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Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
Just talking about regular season games. Are they as good as Mercyhurst.
Just talking about regular season games. Are they as good as Mercyhurst.
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>>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
If you are referring to the ability to play with current D1 teams, then the only reference I have is when the RIT men made the transition. They were a top D3 team, but not national champs. In the first D1 year they were "in" games but had a well sub .500 record. In the second D1 season they were AHA regular season champions, but not eligible for post season. A few years later they were in the frozen four. (Note that when the move was announced there were many in the D3 world who thought the RIT men would never make it out of the cellar of the AHA without scholarships.)
I don't have any good sense of the level of play differences in women's hockey, but it seems reasonable to expect a very competitive team after a few years.
I know RIT is D3 national champions but what will happen next season. Will they be able to compete.
If you are referring to the ability to play with current D1 teams, then the only reference I have is when the RIT men made the transition. They were a top D3 team, but not national champs. In the first D1 year they were "in" games but had a well sub .500 record. In the second D1 season they were AHA regular season champions, but not eligible for post season. A few years later they were in the frozen four. (Note that when the move was announced there were many in the D3 world who thought the RIT men would never make it out of the cellar of the AHA without scholarships.)
I don't have any good sense of the level of play differences in women's hockey, but it seems reasonable to expect a very competitive team after a few years.
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I think they will be reasonably competitive next season since they have solid goaltending. I'm sure Chamberlain's numbers won't be as good in D1 but they still should be pretty good. I have faith in Coach McDonald to get good recruits even without the scholarships. Maybe he could try and get some of the girls from Niagara since they don't have a team anymore. He could use that Niagara connection he has.
If you are referring to the ability to play with current D1 teams, then the only reference I have is when the RIT men made the transition. They were a top D3 team, but not national champs. In the first D1 year they were "in" games but had a well sub .500 record. In the second D1 season they were AHA regular season champions, but not eligible for post season. A few years later they were in the frozen four. (Note that when the move was announced there were many in the D3 world who thought the RIT men would never make it out of the cellar of the AHA without scholarships.)
I don't have any good sense of the level of play differences in women's hockey, but it seems reasonable to expect a very competitive team after a few years.
I think they will be reasonably competitive next season since they have solid goaltending. I'm sure Chamberlain's numbers won't be as good in D1 but they still should be pretty good. I have faith in Coach McDonald to get good recruits even without the scholarships. Maybe he could try and get some of the girls from Niagara since they don't have a team anymore. He could use that Niagara connection he has.
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I know a lot about the California girls on the team and I have watched a number of their games. I also have watched a number of D-1 games. They will be very strong against lower level teams, competitive against middle level teams, but will not be competitive against higher level D-1 teams. The D-1 play is just a faster, more physical game. Once the roster begins turning over, they will begin to climb the ranks. They will be highly ranked in a couple of years as they have a quality program. I would think they would take some of the higher level Niagara players to supplement their roster next season as some of them have played with the California girls.
I know a lot about the California girls on the team and I have watched a number of their games. I also have watched a number of D-1 games. They will be very strong against lower level teams, competitive against middle level teams, but will not be competitive against higher level D-1 teams. The D-1 play is just a faster, more physical game. Once the roster begins turning over, they will begin to climb the ranks. They will be highly ranked in a couple of years as they have a quality program. I would think they would take some of the higher level Niagara players to supplement their roster next season as some of them have played with the California girls.
I know a lot about the California girls on the team and I have watched a number of their games. I also have watched a number of D-1 games. They will be very strong against lower level teams, competitive against middle level teams, but will not be competitive against higher level D-1 teams. The D-1 play is just a faster, more physical game. Once the roster begins turning over, they will begin to climb the ranks. They will be highly ranked in a couple of years as they have a quality program. I would think they would take some of the higher level Niagara players to supplement their roster next season as some of them have played with the California girls.
The availability of the Niagara players certainly changes the landscape. It will be interesting to see where they all land as I can't imagine that there are many spots left over at too many D1 schools. That applies to RIT now as well.
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Why will they not have scholarships? This experiment has not worked well for Union and I wouldn't expect it to be any different at RIT. The top players want "free" or else they might accept Ivy (which is also free or very inexpensive depending on financial situation). I would think it woudl be very hard to recruit players to play on a CHA team without a scholarship to offer. Mercyhurst would never be where they are on the hockey landscape without scholarships. A nd, RMU woudln't have even gotten out of the gate without scholarships.
I think they will be reasonably competitive next season since they have solid goaltending. I'm sure Chamberlain's numbers won't be as good in D1 but they still should be pretty good. I have faith in Coach McDonald to get good recruits even without the scholarships. Maybe he could try and get some of the girls from Niagara since they don't have a team anymore. He could use that Niagara connection he has.
Why will they not have scholarships? This experiment has not worked well for Union and I wouldn't expect it to be any different at RIT. The top players want "free" or else they might accept Ivy (which is also free or very inexpensive depending on financial situation). I would think it woudl be very hard to recruit players to play on a CHA team without a scholarship to offer. Mercyhurst would never be where they are on the hockey landscape without scholarships. A nd, RMU woudln't have even gotten out of the gate without scholarships.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
RIT is a division III school, and cannot give out athletic scholarships, even for sports playing up. Their men's team can not give them either.
Why will they not have scholarships? This experiment has not worked well for Union and I wouldn't expect it to be any different at RIT. The top players want "free" or else they might accept Ivy (which is also free or very inexpensive depending on financial situation). I would think it woudl be very hard to recruit players to play on a CHA team without a scholarship to offer. Mercyhurst would never be where they are on the hockey landscape without scholarships. A nd, RMU woudln't have even gotten out of the gate without scholarships.
RIT is a division III school, and cannot give out athletic scholarships, even for sports playing up. Their men's team can not give them either.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
The men's program at RIT has done quite well without scholly's, as has the men's team at Union and many of the Ivy's. The quality of the school, the accesibility to other forms of Aid and thw quality of the hockey program, including the hockey facilities are all top notch at RIT.
Why will they not have scholarships? This experiment has not worked well for Union and I wouldn't expect it to be any different at RIT. The top players want "free" or else they might accept Ivy (which is also free or very inexpensive depending on financial situation). I would think it woudl be very hard to recruit players to play on a CHA team without a scholarship to offer. Mercyhurst would never be where they are on the hockey landscape without scholarships. A nd, RMU woudln't have even gotten out of the gate without scholarships.
The men's program at RIT has done quite well without scholly's, as has the men's team at Union and many of the Ivy's. The quality of the school, the accesibility to other forms of Aid and thw quality of the hockey program, including the hockey facilities are all top notch at RIT.
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No offense, but I don't think you can compare men to women in this issue. The men have something beyond college as a possibility and just want to goto a good D1 team, but I dont' see any top women players lining up for Union or RIT without scholarships. In a lot of cases, in women's hockey, good players are also good students -- it's a trait they have -- work hard on and off the ice, which makes them successful on the ice and in the classroom. There are a lot good players who could go Ivy, but even then they won't/don't because they don't want to or can't pay -- or in some cases, just flat out think they shouldn't have to because they are that good. So, that makes it that much harder, even for an Ivy to recruit top players. But, a non-Ivy school trying to recruit top female players without scholarships, I just don't see it happening. Ivy's are a bit different because in women, some people use hockey as a way to get into an Ivy league school that they wouldn't otherwise be able to get in to, and the hockey is secondary.
I hope I am wrong, but I am disappointed to learn that RIT won't be a scholarship school. Just because there are more hockey opportunities, the closing of Niagara and adding of RIT is not a "wash" in the fact that there are some players out there who need scholarships because of their family circumstances.
The men's program at RIT has done quite well without scholly's, as has the men's team at Union and many of the Ivy's. The quality of the school, the accesibility to other forms of Aid and thw quality of the hockey program, including the hockey facilities are all top notch at RIT.
No offense, but I don't think you can compare men to women in this issue. The men have something beyond college as a possibility and just want to goto a good D1 team, but I dont' see any top women players lining up for Union or RIT without scholarships. In a lot of cases, in women's hockey, good players are also good students -- it's a trait they have -- work hard on and off the ice, which makes them successful on the ice and in the classroom. There are a lot good players who could go Ivy, but even then they won't/don't because they don't want to or can't pay -- or in some cases, just flat out think they shouldn't have to because they are that good. So, that makes it that much harder, even for an Ivy to recruit top players. But, a non-Ivy school trying to recruit top female players without scholarships, I just don't see it happening. Ivy's are a bit different because in women, some people use hockey as a way to get into an Ivy league school that they wouldn't otherwise be able to get in to, and the hockey is secondary.
I hope I am wrong, but I am disappointed to learn that RIT won't be a scholarship school. Just because there are more hockey opportunities, the closing of Niagara and adding of RIT is not a "wash" in the fact that there are some players out there who need scholarships because of their family circumstances.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
Okay, thanks. Didn't know that. Bummer.
Pakidnyc.....RIT is a D-III school, except in hockey. They can't give athletic scholarships unless they elevate their entire athletic program to D-I.
Okay, thanks. Didn't know that. Bummer.
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
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pakidnyc.....rit is a d-iii school, except in hockey. They can't give athletic scholarships unless they elevate their entire athletic program to d-i.
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
I believe they were playing up before the NCAA implemented that rule, and were grandfathered in.
How does RPI do it then? They are a D3 school, but offer scholarships for both the men and women's hockey programs?
I believe they were playing up before the NCAA implemented that rule, and were grandfathered in.
Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
There's a pretty decent rundown of the current situation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III_(NCAA)#Division_III_schools_with_Division_I_programs
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How does RPI do it then? They are a D3 school, but offer scholarships for both the men and women's hockey programs?
There's a pretty decent rundown of the current situation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_III_(NCAA)#Division_III_schools_with_Division_I_programs
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Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
WITR is doing audio and will have some interviews. witr.rit.eduIs there a live feed available anywhere of the News Conference?
Re: >>> RIT Tigers 2011-12 -- Now then, where were we? <<<
Per the press conference (and the release on RIT Athletics: http://ritathletics.com/news/2012/3/20/WHOCKEY_0320123536.aspx )
RIT is joining CHA next year, playing a full 20 game conference schedule.
Per the press conference (and the release on RIT Athletics: http://ritathletics.com/news/2012/3/20/WHOCKEY_0320123536.aspx )
RIT is joining CHA next year, playing a full 20 game conference schedule.