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The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...

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5mn_Major said:
The right often sees facts as bias. Chicago actually does have a fairly moderate crime rate. Maybe its my fault for not posting 2 shootings in New Orleans for every Chicago post Pio makes.

Oh...and if its not assault and clips ban...or gun registration...what is your way to save lives?
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Sharks with freaking laser beams.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The right often sees facts as bias. Chicago actually does have a fairly moderate crime rate. Maybe its my fault for not posting 2 shootings in New Orleans for every Chicago post Pio makes.

Oh...and if its not assault and clips ban...or gun registration...what is your way to save lives?
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A respect that all human life is precious? Maybe more Dads in the house? Heck if I know, but what's out there right now -- all the laws, all the restrictions, all the punishments all the everything is not working.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I beg to differ. There are certain weapons that are specifically designed to kill mass quantities of humans in a matter of seconds. If those aren't assault weapons that I don't know what is.
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By your definition, my department-issued six-shot S&W revolver could have been considered an "assault weapon" because I could "kill mass quantities of humans" (six, or more with a lucky shot) in a matter of seconds (how long it took me to pull the trigger six times).

The LSM's use of the term is a canard, because there is no REAL definition of an "assault weapon."

From Timothy P. Carney, Senior political columnist of the Washington Examiner:

First, all guns can be used to assault someone – even a muzzle-loading black-powder rifle.

Second, Congressional attempts to define this term were laughably ad hoc.

A rifle could cease being an assault weapon if you sawed off the flash suppressor. It could become an assault weapon if you added a bayonet.

A 49-ounce handgun could be legal under this law while an identical version that was one ounce heavier could be outlawed.

I’m pasting the bill’s definition of “assault weapon” at the bottom of this post. The law didn’t target guns used for murder. It targeted guns that look too military-like.
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5mn_Major said:
The right often sees facts as bias. Chicago actually does have a fairly moderate crime rate. Maybe its my fault for not posting 2 shootings in New Orleans for every Chicago post Pio makes.

Oh...and if its not assault and clips ban...or gun registration...what is your way to save lives?
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Geez. If "obtuse" was an Olympic event, you'd be on the podium every time. Some of us are trying to have a serious discussion here. But you insist on your middle school trolling about New Orleans. Grow up, would ya?
 
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Talk about tragic irony. The 15-year old shot to death in Chicago a week after performing at the inauguration, made an anti-gang video when she was 11. She was an honor student at an elite prep school, heading to Northwestern. It breaks my heart that this beautiful child is gone, all because she was "in the wrong place at the wrong time."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-hadiya-pendleton-20130131,0,3647135.story
 
joecct said:
A respect that all human life is precious? Maybe more Dads in the house? Heck if I know, but what's out there right now -- all the laws, all the restrictions, all the punishments all the everything is not working.
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I disagree. Better policing tactics and enforement of laws has made Boston and New York City far safer places. That didn't just happen by accident or because of some wacky Freakonomics theory. It happened through hard work. Being a defeatist may help you sleep at night, but like far too many a conservative idea it has no practical application in the real world. Enforcing laws, like gun possession amongst others, gets these punks off the streets.

From the NRA's point man, caught in a lie...
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Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) reminded LaPierre that the NRA once supported checks with “no loopholes anywhere, for anyone.” So does the NRA favor closing the “gun-show loophole” that allows people to avoid background checks?

“We do not,” LaPierre replied.

His reasoning, as always, is that existing gun laws aren’t being enforced — but he seems to have pulled the evidence out of his gun barrel. “Out of more than 76,000 firearms purchases supposedly denied by the federal instant check system, only 62 were referred for prosecution,” LaPierre declared in his opening statement.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) looked up the actual statistic. “In 2012 more than 11,700 defendants were charged with federal gun crimes,” Whitehouse said, “a lot more than 62.”

LaPierre had been caught. “So those — the 62, senator, statistic, was for Chicago alone,” he clarified, a salient fact omitted from his original testimony.

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5mn_Major said:
The right often sees facts as bias. Chicago actually does have a fairly moderate crime rate. Maybe its my fault for not posting 2 shootings in New Orleans for every Chicago post Pio makes.

Oh...and if its not assault and clips ban...or gun registration...what is your way to save lives?
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I'm fine with registration, 100% any gun dealer, at a show, at a shop should to run a back ground check and register the gun. I wouldn't have a problem with clip size restrictions also(depending on the size). I think banning "assault weapons" is a joke and is a feel good thing made for people who don't know anything about guns. You could mow down a whole class room of kids with a 30-30 just as well as one could with a AR 15.
 
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walrus said:
I'm fine with registration, 100% any gun dealer, at a show, at a shop should to run a pick ground check and register the gun. I wouldn't have a problem with clip size restrictions also(depending on the size). I think banning "assault weapons" is a joke and is a feel good thing made for people who don't know anything about guns. You could mow down a whole class room of kids with a 30-30 just as well as one could with a AR 15.
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Yup. And I'd like to see states adopt something similar to Florida's 10-20-Life law. Slogan? "Use a gun and you're done." Big drop in gun crimes since it was enacted. But like vigorous enforcement of the death penalty, hard to extract data which "prove" its efficacy, given the overall decline in crime rates. Lots of factors involved. Demographics, economics, improved law enforcement, etc. On the other hand, putting a*sholes who wave guns around when they're robbing a 7/11 (or worse) under the prison doesn't bother me one bit.
 
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Old Pio said:
I would quote Alex Jones with great caution. And want to triple check his sources. The article you linked to is more than just a little hysterical.
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I agree the article is on the hysterical side, but the reference to the DHS request for bid appears to be legit (Breitbart also has a link to it), and does say they are for personal defense.
 
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Bill said:
I agree the article is on the hysterical side, but the reference to the DHS request for bid appears to be legit (Breitbart also has a link to it), and does say they are for personal defense.
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I think the phrase "personal defense" has different meanings in different contexts. The article refers to " 'roid head DHS goons." Hard for me to take seriously anyone who uses that kind of language. Just as it's hard to take seriously someone who referred to murdered ATF agents as "jack booted government thugs." IMO, they deserve each other. And give the vast majority of gun owners a black eye. 7,000 AR-15s works out to 140 per state on average. I won't lose any sleep.
 
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Old Pio said:
I think the phrase "personal defense" has different meanings in different contexts. The article refers to " 'roid head government goons." Hard to take anyone who uses that kind of language seriously.
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So....you're saying Fishy wrote the article?
 
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mookie thinks prisons should be segregated. murders go to their own. violent crimes another. white person (collar) crime to another.

no guards, no nothing. (have a shift of 8-10 guys with confiscated semi-automatic guns outside on patrol incase someone climbs a wall or digs a tunnel)

let the A types run the place.

tell them, "you have to produce X. if you produce what is required we will back up a trailer once a month with enough food for 30 days. heat, whatever. you have to let 'your' guys meet visitors. take care of the place. you f up, you'll be sorry (shoot a couple in the beginning from helicopters, send a message)".

they riot, kill each other. oh well. less food to buy for mci-scumbags.

let them obtain life lessons that can translate into regular society when they get out. meet production schedule, payroll, etc.

mookie will bring the punish back into punishment.
 
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mookie1995 said:
mookie thinks prisons should be segregated. murders go to their own. violent crimes another. white person (collar) crime to another.

no guards, no nothing. (have a shift of 8-10 guys with confiscated semi-automatic guns outside on patrol incase someone climbs a wall or digs a tunnel)

let the A types run the place.

tell them, "you have to produce X. if you produce what is required we will back up a trailer once a month with enough food for 30 days. heat, whatever. you have to let 'your' guys meet visitors. take care of the place. you f up, you'll be sorry (shoot a couple in the beginning from helicopters, send a message)".

they riot, kill each other. oh well. less food to buy for mci-scumbags.

let them obtain life lessons that can translate into regular society when they get out. meet production schedule, payroll, etc.

mookie will bring the punish back into punishment.
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mookie sounds like he's been in an Asian prison (or a Russian gulag).
 
mookie1995 said:
mookie thinks prisons should be segregated. murders go to their own. violent crimes another. white person (collar) crime to another.

no guards, no nothing. (have a shift of 8-10 guys with confiscated semi-automatic guns outside on patrol incase someone climbs a wall or digs a tunnel)

let the A types run the place.

tell them, "you have to produce X. if you produce what is required we will back up a trailer once a month with enough food for 30 days. heat, whatever. you have to let 'your' guys meet visitors. take care of the place. you f up, you'll be sorry (shoot a couple in the beginning from helicopters, send a message)".

they riot, kill each other. oh well. less food to buy for mci-scumbags.

let them obtain life lessons that can translate into regular society when they get out. meet production schedule, payroll, etc.

mookie will bring the punish back into punishment.
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I like the concept (it should be prison nit a country club) but not sure we want set the perfect criminal this would produce loose on the public. :D
 
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