Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

[XCTiger]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Because of the fact each of them play 12 games against top 15 caliber teams in the country in just their conference, I don't see why they need to schedule ridiculously hard NC games like Plattsburgh, Oswego, and Norwich are forced to do because their leagues are weaker.

Given that the rest of the "elite" teams in the east (as in geography, not league) have limited NC availabilty, the ECAC-W teams have to schedule whomever they can in order to fill out their schedule. Chances are they'd like (I assume here) to schedule Plattsburgh, Norwich, Midd, etc. but those teams are already committed. Rather than play each other 4 or 5 times, they play who they can.

I for one would love to see more variety and a lot less of the insular scheduling that we currently have.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Given that the rest of the "elite" teams in the east (as in geography, not league) have limited NC availabilty, the ECAC-W teams have to schedule whomever they can in order to fill out their schedule. Chances are they'd like (I assume here) to schedule Plattsburgh, Norwich, Midd, etc. but those teams are already committed. Rather than play each other 4 or 5 times, they play who they can.

I for one would love to see more variety and a lot less of the insular scheduling that we currently have.

Yes but for travel, money and competitive reasons it's impossible.

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Given that the rest of the "elite" teams in the east (as in geography, not league) have limited NC availabilty, the ECAC-W teams have to schedule whomever they can in order to fill out their schedule. Chances are they'd like (I assume here) to schedule Plattsburgh, Norwich, Midd, etc. but those teams are already committed. Rather than play each other 4 or 5 times, they play who they can.

I for one would love to see more variety and a lot less of the insular scheduling that we currently have.

Even your having said that,Elmira and Utica had the #1 and #4 SOS in the nation,respectively,last I checked...

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Any decent team should be able to win the majority of their games against Utica's and Manhatanvills powerful NC schedule....

Even you having said that,please note that Elmira and Utica have the #1 and #4 SOS in the nation,respectively,last I checked!

 

[UCBadger]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Even you having said that,please note that Elmira and Utica have the #1 and #4 SOS in the nation,respectively,last I checked!

Plattsburgh's SOS is #12, behind #5 Geneseo, #4 Morrisville, #10 Fredonia, #6 Cortland, #9 Potsdam, and of course #2 Oswego. (For the record, as of late Thursday night, Utica's SOS #3.)

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

The ECAC-West is probably the best D-3 conference in the country this year,but rest assured that they'll get screwed yet again on Selection Sunday.(Always happens.)That league reliably eats its own young,once the conference schedule is underway.

Isn't it perfectly ironic,how the D-3 selection process "works"?

One would expect a bit more of an egalitarian approach from an association of pricey liberal-arts schools,but what one actually sees is the bigger,blue-collar D-1 State schools being FAR more transparent in how they do things...The smoke-filled rooms are all in D-3.

 

[XYZ]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Please explain..?

 

[Dyce]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Even you having said that,please note that Elmira and Utica have the #1 and #4 SOS in the nation,respectively,last I checked!

Well yes, but that may be misleading given the place you're checking. Your numbers are accurate based on the KRACH, but using the NCAA's own criteria (in-region OWP and OOP only) against over-.500 teams mentioned in this thread:

- Plattsburgh beats Geneseo and Manhattanville in both categories
- Plattsburgh splits with Elmira, Morrisville, and Utica (admittedly, these teams do beat Plattsburgh based on the NCAA's professed 2/3-1/3 weighting when calculating SOS)
- Only Oswego beats Plattsburgh in both OWP and OOP

Also, since we're talking about schedule comparisons, and it is another NCAA criterion, it would probably be relevant to note that only Oswego and Utica have fared better against opponents common with Plattsburgh; the Cardinals win this category outright versus Elmira, Geneseo, Manhattanville, and Morrisville.

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Well yes, but that may be misleading given the place you're checking. Your numbers are accurate based on the KRACH, but using the NCAA's own criteria (in-region OWP and OOP only) against over-.500 teams mentioned in this thread:

- Plattsburgh beats Geneseo and Manhattanville in both categories
- Plattsburgh splits with Elmira, Morrisville, and Utica (admittedly, these teams do beat Plattsburgh based on the NCAA's professed 2/3-1/3 weighting when calculating SOS)
- Only Oswego beats Plattsburgh in both OWP and OOP

Also, since we're talking about schedule comparisons, and it is another NCAA criterion, it would probably be relevant to note that only Oswego and Utica have fared better against opponents common with Plattsburgh; the Cardinals win this category outright versus Elmira, Geneseo, Manhattanville, and Morrisville.

So,anyway,Utica and Oswego are looking like locks in this scenario..?(Of course,nothing is decided yet,what with so many games left to play.)

Thanks for your insight(sincerely),but somebody is gonna get screwed here by the end of the RS...That's a D-3 tradition!

 

[Artie12]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

The ECAC-West is probably the best D-3 conference in the country this year,but rest assured that they'll get screwed yet again on Selection Sunday.(Always happens.)

How do they always get screwed on selection sunday?

Let's look at the last 5 years...

09-10 - 1 Team
08-09 - 3 Teams
07-08 - 3 Teams
06-07 - 1 Team
05-06 - 3 Teams

3 Teams 3 different times! For a league that isn't big enough for an autobid! I'm sure a bunch of different leagues would like to get screwed as much as them.

 

[UCBadger]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

I think I played a video game once (or more) where I was driving a car around a track shaped something like this while other "players" were throwing (and shooting) things at me.

 

[collegehcky2]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

So,anyway,Utica and Oswego are looking like locks in this scenario..?(Of course,nothing is decided yet,what with so many games left to play.)

Thanks for your insight(sincerely),but somebody is gonna get screwed here by the end of the RS...That's a D-3 tradition!

Oswego? Yes. Utica? No.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

How do they always get screwed on selection sunday?

Let's look at the last 5 years...

09-10 - 1 Team
08-09 - 3 Teams
07-08 - 3 Teams
06-07 - 1 Team
05-06 - 3 Teams

3 Teams 3 different times! For a league that isn't big enough for an autobid! I'm sure a bunch of different leagues would like to get screwed as much as them.

+1

 

[CardsFan91]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Someone help me out here. When will we all find out when/if Utica got accepted or denied into the SUNYAC?

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Someone help me out here. When will we all find out when/if Utica got accepted or denied into the SUNYAC?

This summer.

 

[CardsFan91]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Thanks.

 

[elbojpb]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

Oswego? Yes. Utica? No.

Utica would be a lock only if they played in a different league. Oh .... right .... that's what they're attempting to do.

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

How do they always get screwed on selection sunday?

Let's look at the last 5 years...

09-10 - 1 Team
08-09 - 3 Teams
07-08 - 3 Teams
06-07 - 1 Team
05-06 - 3 Teams

3 Teams 3 different times! For a league that isn't big enough for an autobid! I'm sure a bunch of different leagues would like to get screwed as much as them.

(You guys who take the time to do your homework really suck the joy out of posting on here...)

I'll amend my opinion,and just say that the ECAC-W got screwed in 09-10 and 06-07.

 

[NUProf]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

(You guys who take the time to do your homework really suck the joy out of posting on here...)

I'll amend my opinion,and just say that the ECAC-W got screwed in 09-10 and 06-07.

Actually in 9-10, they were lucky to get one team in. They were saved by the Pool B bid.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: Utica to the SUNYAC? - Biggar's Column

(You guys who take the time to do your homework really suck the joy out of posting on here...)

I'll amend my opinion,and just say that the ECAC-W got screwed in 09-10 and 06-07.

Actually in 9-10, they were lucky to get one team in. They were saved by the Pool B bid.

My thought exactly, Prof. For those who weren't around here last year or don't remember, 09-10 was the first year the ECAC-W Champion was left out of the tournament. Manhattanville beat Elmira, but the RS Champ Soaring Eagles got the Pool B bid. As I remember it, the teams were virtually tied in the PWC department, so it was a bit controversial that Elmira got it ahead of Manhattanville. However, it was fairly obvious to everyone that the league would not have gotten any representation in the tournament last year has the MASCAC already had an AQ. For reference: As I remember, the ECAC-W managed to maintain a winning record in Inter-conference games with the SUNYAC, but only by a game. Consider the fact that they usually dominate in this category, and you will get an idea of what last year was like for them.