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World Soccer XXVI: Fun for MLS Fans and Eurosnobs Alike

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Whelp, got tickets in the Supporter's Section to the Chicago Copa match today :D

Wanted to get Philly tickets too, but those were gone by the time I got around to looking... From the sounds of things it shouldn't be too hard to get tickets from other A.O. members.... Can't wait for this Summer!
 
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USSF Sues Womens National Team.

From reading things it sounds like the USSF wants to clarify whether they're still operating under the expired CBA from 2012 via a MOU or not. The key is, is that the 2012 CBA had a No Strike clause.

This Thread over at Bigsoccer has a nice roundup.

I kinda know what the WNT players end game is: they want "equal" pay. Problem is defining what is equal. Should they get the exact same terms as the MNT? Meaning the USSF no longer subsidizes their NWSL salaries (and effectively kills the NWSL) and they lose their "Victory Tour" as well? (Because the MNT players don't have their club salaries subsidized or get any "Tour" bs) Or do they get "equal" relative to revenue generated? (Which could cost them money)

The big thing to me is the selfishness of it. They basically want all the available money for them. Not any investment in youth development nor in a viable professional league, either of which could guarantee future employment for them. Instead it's just this feminist "equality!" rant. Like your NWSL teammates making $10K a season will be really happy you get the same rate as the MNT. Some equality.
 
Re: World Soccer XXVI: Fun for MLS Fans and Eurosnobs Alike

USSF Sues Womens National Team.

From reading things it sounds like the USSF wants to clarify whether they're still operating under the expired CBA from 2012 via a MOU or not. The key is, is that the 2012 CBA had a No Strike clause.

This Thread over at Bigsoccer has a nice roundup.

I kinda know what the WNT players end game is: they want "equal" pay. Problem is defining what is equal. Should they get the exact same terms as the MNT? Meaning the USSF no longer subsidizes their NWSL salaries (and effectively kills the NWSL) and they lose their "Victory Tour" as well? (Because the MNT players don't have their club salaries subsidized or get any "Tour" bs) Or do they get "equal" relative to revenue generated? (Which could cost them money)

The big thing to me is the selfishness of it. They basically want all the available money for them. Not any investment in youth development nor in a viable professional league, either of which could guarantee future employment for them. Instead it's just this feminist "equality!" rant. Like your NWSL teammates making $10K a season will be really happy you get the same rate as the MNT. Some equality.

I think its interesting, lets be honest, does it really make sense to pull these players away from their NWSL teams for the Victory Tour? Wouldn't it make more sense to have this Victory Tour after the NWSL season is over? You want people to go to NWSL, have the games include the national team players...not pull them away...

Depending on what they really want out of this, that goes a long way in determining how I feel about this situation.
 
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In the grand scheme of things, USSF (and America in general) is the last entity that should be attacked by feminists. They are doing a great job of providing opportunities for women and improving the notoriety of the sport of soccer around the world. The problem is much of the rest of the world doesn't care nearly enough to create the value necessary to perpetuate the $$$ earned by the men. Some of it is under valuing advertising in Canada/USA for the world cup itself but the biggest reason the Women's World Cup doesn't make the money that the Men do is because there is far less value in a large number of countries not named Canada/USA.
 
In the grand scheme of things, USSF (and America in general) is the last entity that should be attacked by feminists. They are doing a great job of providing opportunities for women and improving the notoriety of the sport of soccer around the world. The problem is much of the rest of the world doesn't care nearly enough to create the value necessary to perpetuate the $$$ earned by the men. Some of it is under valuing advertising in Canada/USA for the world cup itself but the biggest reason the Women's World Cup doesn't make the money that the Men do is because there is far less value in a large number of countries not named Canada/USA.
The USWNT has been used as a political pawn for feminists since at least the 96 gold medal. Some of it has good, the training facilities, stadiums, and pay has gotten a lot better, and some has been bad, essentially turning the WNT into a sorority and limiting it to a select few chosen by players and Nike.

When it comes to professional leagues it's even worse. Ego and a sense of entitlement killed two leagues and may kill another.
 
Re: World Soccer XXVI: Fun for MLS Fans and Eurosnobs Alike

Good Article on the subject

Biggest takeaway:
But the other complaints—the bonuses and the flights—rest on something of a false equivalency. This is the crux of the case. While it's true that the women do get much lower bonuses and tend to fly in a lower class, claiming gender discrimination is an oversimplification.

The men do indeed get bigger bonuses, but unlike the women, they don't draw a full-time salary from U.S. Soccer. The women's national team players are compensated as federation employees, an arrangement replete with benefits. At any given time, at least female 24 players are salaried in a tier system, paying them a base of $122,000, $101,000, or $86,000, depending on what level they are arranged into, per information released in the filing. (At least 18 players must be tier 1 at all times, and all Women's World Cup roster players are tier 1 for that year and the next.)

USWNT players are paid this flat sum—which combines both their national team salary and their federation-funded National Women's Soccer League pay—whether they are called onto the team and make it onto the field or not, so long as they retain their tier designation. Heather O'Reilly, for instance, was cut from the Olympic qualifying team but will remain a tier 1 player for 2016. And these figures don't include performance bonuses, ticket revenue sharing (which is equal to the men's), sponsorship appearances, or marketing and image compensation.

The men, on the other hand, are paid entirely in bonuses, which are larger. The women each get $75,000 for winning the World Cup or the Olympics, plus their share of the FIFA prize money, whereas the men got a multiple of that just for reaching the round of 16 at the 2014 World Cup. The men are only paid if they are called up, make appearances, and win games.

This means that, in reality, the earnings are much more equitable than they seem by merely laying bonuses side by side. According to a 2014 tax filing, Clint Dempsey, Geoff Cameron, Jozy Altidore, Tim Howard, and Jermaine Jones each made around $400,000. That's more than any woman, but that was in a World Cup year.

In the last Olympic year, 2012, Christie Rampone, Becky Sauerbrunn, and Alex Morgan were the top women earners at $275,000—more than any man that year. Incomes for 2015 haven't been made public yet, but one person familiar with the numbers estimates that the majority of the Women's World Cup squad will have cleared over $300,000, buttressed in part by the $1.8 million cumulative Victory Tour bonus, which is augmented by a cut of gate receipts. Certainly, that's still less than many men got in a World Cup year, but the women's earnings are more constant over the four-year cycle and less dependent on performance. The men, on the other hand, have a bumper year every four years, with much lower figures at other times and nothing at all if they're not called in.

As for the flights, they, too, require some context to fully understand. There is no disputing that the men have better travel conditions set out in their CBA, but they also tend to travel further. Historically and presently, a large part of the men's national team plays its club soccer in Europe, whereas the women are almost all employed stateside. That's why for their longer flights, men tend to fly in business class—although not always. For longer team trips, planes are often chartered.

The women are usually restricted to premium economy seats, with extra legroom, but also tend to fly shorter distances. From U.S. Soccer's standpoint, this is a matter of enabling performance. And the women's (disputed) CBA does lay out that players will use business class or a charter for Women's World Cup games and qualifiers that require more than three hours of flying. According to the source, the federation feels like it's been generous with upgrading the women when it has deemed it beneficial to their performance, even when the CBA doesn't require it.

To add: A USMNT player who goes to the training camp but doesn't make the gameday roster (of usually 18 players) only gets paid per diem and no bonus (it's a major point of contention with Klinsmann calling in veteran players but not putting them on the roster).
 
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Ya know, no one is forcing you to play soccer for a living.... If things are that horrible, go try and earn your six figure salary elsewhere... No one on the USWNT will come close to the money they make....

I view this the same way as MLB, NBA, NHL, ect. going on strike... Shut up and enjoy you getting to play a sport for a living....
 
Ya know, no one is forcing you to play soccer for a living.... If things are that horrible, go try and earn your six figure salary elsewhere... No one on the USWNT will come close to the money they make....

I view this the same way as MLB, NBA, NHL, ect. going on strike... Shut up and enjoy you getting to play a sport for a living....
It's even more annoying considering that if the USWNT refuses to play at Olympic Qualifying FIFA could potentially kick the US out of all competitions as punishment (i.e. no World Cup for the Men).
 
Ya know, no one is forcing you to play soccer for a living.... If things are that horrible, go try and earn your six figure salary elsewhere... No one on the USWNT will come close to the money they make....

I view this the same way as MLB, NBA, NHL, ect. going on strike... Shut up and enjoy you getting to play a sport for a living....

You could say that about any job about any union, minus the sports part.
 
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Ya know, no one is forcing you to play soccer for a living.... If things are that horrible, go try and earn your six figure salary elsewhere... No one on the USWNT will come close to the money they make....

I view this the same way as MLB, NBA, NHL, ect. going on strike... Shut up and enjoy you getting to play a sport for a living....

Obviously there will be nuances and cases of player vs. management/owner that differ but in general this is my feeling as well.
 
Re: World Soccer XXVI: Fun for MLS Fans and Eurosnobs Alike

Watching a livestream of an MLS preseason game between Seattle and LA at an empty StubHub Center. The hilarious optics of the two most popular MLS teams playing in an empty stadium...

edit: And it's pouring rain...
 
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Well that went about as splendid as it could have gone :rolleyes:

At least the game in Chicago won't be a dud...
 
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How come US airlines don't have primary uniform sponsorship?

I'm watching Arsenal (Fly Emirates) vs. Barcelona (Qatar Air).

Why can't United sponsor DC United? :)
 
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Because US Airlines have to compete for a living. They're not ego trips for the ruling monarchy.
 
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MLS Season has started!... Kind of. Quarterfinals of the CONCACAF Champions League started. All MLS vs Liga MX matches.

DC United v Querétaro right now
Seattle v Club America at 10 EST (both on FS1)

Tigres v Real Salt Lake
Santos Laguna v LA tomorrow.

Hopes are... not very high (I'm hoping Seattle just doesn't get blown out).
 
Re: World Soccer XXVI: Fun for MLS Fans and Eurosnobs Alike

MLS Season has started!... Kind of. Quarterfinals of the CONCACAF Champions League started. All MLS vs Liga MX matches.

DC United v Querétaro right now
Seattle v Club America at 10 EST (both on FS1)

Tigres v Real Salt Lake
Santos Laguna v LA tomorrow.

Hopes are... not very high (I'm hoping Seattle just doesn't get blown out).

Does Portland get a place in any tourneys for being defending champ?
 
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