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2024 Election Thread
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French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
I take back what I said about Chuck just posting cartoons all of the time. Seeing Whalers attempt to formulate his own ideas, I realize the former is the lesser of two sads.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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If Zoomers sit at home with their thumbs up their arses, and Trump wins, they are entitled to no whining about the consequences whatsoever. When the choice is continued fragile democracy or full-bore fascism, you don't get to stay home because Biden supports Israel being allowed to respond to a terrorist attack, or because he failed to unilaterally forgive your student loans (a power he doesn't have), or whatever.
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Slap Shot
I got nothing
Yeah that doesn't address the issue though. Telling them to gfy doesn't save the country from another 4 years of Trump.
The Democrats (and maybe Tay Tay) need to get the younger gen to vote. En masse.
I know lots of people who have voted for Trump but are not MAGA chuds. That's not who I'm talking about. My point is that there are a lot of voters that typically vote Republican, but did not in 2020 because Trump. Their only meaningful choice was Biden, so many of them switched their votes to him. Give those same people - upon whom we all rely on to avoid another Trump win - a third choice and Biden's razor-thin margin of victory disappears.
A Cheney voter isn't a Trump voter, but could be a Biden voter. That's my point.
A Cheney voter isn't a Trump voter, but could be a Biden voter. That's my point.
aparch
Well-known member
I feel like this guy raises good points, yet I feel like it's flirting with conspiracy theory territory...
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8mkyKbH/
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8mkyKbH/
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
No. It's the opposite. Open up Biden to more and more voters who won't vote for the Dems because they are co-opted by the same sleaze that Cheney is. Move Left to capture the voters who are currently unserved.
The Dems followed the GOP trying to pick up their leavings for 40 years and all it got them was disillusioning people with both parties and moving the entire American political edifice to the Right. With Obama we began to break that cycle. We have been winning since despite GOP cheating. Keep doing that.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
I see this kind of guy every day. You know what they all have in common? They don’t *ing vote.
They b*. They whine. They act like they’re the smartest person in the room. They don’t *ing vote.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
The point is the reasons they are supposedly not going to (even though another poll last week said the opposite because polls are stupid) are things they can't just wave a wand and fix. The US is not going to abandon Israel (especially after Hamas broke the ceasefire) and they aren't going to be able to just wipe away the debt for the Art History Majors at NYU. Every other issue the Dems are right in line with what the Zoomers want, if they aren't going to vote then nothing the Dems say to them is going to change that.
BTW they are going to vote...they are just whining now because it is a year out.
I read an interesting article last night...not sure how accurate the story was but it was written by the prof involved so for now I will choose to believe it. Anyways, he wondered if the students on his campus who were chanting "from the river to the sea" had any idea of what the entomology of the phrase was. He surveyed 200 students and most had no clue. He explained the history of it. The majority of the students flipped allegiances after they got a bit of a history lesson of how the ME was prior to the Millennium.
All this is to say, the youth are obviously very erratic. They are full of passion and pizz and vinegar and also light on facts. I think of the things people protested when I was in college and just shake my head at the stupidity. The more educated they get the more they act rationally. Right now the 2024 Election is still a hypothetical. We havent even started Primary Season yet and the likely GOP nominee isn't even debating the rest of the field...who are just having WWE style yell-a-thons with less substance. It is easy to say "I won't vote for Biden in November" because there is no other choice to offset it. When the GOP pick their brand of Fascist to run it will become a completely different animal. I may be wrong but I dont see women aged 18-29 refusing to vote for Biden and risking an all out assault on their rights by the full force of the Federal Government. I don't see Muslim youth (despite some loud ones who are getting lots of headlines) sitting out and risking putting into office any one of the many candidates on the Right who will openly speak of deporting them. Right now they dont have to deal with any of that...but sooner or later they will. And if they choose to make the wrong decision, then they can phuck all the way off. Same with Jews who vote out Dems who are pro ceasefire or women who dont vote Dem. My empathy dies when you openly choose to shoot yourself in the dick.
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
That guy can eat a bag of dicks. The "both sides are the same" BS died a long time ago and the Dems are nothing like MAGA. That prick doesn't even realize he is the ultimate sheep and hasn't had an original idea probably since kindergarten. Azzhole probably falls for every Russian/Chinese bot post he sees on social media. And as Jim said, he probably couldn't even tell you where he is supposed to go to vote.
I used to know guys like him...they would rail about how the environment is all that matters then openly not vote for the people who are at least trying to protect it (Dems) which usually leads to the people who could give 2 chits about it (GOP) to win. Then when they are called out couch it in some BS logical fallacy about how they standing up for their principles and are on righteous side while basically ensuring that Climate Change will kill us all. He thinks the only way to win is to get 100% of what you want and if you can't then the only winning move is not to play.
I wonder how he posted that video...perhaps on his cellphone? None of those clothes look like they hemp derived or sustainable. You can smell the hypocrisy all over that tool and the pr!cks who commented below.
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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I continue to enjoy my stance of never downloading or viewing TikTok
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Biden didn't win because a bunch of Cheney voters voted for him. (anecdotal evidence notwithstanding) If that were the case he would have won by an even bigger margin. Most of the Cheney/Bush/Reagan voters still voted GOP or just left it blank it was covered extensively after the election. Same thing happened with MAGAts and non-Trump endorsed candidates.
The Dems can have nothing to do with Cheney or her voters. She is against pretty much everything they stand for socially, fiscally and militarily. If there had not been an Insurrection she would still be in Congress and be voting with Trump on every issue. The Dems need to stop embracing all of these "former" GOPers like her and Cassidy Hutchinson and Mitt Romney. They aren't on our side, they aren't even in the middle. They were/are the standard bearers for a GOP that was still pretty evil before Trump. If we let them in the tent we become the beggars of our own demise.
Handyman
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I only view it when aparch posts it. If I want foreign propaganda I can go to Twatter. (although it is seeping onto Threads as people flee) I don't much care what the Chinese want me to believe.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
He lost me earlier than this, but when he cited the fact that the democrats had 344 seats in the house for the 75th congress, I really really don't think it was because they had a 90% tax. pretty sure it's because people were starving in the streets and the republicans had controlled congress for like 40 years.
He also forgot to mention that this was the third congress with 60%+ democrats and that this continued up until the 77th congress.
He's also wrong on the timeline. The trend to 50:50 didn't start around Clinton. It started around the 75th congress, coincidentally.
more stats: Roughly 75% of congresses since the civil war have been 60-40 or closer. 70-30 has only happened three times. 55-45 is roughly 33%. The only times you really saw more than 60:40 were after the civil war (duh) and the Great Depression.
Also, democratic control has dropped significantly since the civil rights movement. This has nothing to do with intentionally losing. This has everything to do with chicken in every pot and old fashioned American racism.
im not intending to dogpile you aparch, but what points that he made were good?
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
I'm not sure that's entirely true. When you account for turnout of the last several elections prior, you still come out about 10,000,000 votes for Biden that weren't there for democrats in the three to five elections preceding 2020. You get to about 68-71 million votes. Biden got 81 million. Donald Trump still got 74 million in 2020, up 12 million. Biden was up 16 million from Clinton and Obama.
I don't have the time to look at state-by-state and party turnout, but I'll admit those certainly could prove you correct.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Nothing on you. That guy was so in character I almost paused the video and said “dude, it’s your turn. Are you going to go?” out of habit.
rufus
rock and roller
You probably also had 10 million or more new eligible voters.
I'm not saying Biden shouldn't embrace a progressive platform. I'm not saying we should just say "don't care, we're moving on and moving on in this direction".
My point is that we - democracy-loving people that don't want another Trump administration - need to be aware of any non-Trump alternative.
My point is that we - democracy-loving people that don't want another Trump administration - need to be aware of any non-Trump alternative.
- RFK Jr will mostly pull from Trump votes because he's a loon and is tracking towards the MAGA chuds.
- Liz Cheney will pull Trump votes, some of whom would have gone to Biden, some of whom would have been no-votes. The amount of either is up for debate. I contend that she would pull many Biden votes from non-MAGA legacy Republicans who are disgusted by Trump and might vote Biden.
- No Labels Party would mostly pull from those middle voters who despite Trump but get all weird about voting for a Democrat. This, to me, is much more an issue than a Liz Cheney "true, legacy, principled Conservative" candidacy. I absolutely agree with The Lincoln Project that a No Labels candidate virtually guarantees another Trump win.
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