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Your program's Mount Rushmore

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No need for a Wisconsin poll. There are maybe a half dozen players that would be worthy candidates, but two of them turned into pretty good coaches (and are also all-time top scorers to boot). We're set at our four.
 
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Here is what has been nominated so far:

North Dakota: Ben Cherski, Greg Johnson, Jeff Panzer, Dean Blais, Gino Gasparini, Tony Hrkac, Ralph Engelstad, Ryan Duncan, Zach Parise, Matt Greene, Jonathan Toews, Karl Goehring, Eddie Belfour, Jon Casey
Western Michigan: Harry Lawson, Bill Wilkinson, Dan Dorian, Wayne Gagne
Quinnipiac: John Lahey, Jack McDonald, Rand Pecknold, Reid Cashman
Harvard: Bill Cleary, Joe Cavanagh, Lane McDonald, Scott Fusco, CJ Young, Mark Fusco, Bob Cleary
Wisconsin: Bob Johnson, Mike Eaves, Mark Johnson, Bill Howard, Jeff Sauer
Brown: Robert Gaudreau, Yann Danis, Jim Fullerton, Donald Whiston, Curt Bennet, Bill Gilligan, Bob McIntosh
RPI: Ned Harkness, George Servinis, Frank Chiarelli, Mike Addesa, Adam Oates, Pres. Houston, Darren Puppa, Joe Juneau
New Hampshire: Tim Horst, Nathan Martz, Matt Dzieduszycki, Brian Yandle, Travis Banga, Eddie Caron, Josh Ciocco
Northeastern: Art Chisholm, Jom Martel, Dan McGillis, Jason Guerrerio, Fern Flaman, Bruce Racine, Wayne Turner
Denver: Murray Armstrong, Keith Magnuson, Matt Carle, Bill Masterton, George Gwozdecky, Ron Grahame
Maine: Shawn Walsh, Grant Standbrook, Paul Kariya, Jimmy Montgomery, Garth Snow, Scott Pellerin, Mike Golden, Eric Weinrich, Chris Imes, Bob Corkum, Jimmy Howard, Harold Alfond
Cornell: Ken Dryden, Ned Harkness, Joe Nieuwendyk, Lance Nethery
Michigan State: Amo Bessone, Ron Mason, Ryan Miller, Kip Miller
Michigan Tech: John MacInnes, Tony Esposito, John Kosiancic, Garry Bauman, Mike Zuke, Al Karlander, Lou Angotti, Jamie Ram, Bruce Riutta, Hank Akervall
SCSU: Ludwig Andolsek, Frank Brimsek, Herb Brooks, Bret Hedican, Brendan J. McDonald, Matt Cullen, Mark Parrish, Ryan Lasch, Garret Raboin
Duluth: Brett Hull, Bill Watson, Jack Connolly, Mike Sertich, Chico Resch, Jim Johnson, Mark Pavelich, John Harrington, Tom Kurvers, Derek Plante, Curt Giles
Notre Dame: Lefty Smith, Dave Poulin, Jack Brownschidle, Jeff Jackson
Boston College: Snooks Kelly, Jerry York, Joey Mullin, Brian Gionta
Providence: Lou Lamoriello, Ron Wilson, Chris Terreri, Rob Gaudreau, Tim Army, Gates Orlando, Mike Boback, Kurt Kleinendorst
Merrimack: Fr. Paul Thabault, J. Thom Lawler, Ron Anderson, Mark Dennehy, Rejean Stringer, Jim Vesey, Jim Hrivnak, Joe Cannata
Alabama-Huntsville: Jared Ross, Cam Talbot, Derek Puppa, Doug Ross, Scott Munroe, Mario Mazzuca, Jim Harris
Northern Michigan: Rick Comley, Tom Laidlaw, Steve Bozek, Scott Beattie, Don Waddell, Bill Joyce, Gary Emmons, Walt Kyle, Steve Weeks
BU: Jack Parker, Jack Kelley, Jack Garrity, Jack O'Callahan, Chris Drury, Matt Gilroy, Mike Eruzione, Rick Meagher, Jim Craig, John Cullen, Vic Stanfield, Bob Brown, Dick Rodenheiser, Jack Ferreira
Miami: Lloyd Goggin, Steve Cady, Rico Blasi, Dan Boyle, Ryan Jones, Andy Miele, George Gwozdecky
LSSU: Bud Cooper, Ron Mason, Jim Dowd, Doug Weight, Brian Rolston, Blain Lacher, Jeff Jackson, Cris Dahlquist, Darren Madeley, Rick Comley
Bowling Green: Jack Vivian, Jerry York, George McPhee, Brian Hills, Galley Ellett, Brian Holzinger, Nelson Emerson, Ron Mason, Ken Morrow, Mike Emrick
Penn State: Joe Battista, Terry Pegula, John Dufford, Lynn Sipe
Vermont: Tim Thomas, John LeClair, Martin St. Louis, Eric Perrin, Patrick Sharp, Aaron Miller
Ohio State: Paul Pooley, Jamie Macoun, Ryan Kesler, RJ Umberger
Michigan: Red Berenson, Vic Heyliger, Brendan Morrison, Marty Turco
Alaska-Anchorage: Brush Christianson, Rob Conn, Mike Peluso, Curtis Glencross, Dean Larson, Derek Donald, Justin Johnson
Massachusetts-Lowell: Dwayne Roloson, Jon Morris, Mike Carr, Bill Riley
AIC: Dave Forbes, Gary Wright, Tom Mullen, Kevin Wortman, Guillaume Caron, Mike Smith, Jeff Arnold
Massachusetts: Jon Quick, Thomas Pock, Greg Mauldin, James Marcou
Holy Cross: Tony Quesada
Mankato: Don Brose, David Backes, Shane Joseph, Grant Stevenson, Tim Jackman, Ryan Carter
Colorado College: Don Lucia, Peter Sejna, Marty Sertich, Julie Penrose, Cheddy Thompson
Bemidji State: Bob Peters, Joel Otto, Gary Sargent, Jim McElmury, Mark Eagles, Mike Alexander, Scott Johnson, Rod Heisler, Matt Read
Ferris State: Bob Daniels, Dr. Ewigleben, Taylor Nelson, Chris Kunitz, John Gruden, John DePourcq, Andy Roach, Paul Lowden, Peter Lowden
Air Force: Eric Ehn, Tim Kirby, Jacques Lamoureux, Frank Serratore, Vic Heyliger, Chuck Delich
Union: Ned Harkness, Nate Leaman, Jeremy Welsh, Brock Matheson
RIT: Wayne Wilson, Simon Lambert, Jared DeMichael, Dan Ringwald, Chris Tanev, Cameron Burt, Jocelyn Guimond

List of schools with no nominees:
Nebraska Omaha
Alaska
Dartmouth
Yale
Princeton
Colgate
Canisius
Bentley
Army
Mercyhurst
Niagara
Uconn
Robert Morris
Sacred Heart

Schools with incomplete list of nominees:
Holy Cross

Schools with complete (19 nominees) list of nominees:
Minnesota
St. Lawrence
Clarkson
(To see these nominees, refer to post #25)
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I think the fun thing is that everyone will have their own criteria for how they select their 4. Ultimately, we'll see how everything shakes out, but I don't think I would select 5 for a Mount Rushmore.
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how about 4 to be on the statue and one to be the sculptor? ;)
 
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I would add a few names to the Wisconsin list as I believe the Top 3 are locks with Badger Bob, Mark Johnson and Eaves. But while I think Howard is defintely deserving of a spot you could add:

Marc Behrend 49-8-3 Career Recrod and twice the NCAA Tourney Most Outstanding Player
Chris Chelios - Almost more so for his after college resume, which was also pretty strong for 2 seasons
Theren Welsh
 
Re: Your program's Mount Rushmore

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
No need for a Wisconsin poll. There are maybe a half dozen players that would be worthy candidates, but two of them turned into pretty good coaches (and are also all-time top scorers to boot). We're set at our four.
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Robbie Earle thinks he should be considered!


As far as Mark Johnson, are we giving him credit for what he did as a Badger player or all the other stuff also? I love what he's done with the women's program and of course he was the top scorer in 1980, pro career etc, but does that make him a top 4 for the Badger men's hockey program? I'm not saying that he isn't, but I guess I wonder about the criteria. What they did while at UW, for UW, or what they did in their lifetime in hockey?

Again, not saying that he shouldn't be and it's hard to find other players from different eras that were as good. Just wonder about everyone on our Mt. coming out of the 70's when so much good happened afterwards. But, a Mt. Rushmore is probably a tribute to those who set the stage for what followed.



Badger Bob - first on the list and obvious choice

Eaves - From that era, he probably edges Mark Johnson and then you have his title as HC. He's up there.

Bill Howard? Yeah I know. Goaltender U and all that, but I wonder about this selection. I think there are several players and Sauer that could edge Howie.


Okay, so add Barry Alvarez to our list. :p
 
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Since no one appears to be stepping up for Holy Cross:
Paul Pearl has been their coach for 17 years, shepherded the program from Independent status into the MAAC/AHA and won 2 regular season crowns, three tournaments and two NCAA appearances.
Tyler McGregor was their leading scorer in the 2005-6 season and averaged almost a point per game for his career.
Their arena is named for Rev. Francis J. Hart who was in charge of the intramural sports program for more than 40 years.
 
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I will add Tyler Euverman, Dave Burkholder, Peter Bournazakis, Steve Toll, and Jerry Galway to RIT's list of nominees.


Powers &8^]
 
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Gurtholfin said:
Robbie Earle thinks he should be considered!


As far as Mark Johnson, are we giving him credit for what he did as a Badger player or all the other stuff also? I love what he's done with the women's program and of course he was the top scorer in 1980, pro career etc, but does that make him a top 4 for the Badger men's hockey program? I'm not saying that he isn't, but I guess I wonder about the criteria. What they did while at UW, for UW, or what they did in their lifetime in hockey?

Again, not saying that he shouldn't be and it's hard to find other players from different eras that were as good. Just wonder about everyone on our Mt. coming out of the 70's when so much good happened afterwards. But, a Mt. Rushmore is probably a tribute to those who set the stage for what followed.



Badger Bob - first on the list and obvious choice

Eaves - From that era, he probably edges Mark Johnson and then you have his title as HC. He's up there.

Bill Howard? Yeah I know. Goaltender U and all that, but I wonder about this selection. I think there are several players and Sauer that could edge Howie.


Okay, so add Barry Alvarez to our list. :p
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I don't see Eaves over Johnson in any way for playing days. Remember his numbers compared to Eaves were in 3 years compared to Eaves full 4 years. Yet he still scored 31 more goals and only 11 less points. He never scored less then 80 points in a season and average over 2 points per game and one goal per game in his career. I do think Eaves is also a lock. I think your point of what the criteria is affects someone like Chelios more, as if it's his UW career then he would not be a selection.
 
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Badgers1 said:
I don't see Eaves over Johnson in any way for playing days. Remember his numbers compared to Eaves were in 3 years compared to Eaves full 4 years. Yet he still scored 31 more goals and only 11 less points. He never scored less then 80 points in a season and average over 2 points per game and one goal per game in his career. I do think Eaves is also a lock. I think your point of what the criteria is affects someone like Chelios more, as if it's his UW career then he would not be a selection.
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After more reflection, I agree that MJ deserves a bust.

I will say however that I wouldn't measure the Eaves v. Johnson debate on scoring alone. Eaves was a 3 time captain and his work ethic from that time is legendary (at least to Eaves). In taking the total of ability and intangibles, I would give Eaves the nod. Snipers are great, captains who can score are often greater (slightly).

Bill Howard though? I guess. Whatever...

It can be hard to compare a four year (or less) player with someone who was around for so long and who helped so many goalies who in turn helped the program.
 
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Mankato:
Don Brose
David Backes
Steve Carroll
Shane Joseph
Tom Kern
B.J. Abel
Pat Carroll
Ryan Carter

Hard to pick four. If they must be from the D1 era, though, then that narrows it down some.
 
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Koho said:
Since we are just nominating people, and Butzy is on the list, I say add Aaron Broton as he was the best player on the team the year his brother won the Hobey. (Didn't he have like 72 points as a rookie, and 104 as as a Soph?)

And what about Tim Harrrrrrrrrrrrreeerrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Mike Crowley?

But I'd probably go with the 1st four mentioned.
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I'd rather we keep the list to 10 or less. I loved Crowley but wouldn't take him over at least 4 others. Tim Harrer had great stats but what % of average fans knew his name before Miracle came out? A. Broten should have got the Hobey but his brother brings the cache. Butsy I'm pretty ok with though getting consideration...
 
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Now that Minnesota, Clarkson, and St. Lawrence each have 19 nominees, I will be starting their polls in the next few days. The polls will stay open for 35 days. Also, for those of you who have not yet voted for what program you follow, please visit the Polls thread and cast your vote. That way, you will get more say in who makes your program's mount rushmore.

In the poll thread to vote for the players, I will post a brief bio on what I know (or can find out) of the players that have been nominated. Please feel free to add more to these bios.
 
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RE: Wisconsin

I guess it's up to the indvidual to decide what criteria to use. I'm taking a big picture approach in terms of impact on the program and on hockey in general.

Therefore, I would say:
Badger Bob - seems to be little debate

Mike Eaves - contributions as a player are at the top of any list, add in coaching success and he makes the cut

Mark Johnson - certainly contributions as a player - plus the 1980 Olympics, which haven't been mentioned - asst coach for the men and, yes, head coaching success for the women. Taking "Wisconsin hockey" in a broad sense, I think those efforts are suitable for consideration

Bill Howard - If I had to pick a goalie, it would be Behrend or Richter. But given the outstanding lineage of goalies - plus my earliest memories of Badger hockey being Bill Howard and PB on the tape delay - I think he eclipses any individual goalie or other player.
 
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I'll add my two cents for BU. I wasn't around during his time, but I'm a little surprised to see Jack O'Callahan mentioned by not just one, but two posters.

In order of slam-dunkness, I would go with:

Jack Parker
Rick Meghear (How the bleep do you spell it?)
Jack Kelley
Chris Drury

The also getting votes would be:

Jack Garrity
Mike Eruzione
Matt Gilroy

The top four gets you the coach who might be the most obvious pick for this among all schools, the coach who brought the program to greatness, and the dominant player from the two most dominating eras of the program (70's and 90's).
 
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SteveP said:
Would you add Mike Emrick?
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OMG, how could I forget Doc?!? He makes those games on NBCSN so enjoyable to watch! They're not quite as good when the other broadcast team does them. Gotta love Doc and Edzo! The only problem is I am not sure who I would remove to put Doc in there. Ron Mason really got Bowling Green's program going in the mid to late 1970's and won a National Title with Michigan State in 1986, Jerry York led Bowling Green to a number of NCAA Tournaments and a National Title in 1984. George McPhee won the Hobey Baker and has been a successful GM for the Washington Capitals for a number of years, and then you have Ken Morrow, a member of the 1980 Miracle On Ice team. Many feel Morrow was the best D-man on that team, then he followed it up with the Islander dynasty by winning four Stanley Cups in a row from the 1979-80 season thru the 1982-83 season. Amazing, no team has come close to winning four cups in a row these days, which actually, is better for the NHL. I love the fact that anyone can win it all, well, except maybe my Blue Jackets (LOL).
 
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