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Unrest in Egypt

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Oooooo...
When Qadafi,
When Qadafi threatens me,
I go to Rio....
De Janeiro
My oh me oh.....
I go wild and then I have to do the samba
and la BOMB-a! :D :rolleyes:

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Well, it's not like he's going to Libya to give orders. He makes a few phone calls and has the guys that know more about this stuff and have them get the outcome he and everybody else wants with minimal civilian casualites. Last thing we all need over there is somebody micromanaging things there. Especially with the opposition there and all.
 
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Obama grows a pair.
"This is the greatest opportunity to realign our interests and our values," a senior administration official said at the meeting, telling the experts this sentence came from Obama himself. The president was referring to the broader change going on in the Middle East and the need to rebalance U.S. foreign policy toward a greater focus on democracy and human rights.
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Clinton may have been concerned that the United States was losing the battle for the hearts and minds of the Arab youth at the heart of the revolution.
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U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon also said on Thursday that the justification for the use of force was based on humanitarian grounds, and referred to the principle known as Responsibility to Protect (R2P), "a new international security and human rights norm to address the international community's failure to prevent and stop genocides, war crimes, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity."
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He and his administration are earning my respect.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Well, it's not like he's going to Libya to give orders.
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Tell that to Chuck Todd, last night on NBC news I thought he was having a Chris Mathews moment. He literally gushed about how great it was that Obama could cut ceremonial ribbons in Brazil and run the operations in Libya. Couldn't believe what I was watching from a "reporter"
 
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So I haven't been following this too closely, but I just saw this tweet from BreakingNews:
Libyan gov't to distribute weapons to more than 1 million men and women within hours - Libyan state news agency via Reuters
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That's probably not good.
 
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walrus said:
Tell that to Chuck Todd, last night on NBC news I thought he was having a Chris Mathews moment. He literally gushed about how great it was that Obama could cut ceremonial ribbons in Brazil and run the operations in Libya. Couldn't believe what I was watching from a "reporter"
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Those aren't reporters. That is not journalism. B/w that and Faux news spewing the nonsense in the other direction it is no wonder that we have people who are so ignorant when they try to evaluate who should lead the country or what our policies should be.
 
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Patman said:
He will only gain my respect if and only if he does something positive for this country that he isn't otherwise forced to by politics or general optics.... He is being forced into this... As a result I seen no reason to respect this
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Interesting view that fascinates me. I would think that being able to re-evaluate something and react to it should be a skill most leaders should have. We just finished having someone who never wavered, even when faced with overwhelming evidence that the current thought was not working and was not going to end well. That left us in a hell of a mess. What ever the action a leader makes- if it is the correct one I don't care if they were 'forced into it' or not- at least they could acknowledge the need for a change. Why is it this is used as a sign of weakness or lack of character?

I am always a bit leery of 'reports' regarding the thought processes without the person saying it. Depending on who is doing the reporting the person thinks all sorts of things. Most of which they probably never thought of. Kind of reminds me of taking Literature whent they wanted to ell me why Charles Dickens had certain motives/ thinking. How did they know that??

Not sure how I feel about the US involvement but it has been managed in a way that we are a part of an action with wide support including the Arab leaders/countries rather than declaring something and taking all the heat.

So the reaction is predictable- those that do like the Prez will defend no matter what. Those that don't would have complained if he did nothing and now complain when he does something that he didn't do it the way they wanted (either it was too fast, too slow, not enough, too much) or that he isn't motivated correctly. Confirms my opinion that you must be certifiable to want to lead in a country so schizophrenic.
 
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oh cute, the Arab League, who came bawling at our door pleading with us to establish a no-fly zone is now condemning us. **** 'em. Pull out and tell them to sort it out themselves. They aren't worth it.
 
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Come on, dealing with this two-bit piece of **** dictatorship is a piece of cake. Just recruit this guy to take care of things.

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Hopkinja said:
Per the BBC, the French claim to have started flying sorties over Libya.

NPR said that the UN resolution wasn't just a no fly zone. The instructions were "protect Benghazi." Their correspondent said that amounted to carte blanche (French intentional) to act against Qadaffi's supporters.

And so, it begins.
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A Libyan caller into the BBC over the weekend made a good point, though. Nobody really understands what the full charter of this action is, and until they clarify it there's no way to know whether it's "working."

Qaddafi thanked the Germans for abstaining. I'm sure they appreciated that.

The "my response to all geopolitical events is to blow things up" types are happy, Obama's fans are happy with him being decisive, so I guess everybody's happy. Until something goes wrong and then he'll be "too liberal" / "too conservative" again. :rolleyes: ;)
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
oh cute, the Arab League, who came bawling at our door pleading with us to establish a no-fly zone is now condemning us. **** 'em. Pull out and tell them to sort it out themselves. They aren't worth it.
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You expected anything whatsoever from the Arab League? I fully expected them to start backtracking the moment anything was actually done in Libya.
 
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Kepler said:
Obviously, any critical statements by them are going to play right into a certain narrative.
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Just saying that the Arab League is one of the most feckless, least reliable international/regional organizations to hang your hat on. They have a long history of dithering amongst themselves on even relatively minor issues. Really, I was surprised they came out with the initial support statement. That's probably the most substantive thing they've ever done.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Just saying that the Arab League is one of the most feckless, least reliable international/regional organizations to hang your hat on. They have a long history of dithering amongst themselves on even relatively minor issues. Really, I was surprised they came out with the initial support statement. That's probably the most substantive thing they've ever done.
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I'll buy that. They do seem to be pretty bad, even by the standards of international organizations. It doesn't help them any in the western press that they're anti-Israel, though.
 
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Kepler said:
I'll buy that. They do seem to be pretty bad, even by the standards of international organizations. It doesn't help them any in the western press that they're anti-Israel, though.
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Depends. Some of the press isn't that favorable toward Israel anymore, becoming more supportive of the Palestinian cause in particular. Kind of like how the Dems are all over the place on Israel now, with some hewing to the traditional position of being very supportive, while others have become more critical of Israel as they've become more pro-Palestinian.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Depends. Some of the press isn't that favorable toward Israel anymore, becoming more supportive of the Palestinian cause in particular. Kind of like how the Dems are all over the place on Israel now, with some hewing to the traditional position of being very supportive, while others have become more critical of Israel as they've become more pro-Palestinian.
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I think that's true to some extent. Dems used to be pro-Israel on demographics when Republicans were, ahem, less supportive of religious diversity. Republicans started switching over to being pro-Israel in the 70's as "the enemy of my enemy (Arabic quasi-socialists) is my friend," then they went completely in the tank in the 80's when they realized there was a gold mine of dispensationalists in them thar hills.

Liberals starting backing away from Israel in the 80's because of the First Intifada, and the wheezy "radical chic" criticism has been applied as a thought-terminating cliché ever since to anyone with the temerity not to worship Likud. This gets really dicey when it's Israelis themselves who object to Likud, but NRO has the "self-hating Jew" label to cover that.

It would be nice if there was a middle ground where people realized that Israel is neither angel nor devil and, most importantly, that Israeli interests are not always identical with American interests. Both sides really bend themselves into pretzels to justify their straight ticket support or opposition. It's just another country -- we should support them when they're in the right and when it serves our interests.
 
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