2024 Elections: One Last Chance for Democracy

[Handyman]

Once this is all over, will Musk even bother taking dumpy's calls? If he looses, will he be able to help or do anything for elmo? And elmo seems of similar mind of dumpy, so he'll drop him like a hot potato.

The timing of the sale matters a lot for the orange man. He needs it more than his worshipers.

And I know he will sell, I don't think it will be before Tuesday night.

He might have some proxies sell before Tuesday...especially if his people are sharing the numbers with him. Not enough for people to notice though.

And yes Musk will take his calls. They are joined at the hip now Musk has tied his entire legacy to Trump and Trump's fans. Musk thinks he is going to be a kingmaker and he needs Trump for that. Plus Musk needs the Trumpers to back him when the DOJ comes calling.

 

[MichVandal]

He might have some proxies sell before Tuesday...especially if his people are sharing the numbers with him. Not enough for people to notice though.

And yes Musk will take his calls. They are joined at the hip now Musk has tied his entire legacy to Trump and Trump's fans. Musk thinks he is going to be a kingmaker and he needs Trump for that. Plus Musk needs the Trumpers to back him when the DOJ comes calling.

He needs to sell about half of what he has (in current value) to cover his known debts. So even if there's a proxy, it will be really obvious.

Do all of the dumpsters really like elmo that much? I'm not so sure they will help him, especially since he just got paid 87B from Tesla. Musk has a lot of worshipers, too, but not the same people as dumpy.

It really sucks that we have to keep dealing with him because SpaceX is the current reliable way to launch anything big. But that's for a different thread.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Once this is all over, will Musk even bother taking dumpy's calls? If he looses, will he be able to help or do anything for elmo? And elmo seems of similar mind of dumpy, so he'll drop him like a hot potato.

The timing of the sale matters a lot for the orange man. He needs it more than his worshipers.

And I know he will sell, I don't think it will be before Tuesday night.

If Trump loses, he becomes utterly powerless. You watch, it'll be "Donald who?" from congressional reps and the senate

 

[LynahFan]

If Trump loses, he becomes utterly powerless. You watch, it'll be "Donald who?" from congressional reps and the senate

Absolutely. He’ll be on the other end of “barely knew the guy. Let me introduce you to my good friends Ron and Vance.”

Of course, the number of receipts that exist are numbered in the millions….

He’s obviously not running in ‘28, and a 2-time loser who couldn’t even beat a woman in sexist America is going to have no behind-the-scenes influence. One he loses, he is an existential threat to the GOP, so the establishment will - must- find its backbone and kick the entire rotten lot to the curb.

 

[MichVandal]

Absolutely. He’ll be on the other end of “barely knew the guy. Let me introduce you to my good friends Ron and Vance.”

He’s obviously not running in ‘28, and a 2-time loser who couldn’t even beat a woman in sexist America is going to have no behind-the-scenes influence. One he loses, he is an existential threat to the GOP, so the establishment will - must- find its backbone and kick the entire rotten lot to the curb.

IMHO, there's a better chance that he'll obliterate the current r party. Too many of his minions have gotten power for them to just go away.

 

[LynahFan]

IMHO, there's a better chance that he'll obliterate the current r party. Too many of his minions have gotten power for them to just go away.

You could be right. Either way, I am here for the RWNJ-on-MAGA violence that will ensue.

 

[Handyman]

He needs to sell about half of what he has (in current value) to cover his known debts. So even if there's a proxy, it will be really obvious.

Do all of the dumpsters really like elmo that much? I'm not so sure they will help him, especially since he just got paid 87B from Tesla. Musk has a lot of worshipers, too, but not the same people as dumpy.

It really sucks that we have to keep dealing with him because SpaceX is the current reliable way to launch anything big. But that's for a different thread.

He isn't selling...if he was going to he would have when it spiked a week back. What makes you think he ever plans on paying off his debt? What in his history as a businessman or human being says he plans to make good on what he owes? The guy hasn't even paid a campaign debt in 10 years. You really need to stop listening to corporate media who pretends debt weighs on this guy ever. The man has ripped off every bank in the US and a ton abroad he aint paying nobody nothing. Whatever he sells he will keep the cash. Hell the RNC is already paying some of the debts and will be forced to pay more. He will just keep fleecing the idiots and laughing at articles saying he is in trouble.

And yes, you are completely naive if you don't think at least half the Republican Party and all of Trump's fans don't love Musk. Musk is straight up bribing them to register to vote and those losers are the ones buying Cyber Trucks now. They don't give a crap who paid him or what companies he runs they care is a moron who believes everything he reads on the internet and is worth more money than should ever be allowed. Musk's fans converted to Trumpers the second Musk did they all do whatever he says. Christ Musk came out against expanding EVs in the US and they love him for it even though it will hurt his company and what used to be their priorities.

Musk and Trump are the same...losers who people pretended were smarter than they were because they were born on 3rd base and stood on the shoulders of better people. The people who worship them are the same...brain dead people who listen to anyone who they believe is smarter than they are. Its full on cult of personality and that is why they had no issue loving Trump. These people are so dumb Musk is going to talk them into believing the election was stolen and do something stupid about it. Hell I bet half of them threw a bunch of crypto on Polymarket because of stuff Elmo amplifies about Trump.

You seem to want to use logic to define the illogical...don't. None of this can been viewed through a logical lens...these people believe Democrats control the weather because idiots like Musk say so.

 

[Handyman]

Absolutely. He’ll be on the other end of “barely knew the guy. Let me introduce you to my good friends Ron and Vance.”

Of course, the number of receipts that exist are numbered in the millions….

He’s obviously not running in ‘28, and a 2-time loser who couldn’t even beat a woman in sexist America is going to have no behind-the-scenes influence. One he loses, he is an existential threat to the GOP, so the establishment will - must- find its backbone and kick the entire rotten lot to the curb.

Wanna bet? That is what people have been saying for 4 years now.

He won't run, but if he is alive (or not in prison) they will kiss the ring short of another January 6th happening. It is going to take more than 1 election cycle to clear out this cancer and as long as people like MTG and Gaetz are in the Party (not to mention people like Emmer and Johnson in Leadership) Trump will go nowhere...they won't let him.

The House GOP is run by people who legit cannot quit him. He is not Mitt Romney or some generic Republican they can walk back...they tied their entire legislative agenda to trying to destroy the people against him while not even attempting to pass any real bills. They couldn't even elect a Speaker without him...and then ousted the guy they did elect for not doing enough to help Trump. (and cause Gaetz is a pedo) They didn't even "Hardly knew the guy" him after January 6th they still said (and still do say) that the election was shady. Some openly say they think fraud happened...4 friggin years later. Whatever medical grade weed you are smoking please send my way because I want to live in that world.

The Republican Party is going nowhere...and the current version is now the only version. There is not one person in that party that can win a Presidential Election right now and the Dems have receipts for days when in 3 years Marco Rubio or Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis try the "Not Trump" game. Hell the primaries will come down to who can convince the Trump voter they are the most like Trump. That is all that is left in most of these states they even ousted the Neo-cons from the Party. The only people who might be able to kill the GOP is the old guard GOP starting a new party because the stink of this is not coming off for a very long time.

 

[MichVandal]

He isn't selling...if he was going to he would have when it spiked a week back. What makes you think he ever plans on paying off his debt? What in his history as a businessman or human being says he plans to make good on what he owes? The guy hasn't even paid a campaign debt in 10 years. You really need to stop listening to corporate media who pretends debt weighs on this guy ever. The man has ripped off every bank in the US and a ton abroad he aint paying nobody nothing. Whatever he sells he will keep the cash. Hell the RNC is already paying some of the debts and will be forced to pay more. He will just keep fleecing the idiots and laughing at articles saying he is in trouble.

And yes, you are completely naive if you don't think at least half the Republican Party and all of Trump's fans don't love Musk. Musk is straight up bribing them to register to vote and those losers are the ones buying Cyber Trucks now. They don't give a crap who paid him or what companies he runs they care is a moron who believes everything he reads on the internet and is worth more money than should ever be allowed. Musk's fans converted to Trumpers the second Musk did they all do whatever he says. Christ Musk came out against expanding EVs in the US and they love him for it even though it will hurt his company and what used to be their priorities.

Musk and Trump are the same...losers who people pretended were smarter than they were because they were born on 3rd base and stood on the shoulders of better people. The people who worship them are the same...brain dead people who listen to anyone who they believe is smarter than they are. Its full on cult of personality and that is why they had no issue loving Trump. These people are so dumb Musk is going to talk them into believing the election was stolen and do something stupid about it. Hell I bet half of them threw a bunch of crypto on Polymarket because of stuff Elmo amplifies about Trump.

You seem to want to use logic to define the illogical...don't. None of this can been viewed through a logical lens...these people believe Democrats control the weather because idiots like Musk say so.

Just want to point out that r's don't buy EVs. So even if they like elmo, they are not supporting him. Some are buying, but given they are very, very much campaigning against EV, yea.

And about half of elmo's original worshipers were going EV because of being green- which is anti-r. So all of that early worship is shrinking.

Even if half of dumpies worship elmo, that's less than he started with, and not enough to run Tesla- since not many of them buy new cars, let alone EVs.

Oh, and how is twitter doing? I thought that was really underwater financially.

The only company that he has that isn't hanging on the election is spaceX.

 

[mookie1995]

Only way the donald isn’t running in 2028 is if he is dead.

 

[Kepler]

Let's just f-cking win and let the future and heart disease take care of itself.

 

[LynahFan]

Wanna bet? That is what people have been saying for 4 years now.

He won't run, but if he is alive (or not in prison) they will kiss the ring short of another January 6th happening. It is going to take more than 1 election cycle to clear out this cancer and as long as people like MTG and Gaetz are in the Party (not to mention people like Emmer and Johnson in Leadership) Trump will go nowhere...they won't let him.

The House GOP is run by people who legit cannot quit him. He is not Mitt Romney or some generic Republican they can walk back...they tied their entire legislative agenda to trying to destroy the people against him while not even attempting to pass any real bills. They couldn't even elect a Speaker without him...and then ousted the guy they did elect for not doing enough to help Trump. (and cause Gaetz is a pedo) They didn't even "Hardly knew the guy" him after January 6th they still said (and still do say) that the election was shady. Some openly say they think fraud happened...4 friggin years later. Whatever medical grade weed you are smoking please send my way because I want to live in that world.

The Republican Party is going nowhere...and the current version is now the only version. There is not one person in that party that can win a Presidential Election right now and the Dems have receipts for days when in 3 years Marco Rubio or Nikki Haley or Ron DeSantis try the "Not Trump" game. Hell the primaries will come down to who can convince the Trump voter they are the most like Trump. That is all that is left in most of these states they even ousted the Neo-cons from the Party. The only people who might be able to kill the GOP is the old guard GOP starting a new party because the stink of this is not coming off for a very long time.

Hey, I’m totally fine with Option A (Trump is an existential threat to the party and the party burns itself down instead of kicking him out). I just can’t see it. There hasn’t been a new major party in the US in 175 years. The system is so rigged in favor of the existing duopoly that my head cannot wrap itself around the idea of the old guard GOP being able to succeed in starting a new party. They would have a much greater chance of success, the way I see it, to hijack the smoking hulk of the existing GOP instead. The only way to do that is to rid the GOP of Trump first.

it may very well end up that Lara Trump and her band of merry thieves keep their stranglehold on the party. If they can, they’ll continue raiding the GOP coffers for the enrichment of the Trumps, but they won’t have a chance in hell of electing so much as a dog catcher. I, for one, very much look forward to the permanent Democratic majority that will follow if the GOP can’t rid themselves of the parasitic Trumps.

 

[Kepler]

If Trump loses, he becomes utterly powerless. You watch, it'll be "Donald who?" from congressional reps and the senate

I think you underestimate that his army of yokels is loyal to him, personally, specifically. Every R has to kiss up to him forever. I saw a trillion Dump lawn signs driving through rural Maryland, Pennsylvania, and New York this weekend. I barely saw a single downticket R sign.

This is a cult. The Leader can never fail, he can only be failed.

 

[bronconick]

If Trump loses, he becomes utterly powerless. You watch, it'll be "Donald who?" from congressional reps and the senate

That's how it was by about January 8th, 2021. Then McConnell refused to finish the kill by convicting and McCarthy went down to Mar-A-Lago to kiss his ring by the end of the month. Trump runs the GOP until he dies now. It's free grifting money.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

This was a heck of a read, thanks for posting it.

It would honestly make a fantastic HBO film, but only after we've all enjoyed a long, well-deserved break from thinking about that fcking douch3bag at all. I'm thinking about 30 years to life.

 

[dxmnkd316]

I think you underestimate that his army of yokels is loyal to him, personally, specifically. Every R has to kiss up to him forever. I saw a trillion Dump lawn signs driving through rural Maryland, Pennsylvania, and New York this weekend. I barely saw a single downticket R sign.

This is a cult. The Leader can never fail, he can only be failed.

See that's interesting because I saw more down ballot signs than Trump signs on the drive to Duluth.

 

[Handyman]

Just want to point out that r's don't buy EVs. So even if they like elmo, they are not supporting him. Some are buying, but given they are very, very much campaigning against EV, yea.

And about half of elmo's original worshipers were going EV because of being green- which is anti-r. So all of that early worship is shrinking.

Even if half of dumpies worship elmo, that's less than he started with, and not enough to run Tesla- since not many of them buy new cars, let alone EVs.

Oh, and how is twitter doing? I thought that was really underwater financially.

The only company that he has that isn't hanging on the election is spaceX.

Musk is the richest man in the world...if every business he owned went under tomorrow he would be just fine.

If Musk cared he would have never been on stage with a guy who wants to shut Tesla down and owns a tech company that is in opposition to Musk. Musk lost his mind years ago and is in an addiction spiral thanks to his God complex and heavy Ketamine usage.

Stop pretending these people make rational decisions they dont.

 

[Handyman]

See that's interesting because I saw more down ballot signs than Trump signs on the drive to Duluth.

Look at all the people at Trump rallies wearing garbage bags...they don't care about any race but his and what he tells them to care for. He made sure only loyalists remain. All of the Suppressive People (Scientogy reference) are gone and deemed traitors.

Why do the Dems control the Senate? Because the GA GOP is not nice enough to Trump. He owns that party.

Lynah,

I don't think a new party comes (just hypothesized what could end the Trump Old Party) i just think the GOP has poisoned themselves to a point that will be hard to come back from. (If he loses) Even if I thought they could or would fix it...we saw after 2012 they aren't serious about fixing the flaws in their strategy. They care too much about money and power to do what must be done and what their own people told them they needed to do to update the party and get more voters long term. They were told to abandon social issues and focus on fiscal responsibility and such. They doubled down on bigotry and Boomer grievances, then lost, AND DID IT AGAIN! Until they exise the Evangelicals and certain corporate interests they will be exactly what they are right now and will only get older and less relevant.

 

[Handyman]

I saw a bit on MSNBC about the Iowa Poll...and how now that might be a harbinger of things happening in other states. Intimated (based on nothing) we now have to watch NH because it was close in 2016...

They basically did "Harris is leading in Iowa, here is why that might be bad for her".

 

[LynahFan]

Look at all the people at Trump rallies wearing garbage bags...they don't care about any race but his and what he tells them to care for. He made sure only loyalists remain. All of the Suppressive People (Scientogy reference) are gone and deemed traitors.

Why do the Dems control the Senate? Because the GA GOP is not nice enough to Trump. He owns that party.

Lynah,

I don't think a new party comes (just hypothesized what could end the Trump Old Party) i just think the GOP has poisoned themselves to a point that will be hard to come back from. (If he loses) Even if I thought they could or would fix it...we saw after 2012 they aren't serious about fixing the flaws in their strategy. They care too much about money and power to do what must be done and what their own people told them they needed to do to update the party and get more voters long term. They were told to abandon social issues and focus on fiscal responsibility and such. They doubled down on bigotry and Boomer grievances, then lost, AND DID IT AGAIN! Until they exise the Evangelicals and certain corporate interests they will be exactly what they are right now and will only get older and less relevant.

I still just can’t quite get there. An insane message + Trump = 46.8% of the vote (in 2020). If Trump loses and then doesn’t run in 2028, can they, would they really try insane message without Trump? Even if Trump hand picked and enthusiastically endorsed the nominee, would people really turn out for someone other than the cult leader (to Kepler’s point)? I don’t think so. I
think they’d be looking at 41% territory - ie Jimmy Carter 1980. They must surely know that, but can they admit it to themselves and try to get rid of the insane message? If they want to try, step 1 is to purge the Trumps.

it’s a win-win for me - either GOP stays insane and gets 41% for the foreseeable future, OR the GOP pivots and moves the Overton window left by 50 years to become competitive again. I’m good either way.