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The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...

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mookie1995 said:
mookie thinks prisons should be segregated. murders go to their own. violent crimes another. white person (collar) crime to another.
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Although diversity is good.

Your plan for prisoners matches my plan for extremists. Put them all on an island and arm them with sporks.
 
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joecct said:
A respect that all human life is precious? Maybe more Dads in the house?
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Can't disagree. But is a societal solution there realistic?

Seems to me, telling someone they must register their gun is faar less intrusive than telling people how to live their lives and how to think. We value this thing called freedom in our country. And their is freedom and there is freedom.
 
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walrus said:
I'm fine with registration, 100% any gun dealer, at a show, at a shop should to run a back ground check and register the gun. I wouldn't have a problem with clip size restrictions also(depending on the size). I think banning "assault weapons" is a joke and is a feel good thing made for people who don't know anything about guns. You could mow down a whole class room of kids with a 30-30 just as well as one could with a AR 15.
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Now your talkin.

IMO AWs are one step. If you say, there are alternative ways to get off 60 rounds in a minute...address those next. We really don't need a round a second for hunting or defending our homes from criminals.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Now your talkin.

IMO AWs are one step. If you say, there are alternative ways to get off 60 rounds in a minute...address those next. We really don't need a round a second for hunting or defending our homes from criminals.
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As to the latter, why not? If he's ventilated, he's dead and no more problem in my house.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
So, uh, yeah. Those armed guards in school. Working out REAL well... :rolleyes:
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Everytime I hear about "armed guards" in schools I think about the hall monitor in the old Funky Winkerbean comic strip. Remember? The kid was armed with a .30 cal watercooled machine gun.

Once we get past the question of whether we should be using police officers for this job or rent-a-cops or even community volunteers, there's the little matter that whoever is guarding the front door had better have a bladder the size of a Voit basketball or a motorman's friend. And while he's guarding the front door, Adam Lanza can blast his way in through some other door. What I'm driving at here is it would take more than a single person to provide the level of protection being suggested by the NRA. More like a squad. With 100K schools, you're talking about a lot of manpower and an enormous expense. And even if you could provide something approaching perfect security in schools, why wouldn't the next Adam Lanza just go somehwere else to begin shooting?
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Was just going to post that. Point, NRA. Suck it Obama, you cocksucking piece of ****.
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Except disarming a 14-year old is not quite the same as taking down a psychotic shooter on a rampage. I'm guessing it was personal. There was a sheriff's deputy at Columbine, didn't seem to do much good. Putting armed people in every school would cost hundreds of millions. Wouldn't we be better off putting those resources somewhere so we could identify the next Adam Lanza before he shows up at school?

As to the sentiment about the president. I would never express myself so crudely about His Imperial Majesty Barack I.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Now your talkin.

IMO AWs are one step. If you say, there are alternative ways to get off 60 rounds in a minute...address those next. We really don't need a round a second for hunting or defending our homes from criminals.
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The amount of ignorance on this question of "automatic"weapons is staggering. So you're far from being alone in apparantly not knowing the difference between automatic and semi-automatic. None of the weapons in Feinstein's bill, I repeat, none of them are automatic. Because automatic weapons have been illegal and unavailable to the public for 75 years or more. The AR-15 for instance, is the civilian version of the M-16 and it can only fire one round for one trigger pull. It cannot fire on full auto (or in 3 round bursts). And none of the other so-called "assault" weapons can either. And just as the AR-15 can fire one round for one trigger pull, so can most "legitimate" hunting rifles (which also fire the identical ammunition and have exactly the same killing power). And all of these weapons, even with limits on magazine capacities, can get off 60 rounds a minute easily in the hands of a reasonably competent shooter. I fear this blurring of the distinction as between automatic and semi-automatic may, in some cases, be deliberate. Designed to influence lofo types.

I'll just mention in passing how arrogant and contempuous you and others are with this "we don't need" mantra. People buy these weapons because they want to. And they may use them for hunting or target shooting or just plinking. So what?

Having Gabby Giffords testifying, when she wasn't shot with an "assault weapon" is just another stunt designed to influence the ignorant. If Feinstein's bill had been the law of the land, it wouldn't have made any difference in what happened in Tucson. While everyone sympathizes with Ms. Giffords and what she went through, her experience is unrelated to the bill being offered. If the obvious nutball who shot her had had a net dropped over him, she and those other victims would have been spared their suffering.
 
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joecct said:
As to the latter, why not? If he's ventilated, he's dead and no more problem in my house.
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Like most liberals, in a growing number of circumstances, he's comfortable substituting his judgement for yours, with the power of the government to enforce his preferences.

Like most liberals, he would absolutely oppose social conservatives who would substitute their judgment for his in matters like art, books & movies. And he fails to see the irony that the thinking in both instances is exactly the same.
 
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joecct said:
A sane individual does not go into a movie theater with the intention to commit mayhem. A sane person will do anything in his/her power to defend his/her home and loved ones.
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Just make sure when the cops show up they only hear one story.
 
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Listen to this articulate, composed high school sophomore describing the murder of her best friend, Hadiya Pendleton. I was thinking today about that line (from Stalin?) one death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic. And how in "Schindler's List" Spielberg addressed that very problem by focusing our attention on the little girl with the red dress. The only color on the screen. And you saw the red dress as she was marched away to the camp. And you saw it again when her corpse was exhumed. For me, the loss of this outstanding young woman in Chicago, is my little girl in the red dress.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-hadiya-pendleton-0201-20130201,0,4698937.story
 
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mookie1995 said:
mookie thinks prisons should be segregated. murders go to their own. violent crimes another. white person (collar) crime to another.

no guards, no nothing. (have a shift of 8-10 guys with confiscated semi-automatic guns outside on patrol incase someone climbs a wall or digs a tunnel)

let the A types run the place.

tell them, "you have to produce X. if you produce what is required we will back up a trailer once a month with enough food for 30 days. heat, whatever. you have to let 'your' guys meet visitors. take care of the place. you f up, you'll be sorry (shoot a couple in the beginning from helicopters, send a message)".

they riot, kill each other. oh well. less food to buy for mci-scumbags.

let them obtain life lessons that can translate into regular society when they get out. meet production schedule, payroll, etc.

mookie will bring the punish back into punishment.
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So you want to send them all to Detroit?
 
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Old Pio said:
Everytime I hear about "armed guards" in schools I think about the hall monitor in the old Funky Winkerbean comic strip. Remember? The kid was armed with a .30 cal watercooled machine gun.

Once we get past the question of whether we should be using police officers for this job or rent-a-cops or even community volunteers, there's the little matter that whoever is guarding the front door had better have a bladder the size of a Voit basketball or a motorman's friend. And while he's guarding the front door, Adam Lanza can blast his way in through some other door. What I'm driving at here is it would take more than a single person to provide the level of protection being suggested by the NRA. More like a squad. With 100K schools, you're talking about a lot of manpower and an enormous expense. And even if you could provide something approaching perfect security in schools, why wouldn't the next Adam Lanza just go somehwere else to begin shooting?
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Well put. Even these lefties should understand the concept of the back door... unless of course their team wither sucks to much to use it, or they incessantly yell "SHOOT" during the power play...
 
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