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The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...
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Re: The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...
New analysis shows shooters in Chicago face criminal charges only 6% of the time. But if we ban "assault weapons," boy howdy things will improve.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2013...chicago-dont-face-charges?utm_source=outbrain
New analysis shows shooters in Chicago face criminal charges only 6% of the time. But if we ban "assault weapons," boy howdy things will improve.
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2013...chicago-dont-face-charges?utm_source=outbrain
FlagDUDE08
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Is this all shooters, or all shooters caught?
If the former is the case, I believe that speaks volumes to the issues of execution that these bans face. Plus, aren't those already banned in Chicago?
Is this all shooters, or all shooters caught?
If the former is the case, I believe that speaks volumes to the issues of execution that these bans face. Plus, aren't those already banned in Chicago?
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And, now that Hillary is free from the administration, she can snipe (bad choice of words?) at BHO's failures, setting herself up to become the first FLOTUS to POTUS (I know what she said, but did she mean it?).
Appointments to the NLRB may be an interesting side show.
And, now that Hillary is free from the administration, she can snipe (bad choice of words?) at BHO's failures, setting herself up to become the first FLOTUS to POTUS (I know what she said, but did she mean it?).
GopherBigGuy911
The one you hate to love
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http://www.startribune.com/nation/189046761.html Meanwhile in Chicago, IL - Just another day, another body.
http://www.startribune.com/nation/189046761.html Meanwhile in Chicago, IL - Just another day, another body.
I can't imagine she won't poll the race just to see where she stands. If she's in Ike in '52 territory (who was in a position where BOTH parties wanted him as their nominee) I can't see her passing up the chance.
FlagDUDE08
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Considering what Ike had done a decade prior to make Americans proud to be Americans, of course anyone was going to want him as their candidate. Hillary is still very polarizing, and we're in a much different America that is basically on the brink of War Between the States II. Now, if Miracle on Ice had happened recently, and Herb Brooks wanted to run for President, he'd be in the same position as Eisenhower.
Considering what Ike had done a decade prior to make Americans proud to be Americans, of course anyone was going to want him as their candidate. Hillary is still very polarizing, and we're in a much different America that is basically on the brink of War Between the States II. Now, if Miracle on Ice had happened recently, and Herb Brooks wanted to run for President, he'd be in the same position as Eisenhower.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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she is going to be ooooolllllllddddddd (sadly, men age better. i think mitt was almost 70 but looked approaching 50
).
i'd have no real problem having her in charge. she is one tough broad and wouldn't think twice about f 'ing with someone. certainly tougher than bubba. no hemmin' and hawin' with her either. get 'er done!! (learned her lesson from the screw up on the health care first go around. THAT was the time to do it)
she is going to be ooooolllllllddddddd (sadly, men age better. i think mitt was almost 70 but looked approaching 50
).i'd have no real problem having her in charge. she is one tough broad and wouldn't think twice about f 'ing with someone. certainly tougher than bubba. no hemmin' and hawin' with her either. get 'er done!! (learned her lesson from the screw up on the health care first go around. THAT was the time to do it)
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Perhaps fewer dead.
If we can't solve one problem or all the problems...we shouldn't try to solve any. Just one of many times where the right has no solution.
Perhaps fewer dead.
If we can't solve one problem or all the problems...we shouldn't try to solve any. Just one of many times where the right has no solution.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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lady on news tonight, from Chicago, all 4 of her kids killed by bullets in Chicago, the news tells the story(very sad BTW) and then pans to a table full of "assault weapons", as if they all got shot by rifles, how to skew the news NBC
Neither does the left, throw stuff at the wall and hope something sticks. Banning Assault weapons will do diddly squat
lady on news tonight, from Chicago, all 4 of her kids killed by bullets in Chicago, the news tells the story(very sad BTW) and then pans to a table full of "assault weapons", as if they all got shot by rifles, how to skew the news NBC
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It doesn't take too many lives to make something worth it. Keep clinging to your belief that there is nothing that can be done to save lives. The right remains the ideology of 'no'.
Houston and Buffalo have a higher rate of gun murder than Chicago.
As a matter of fact, 10 major cities have a higher rate of gun murder than Chicago, according to the CDC.
New Orleans has a rate of death gun murder rate of over 5 times that of Chicago.
It doesn't take too many lives to make something worth it. Keep clinging to your belief that there is nothing that can be done to save lives. The right remains the ideology of 'no'.
Houston and Buffalo have a higher rate of gun murder than Chicago.
As a matter of fact, 10 major cities have a higher rate of gun murder than Chicago, according to the CDC.
New Orleans has a rate of death gun murder rate of over 5 times that of Chicago.
FlagDUDE08
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Buffalo also has tough gun laws.
BTW, FINALLY someone is covering Chicago. Of course, you'd probably be telling this person you'd like to buy a vowel...
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Buffalo also has tough gun laws.
BTW, FINALLY someone is covering Chicago. Of course, you'd probably be telling this person you'd like to buy a vowel...
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Edit -- of course, this could be one of the great scams of all time.
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Edit -- of course, this could be one of the great scams of all time.
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And that means what, exactly? That the murder rate in Chicago is acceptable? As I have explained many times and all but the thickest posters here understand, I'm concerned about Chicago because I'm from there. Far too many of our inner city neighborhoods are like Beirut. And how many of these gun murders are committed by "assault" weapons? Something approaching zero. So how will banning a made up category of weapons stop these punks from shooting and killing one another and the many innocent victims who happen to get in the way?
Of all of the moronic sentiments out there: "if it saves only one life" is right at the top of the list. Well, using that as the standard, let's ban trampolines. Or pogo sticks. Not to mention alcohol and cars. That sentiment is a bald faced invitation to unzip your head, take out your brain, and put it in the freezer. And proceed utterly on emotion. It's meritricious nonsense. And it surprises me not in the slightest that you would express it.
And that means what, exactly? That the murder rate in Chicago is acceptable? As I have explained many times and all but the thickest posters here understand, I'm concerned about Chicago because I'm from there. Far too many of our inner city neighborhoods are like Beirut. And how many of these gun murders are committed by "assault" weapons? Something approaching zero. So how will banning a made up category of weapons stop these punks from shooting and killing one another and the many innocent victims who happen to get in the way?
Of all of the moronic sentiments out there: "if it saves only one life" is right at the top of the list. Well, using that as the standard, let's ban trampolines. Or pogo sticks. Not to mention alcohol and cars. That sentiment is a bald faced invitation to unzip your head, take out your brain, and put it in the freezer. And proceed utterly on emotion. It's meritricious nonsense. And it surprises me not in the slightest that you would express it.
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Only the kind of person who would refer to the murders of 4 American diplomats as the "Benghazi thingy" would draw that conclusion from what I've repeatedly posted about the far more nuanced problems with guns. The idea of passing federal legislation on a "would ya take" basis ("let's see if this works") is precisely the kind of non-thinking you express just about every time you sit down at a keyboard.
Only the kind of person who would refer to the murders of 4 American diplomats as the "Benghazi thingy" would draw that conclusion from what I've repeatedly posted about the far more nuanced problems with guns. The idea of passing federal legislation on a "would ya take" basis ("let's see if this works") is precisely the kind of non-thinking you express just about every time you sit down at a keyboard.
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All shooters. Obviously very few shooters caught, escape without prosecution. As the article shows a big problem for the cops (and not just in Chicago) is the unwillingness of victims to help out. They're either planning their own retaliation or too afraid.
The crooked Illinois governor (but I repeat myself) who put a moratorium on executions was released from prison today.
All shooters. Obviously very few shooters caught, escape without prosecution. As the article shows a big problem for the cops (and not just in Chicago) is the unwillingness of victims to help out. They're either planning their own retaliation or too afraid.
The crooked Illinois governor (but I repeat myself) who put a moratorium on executions was released from prison today.
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walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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Do you work for NBC? you like to skew stuff also? Who said nothing could be done to save lives? Whatever that road is you commute on around the Twin Cities could be shut down, with all the shooting deaths that happen on that stretch of road(no doubt with "assault rifles") it would be a start. Don't look for the shooters, just shut the road down, that would save lives
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...
Always attack. Always argue tu quoque and ad hominem. Always change the subject.
But you are correct to say that any sort of gun ban doesn't solve the fundamental problem. I say start by strengthening the existing requirements - every sale, whether it's at a gun shop, gun show, a garage sale, or whatever, must go through a background check; no exceptions. Next, gun owners assume all responsibility for access to the family arms and ammo, and should be prosecuted if it turns out that they failed to take reasonable precautions to ensure that minors, non-owning family members, and intruders cannot access any guns in the household when the owner is not immediately present. That means a proper safe, trigger locks on each weapon in that safe, and keeping all the keys in a secure place separate from the safe. That also means educating everyone in the household about your ground rules and, when your kids is/are old enough (for sake of argument, let's say 12) and want to learn, instructing them in proper firearm handling, use, and maintenance. Can't afford it? Then you can't afford to responsibly own guns, and you deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if your kid blows his or someone else's head off with the .44 Mag he found stashed in your bedroom closet.
I think that's the start of a reasonable compromise that I would be willing to abide by as a gun owner myself, but of course you're going to have the lefties pontificating "think about the children" and that it's not enough. Meanwhile, you'll have the righties hollering that by increasing the costs of responsible ownership and potentially limiting access in an emergency situation, I'm denying people's second amendment and self-defense rights.
*head desk*
Always attack. Always argue tu quoque and ad hominem. Always change the subject.
But you are correct to say that any sort of gun ban doesn't solve the fundamental problem. I say start by strengthening the existing requirements - every sale, whether it's at a gun shop, gun show, a garage sale, or whatever, must go through a background check; no exceptions. Next, gun owners assume all responsibility for access to the family arms and ammo, and should be prosecuted if it turns out that they failed to take reasonable precautions to ensure that minors, non-owning family members, and intruders cannot access any guns in the household when the owner is not immediately present. That means a proper safe, trigger locks on each weapon in that safe, and keeping all the keys in a secure place separate from the safe. That also means educating everyone in the household about your ground rules and, when your kids is/are old enough (for sake of argument, let's say 12) and want to learn, instructing them in proper firearm handling, use, and maintenance. Can't afford it? Then you can't afford to responsibly own guns, and you deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if your kid blows his or someone else's head off with the .44 Mag he found stashed in your bedroom closet.
I think that's the start of a reasonable compromise that I would be willing to abide by as a gun owner myself, but of course you're going to have the lefties pontificating "think about the children" and that it's not enough. Meanwhile, you'll have the righties hollering that by increasing the costs of responsible ownership and potentially limiting access in an emergency situation, I'm denying people's second amendment and self-defense rights.
*head desk*
FlagDUDE08
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Or the cops arrest the victims for interfering with the investigation.
Or the cops arrest the victims for interfering with the investigation.
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I'd just like him to realize his choice of language was profoundly offensive under the circumstances. That's all. He was wrong and he should own up to it. It's a discreet obsession though, not a way of life.
Technology may be of some utility here with "smart" guns that can't be triggered by anyone other than the owner. The carnage among children killed by "accident" is horrific. But since those deaths are spread out over time and distance, they don't rate the headlines of Newtown. In much the same way we focus on the rare crash of an airliner but really don't notice the continuing slaughter on our highways. But as I've mentioned several times, there are more kids killed in gun accidents every year than have been killed in all school shootings put together. Rights carry with them responsibilities. Sadly way too many of us, including what I assume is a minority of gunowners, are willing to assert the former but are AWOL on the latter.
I believe prosecutors are reluctant to haul grieving parents in to court, reasoning that "they have been punished enough." Perhaps, but prosecutions could serve to remind others of their responsibilities.
Before the NRA went asiatic, and began implicitly condoning the killing of law enforcement officers, didn't they have a safety program? Eddie Eagle? Maybe they still do. But that's the kind of thing that could help. I believe in law there's a concept called "attractive nuisance." Construction sites, etc. And the requirement is you've got to take steps to defend against people, especially children, who might be attracted. Certainly a gun in a home would fit that template.
Mandatory gun safety and operating requirements? Which would lead, I suppose, to licensing.
Always attack. Always argue tu quoque and ad hominem. Always change the subject.
But you are correct to say that any sort of gun ban doesn't solve the fundamental problem. I say start by strengthening the existing requirements - every sale, whether it's at a gun shop, gun show, a garage sale, or whatever, must go through a background check; no exceptions. Next, gun owners assume all responsibility for access to the family arms and ammo, and should be prosecuted if it turns out that they failed to take reasonable precautions to ensure that minors, non-owning family members, and intruders cannot access any guns in the household when the owner is not immediately present. That means a proper safe, trigger locks on each weapon in that safe, and keeping all the keys in a secure place separate from the safe. That also means educating everyone in the household about your ground rules and, when your kids is/are old enough (for sake of argument, let's say 12) and want to learn, instructing them in proper firearm handling, use, and maintenance. Can't afford it? Then you can't afford to responsibly own guns, and you deserve to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law if your kid blows his or someone else's head off with the .44 Mag he found stashed in your bedroom closet.
I think that's the start of a reasonable compromise that I would be willing to abide by as a gun owner myself, but of course you're going to have the lefties pontificating "think about the children" and that it's not enough. Meanwhile, you'll have the righties hollering that by increasing the costs of responsible ownership and potentially limiting access in an emergency situation, I'm denying people's second amendment and self-defense rights.
*head desk*
I'd just like him to realize his choice of language was profoundly offensive under the circumstances. That's all. He was wrong and he should own up to it. It's a discreet obsession though, not a way of life.
Technology may be of some utility here with "smart" guns that can't be triggered by anyone other than the owner. The carnage among children killed by "accident" is horrific. But since those deaths are spread out over time and distance, they don't rate the headlines of Newtown. In much the same way we focus on the rare crash of an airliner but really don't notice the continuing slaughter on our highways. But as I've mentioned several times, there are more kids killed in gun accidents every year than have been killed in all school shootings put together. Rights carry with them responsibilities. Sadly way too many of us, including what I assume is a minority of gunowners, are willing to assert the former but are AWOL on the latter.
I believe prosecutors are reluctant to haul grieving parents in to court, reasoning that "they have been punished enough." Perhaps, but prosecutions could serve to remind others of their responsibilities.
Before the NRA went asiatic, and began implicitly condoning the killing of law enforcement officers, didn't they have a safety program? Eddie Eagle? Maybe they still do. But that's the kind of thing that could help. I believe in law there's a concept called "attractive nuisance." Construction sites, etc. And the requirement is you've got to take steps to defend against people, especially children, who might be attracted. Certainly a gun in a home would fit that template.
Mandatory gun safety and operating requirements? Which would lead, I suppose, to licensing.
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