XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Kind of surprised no one has corrected these yet considering they're both completely wrong, but there are three Pool C bids and the first NCAA regional rankings will be released on 2/17.
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The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
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Kind of surprised no one has corrected these yet considering they're both completely wrong, but there are three Pool C bids and the first NCAA regional rankings will be released on 2/17.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
This year is the same as last. Three C's and a B.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
http://www.uscho.com/stats/interconference/division-iii-men/2014-2015/
http://www.uscho.com/stats/interconference/division-iii-men/2014-2015/
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PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
First public NCAA rankings will be released on Feb. 17.
First public NCAA rankings will be released on Feb. 17.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
Since you deleted your little remark, I figured I'd share this for you:
Non Conference Wins By Opponents Winning %
NESCAC 0.478044118
ECACE 0.448307143
SUNYAC 0.436765714
ECACW 0.404565625
MIAC 0.373265385
WIAC 0.366756098
NCHA 0.338215385
So yes, (just as I always try to explain to you) while the ECAC West may pick up a few more wins, they are middle of the pack when it comes to just how good those teams are that they are beating....
Since you deleted your little remark, I figured I'd share this for you:
Non Conference Wins By Opponents Winning %
NESCAC 0.478044118
ECACE 0.448307143
SUNYAC 0.436765714
ECACW 0.404565625
MIAC 0.373265385
WIAC 0.366756098
NCHA 0.338215385
So yes, (just as I always try to explain to you) while the ECAC West may pick up a few more wins, they are middle of the pack when it comes to just how good those teams are that they are beating....
A few questions for you (and before you fly off on a rant and try to deduce my intentions and/or insult my intelligence...I'm just curious)....
Why aren't the rest of the D3 conferences listed? ( did you stop after a certain point?)
What is the source of the data you are listing - where could someone find this info?
The WIAC is next to last this list...do you draw the same conclusion regarding the quality of the OOC wins for that league as you do for the ECAC-W?
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
uscho.com, collegehockeystats.net, Excel 2010, some vlookup functions, and a few adding and subtracting. Figure out all the NC games all the teams played, find all the NC games they won, add up all their win% and divide by number of teams games. Sometime I will sit down and do the Loses and Ties, but that's where it is now. Granted things could change big time in the upcoming weeks still. I also want to do one that factors in SOS as well. A 13-4-1 ECACNE team probably isn't the same as playing a 13-4-1 ECAC West team. Teams like Canton are probably killing the SUNYAC SOS and the same with Aurora out West. Could I have missed a few, screwed up a number here or there? Sure. (Keep in mind I did not count the MIAC showcase games for the MIAC or any other conf vs conf NC matchups)
I was really shocked at the WIAC that it was that low. However when 12 of your wins are against Aurora, Finlandia, and Bethel it kills your win%. The ECAC West, while not having a ton of below .250 (3 I believe), doesn't have too many above .550 teams (4 I believe) in their win column either. The ECAC West is the one league that could really move up and down more so as they have a ton hovering right around the .500 mark.
Not a direct poke at the West. Just pointing out that while the ECAC West may have the best inter conference record, its not just how many wins but yet who they are coming against. Believe me, you can put Plattsburgh in that category as well, granted a starting goaltender injury (and a coach who was trying to figure out who his #1 was) play a part in it, come selection Sunday there are currently enough more deserving teams to grab a Pool C bid then Plattsburgh based on their criteria. Had Plattsburgh taken out Middlebury, Williams, and Geneseo even 2 more loses to Oswego they would still be in decent shape come NCAA time. Plattsburgh loses a lot of common opponent games with those 3 loses alone.
I'll try to behave...
Frankly time. I only did the major conference (ECACNE and MASCAC are primarily not contenders)
uscho.com, collegehockeystats.net, Excel 2010, some vlookup functions, and a few adding and subtracting. Figure out all the NC games all the teams played, find all the NC games they won, add up all their win% and divide by number of teams games. Sometime I will sit down and do the Loses and Ties, but that's where it is now. Granted things could change big time in the upcoming weeks still. I also want to do one that factors in SOS as well. A 13-4-1 ECACNE team probably isn't the same as playing a 13-4-1 ECAC West team. Teams like Canton are probably killing the SUNYAC SOS and the same with Aurora out West. Could I have missed a few, screwed up a number here or there? Sure. (Keep in mind I did not count the MIAC showcase games for the MIAC or any other conf vs conf NC matchups)
I was really shocked at the WIAC that it was that low. However when 12 of your wins are against Aurora, Finlandia, and Bethel it kills your win%. The ECAC West, while not having a ton of below .250 (3 I believe), doesn't have too many above .550 teams (4 I believe) in their win column either. The ECAC West is the one league that could really move up and down more so as they have a ton hovering right around the .500 mark.
Not a direct poke at the West. Just pointing out that while the ECAC West may have the best inter conference record, its not just how many wins but yet who they are coming against. Believe me, you can put Plattsburgh in that category as well, granted a starting goaltender injury (and a coach who was trying to figure out who his #1 was) play a part in it, come selection Sunday there are currently enough more deserving teams to grab a Pool C bid then Plattsburgh based on their criteria. Had Plattsburgh taken out Middlebury, Williams, and Geneseo even 2 more loses to Oswego they would still be in decent shape come NCAA time. Plattsburgh loses a lot of common opponent games with those 3 loses alone.
Bandersnatch .....had to look that one up! Nice 19th century reference!
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
I was kind of hoping you had not tallied all this together from home...and that this sort of data was available on one of the sites you listed and I simply hadn't ever seen it. That said, thanks for putting this together. It is definitely interesting...
I was kind of hoping you had not tallied all this together from home...and that this sort of data was available on one of the sites you listed and I simply hadn't ever seen it. That said, thanks for putting this together. It is definitely interesting...
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
I would say they are now out of the top 10. Plattsburgh was the only five-loss team in the top 10 (and only 1 of 2 five-loss teams in the top 15 with Eau Claire being the other). I think it is safe to say that SNC will drop out of the top 10. They are currently 2-3-1 against top 15 teams. If they lose tomorrow night they may drop out of the poll altogether.
I would say they are now out of the top 10. Plattsburgh was the only five-loss team in the top 10 (and only 1 of 2 five-loss teams in the top 15 with Eau Claire being the other). I think it is safe to say that SNC will drop out of the top 10. They are currently 2-3-1 against top 15 teams. If they lose tomorrow night they may drop out of the poll altogether.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
So, did you factor-out the losses these conferences have had to the W before you posted their winning %'s? Or did you run out of time again?
So, did you factor-out the losses these conferences have had to the W before you posted their winning %'s? Or did you run out of time again?
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PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
So, did you factor-out the losses these conferences have had to the W before you posted their winning %'s? Or did you run out of time again?
What are you talking about? Facts are facts, the ECAC West has wins over mediocre teams, only 4 wins against real quality teams. When you finally come to these terms (and facts) life will be much easier.
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
You may be generous with saying 4. I can only think of 2 OOC wins vs teams with a high win % (Hobart over Nichols and Neumann over Adrian). I'm going to guess your other two were Geneseo and St. Scholastica - teams that are truly better than their win % may indicate. Lots of ties and 1 goal losses, but few "high end" OOC wins this year for the W...
You may be generous with saying 4. I can only think of 2 OOC wins vs teams with a high win % (Hobart over Nichols and Neumann over Adrian). I'm going to guess your other two were Geneseo and St. Scholastica - teams that are truly better than their win % may indicate. Lots of ties and 1 goal losses, but few "high end" OOC wins this year for the W...
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
I was strictly going by winning%. I think it was like 4 teams above .650. Other leagues have 3 times that number but overall drop because of wins vs >.250 teams. Again this isn't a complete slam against the ECAC West, but "some" like to boast about all these nc wins yet the majority don't come against top competition. Does it make the ECAC West a weak league? Absolutely not. There are some very competitive teams.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: The polls - scratching KRACH, PWC, CoP and robbery! ...---...
The W has the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 8th, 12th and 17th ranked teams in terms of SOS. Easily the best of any D-3 conference. There ya go.
Champs, nobody here is saying that the W deserves a bid under the current selection criteria. Nobody. But clearly the objective data indicates that they are the best conference from top to bottom by any reasonable metric.
The W has the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 8th, 12th and 17th ranked teams in terms of SOS. Easily the best of any D-3 conference. There ya go.
Champs, nobody here is saying that the W deserves a bid under the current selection criteria. Nobody. But clearly the objective data indicates that they are the best conference from top to bottom by any reasonable metric.
PSUChamps2001
Member of the REAL Zoo Crew
The West has 4 wins over teams with a .650 winning %....might be even .550 I don't remember off the top of my head...I've explained it to you a million times, sos means crap when you have a league that racks up wins against mediocre competition. It raises everyone's sos because you then play those same "inflated nc win teams" 3 times.