win NH.
 
I can't remember if this was discussed by Wired has an article where people were contracted to door knock for Musks superpac and flown to Michigan but were not given the specifics of who they were working for or canvassing for. They were given vague info until they signed an NDA. Then they were told they were knocking for Trump. They were driven around in the back of a U-Haul and told if they didn't connect with like 20% of the people in person they were at risk of having their motel rooms not paid for. They also didn't have licenses to drive so they had no way to leave...

These people are not normal. This is not going away.
 
If the banks call the loans on Twitter, Twitter crashes.

But the banks won't do that, because the banks will lose a lot of money in the process.

He is going to make more on his Tesla Bonus than he and the banks will lose on Twitter. It's the Saudis who may get upset. The banks will right it off...

Twitter is a drop in the ocean for Musk which is why he bought it on a whim with zero due diligence. He bought it to burn it.
 
Numbers out of Pennsylvania and NC are not great either for Trump. Politco says Pennsylvania it's seniors lagging in the early vote and a pollster analyzed the NC data and found NC GOP voters are lagging in the Trump districts hit by Helene while Dems are way up there...

Meanwhile Trump is accusing pollsters like NYT/Siena of voter suppression cause that makes sense. And also is going full on rants against Faux :eek:

I've heard the same nonsense about NH and VA today too. Just insane horse race garbage.
 
If the banks call the loans on Twitter, Twitter crashes.

But the banks won't do that, because the banks will lose a lot of money in the process.

Whats the saying, if you owe the bank $100,000, they own you. If you owe the bank $10,000,000, you own them?
 
Twitter is a drop in the ocean for Musk which is why he bought it on a whim with zero due diligence. He bought it to burn it.

Musk got caught with his pants down on the Twitter deal. He offhandedly said he would buy Twitter and Jack Dorsey said "Bet." He tried to weasel his way out of the deal and then found others *cough*Saudi's*cough* with deeper pockets to bankroll his "purchase."
 
I've heard the same nonsense about NH and VA today too. Just insane horse race garbage.

Virginia? NH I could buy cause it is so small but Virginia? I get a lot of that state is scary but not nearly enough. Even with some weird poll I never heard of that has it tied 538 has her +6.

You know when someone makes an argument and is proven wrong but they keep trying to find ways they could be right or that they are wrong for different reasons they couldnt control? That is what corporate media is going through right now in real time.
 
Musk got caught with his pants down on the Twitter deal. He offhandedly said he would buy Twitter and Jack Dorsey said "Bet." He tried to weasel his way out of the deal and then found others *cough*Saudi's*cough* with deeper pockets to bankroll his "purchase."

Yeah that was great. His followers basically dared him...he offered 2x what it was worth (actually more) and the Twitter Board said yes right away. Then they put in poison pills to stop him from backing out or trying to tank the stock so he could get it cheaper. I mean it would have cost a billion just to walk away...

Oh and of course he still hasn't paid out the severance on some of the employees he canned...because he is a fascist d-bag.
 
Is that the same NBC News poll that has it tied 49-49? How many uneducated White Men did they talk to?
 
I can't remember if this was discussed by Wired has an article where people were contracted to door knock for Musks superpac and flown to Michigan but were not given the specifics of who they were working for or canvassing for. They were given vague info until they signed an NDA. Then they were told they were knocking for Trump. They were driven around in the back of a U-Haul and told if they didn't connect with like 20% of the people in person they were at risk of having their motel rooms not paid for. They also didn't have licenses to drive so they had no way to leave...

These people are not normal. This is not going away.

Almost sounds like...........human trafficking
 
If you want to see why the GOP is cooked going forward and will not be able to get this stink off watch Tim Scott on CNN. These are the people that are left in the GOP...

(If Trump loses)
 
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