Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

[Happy]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Pray tell where any of the "3" "CHL" posters ever stated the CHL>NCAA......unless of course you mean those who wish the current structure to exclude the CHL remains in place as they obviously feel CHL players are better and will bump out the little Minny high school players en mass.

Happy, please tell me the percentage of players who jump right into the NCAA from you little quaint Minnesota high school leagues. My guess is that it quite below the 50% mark and that many of your elite graduating high school players go on to the USHL for one or two seasons before entering the NCAA….So yes we know that according to you, the average CHL player is far superior to anything in your high school leagues but please explain to us non Minnesotans how the CHL would ruin your high school hockey leagues if they were to become eligible?

Go look at Denver when MJ players were eligible. Not a single American anywhere to be found. That is why the majority of American's who have a Gold Medal are from Minnesota. How many CHL players use up their eligibility and can't go pro every year? It's probably at least 300 players with nothing better to do than bump younger players off of NCAA teams.
If you are too stupid to see how that would impact non-CHL players, than so be it.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Pray tell where any of the "3" "CHL" posters ever stated the CHL>NCAA......unless of course you mean those who wish the current structure to exclude the CHL remains in place as they obviously feel CHL players are better and will bump out the little Minny high school players en mass.

Happy, please tell me the percentage of players who jump right into the NCAA from you little quaint Minnesota high school leagues. My guess is that it quite below the 50% mark and that many of your elite graduating high school players go on to the USHL for one or two seasons before entering the NCAA….So yes we know that according to you, the average CHL player is far superior to anything in your high school leagues but please explain to us non Minnesotans how the CHL would ruin your high school hockey leagues if they were to become eligible?

LOL! In the same post you start by telling us that lifting the CHL ban will "bump out" loads of "Minnesota high school players" (wishful thinking on your part), then ask him to explain "how the CHL will ruin your high school hockey leagues". You can't even keep your bull crap statements straight.

Let me help you out. The CHL has LITTLE effect on Minnesota High School Hockey. Virtually none. Not before the CHL ban, not now, and it won't if they lift the ban.

 

[Lakerblue]

LOL! In the same post you start by telling us that lifting the CHL ban will "bump out" loads of "Minnesota high school players" (wishful thinking on your part), then ask him to explain "how the CHL will ruin your high school hockey leagues". You can't even keep your bull crap statements straight.

Let me help you out. The CHL has LITTLE effect on Minnesota High School Hockey. Virtually none. Not before the CHL ban, not now, and it won't if they lift the ban.

But you needed two north dakotans and an austrian to win anything!

So I get this straight: the ncaa is the defender of USA Hockey? Its the ncaa's role to be the great protector of the american game? That is what is sounds like some people are saying. And does the american game need protecting? If it does need protecting, that's sounds like the canadians would take all the roster spots without the chl ban. And that's sound to me like the canadian system produces better players, and more of them, such that ncaa rosters would be flooded and american kids would be locked out. Is that what you're saying?

 

[jnacc]

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LOL! In the same post you start by telling us that lifting the CHL ban will "bump out" loads of "Minnesota high school players" (wishful thinking on your part), then ask him to explain "how the CHL will ruin your high school hockey leagues". You can't even keep your bull crap statements straight.

Let me help you out. The CHL has LITTLE effect on Minnesota High School Hockey. Virtually none. Not before the CHL ban, not now, and it won't if they lift the ban.

Well let’s start from the top here....I clearly stated that "they" feel, referring to posters such as Happy who see lifting the ban as the Armageddon for high school hockey in Minny. Secondly, if the CHL would have little to no effect on Minnesota High school Hockey (which I agree with wholeheartedly) then why should the ban remain in place???

Go look at Denver when MJ players were eligible. Not a single American anywhere to be found.

Once again, this aint 1976 anymore Grampa. Back then there was what, 100,000 registered hockey players in the U.S. Today there are close to 500K. Only you and your ilk who feel that CHLers and Canadian in general are so superior to U.S. ones think that a school like Denver would revert back to a 100% CHL laden Canadian roster.

you know better than this. you imply CHL>NCAA annually. you're one of the 3 to whom I refer.

CHL aged-out players won't make a dimes worth of difference in the NCAA, and very likely won't make the rosters of the big schools I generally watch, namely Wisconsin and the teams they play against (MN, Nodak, CC, DU)

Stepan, McDonagh, McBain, Oshie, Toews, P. Martin, Ballard, Leopold, J. Pohl, and the list goes on and on and on. if you think the age-out CHL'ers would supplant these guys on an NCAA roster I want what you're smokin

My you have always been a yappy little puppy dog for ever chasing your stubby tail.....guess what Slovos, we are on the same page here....you just can't see it. Naturally you could not find a shred of evidence where I and the other two posters always state CHL>NCAA but you cannot even comprehend what we are saying.....Of course no aged out CHLer would bump any of the players you mentioned, all they would do is raise the level of play by providing the smaller schools (the have-nots) with a greater talent pool in order to be more competitive with the larger schools....it would be a win-win. People like Happy don't see it that way, he feels that these aged out CHLers would bump the American born players out and we would revert back to what college hockey looked like in the mid to late 70's. I don't buy that and, even if you can't figure it out....either do you!

 

[JDUBBS1280]

But you needed two north dakotans and an austrian to win anything!

So I get this straight: the ncaa is the defender of USA Hockey? Its the ncaa's role to be the great protector of the american game? That is what is sounds like some people are saying. And does the american game need protecting? If it does need protecting, that's sounds like the canadians would take all the roster spots without the chl ban. And that's sound to me like the canadian system produces better players, and more of them, such that ncaa rosters would be flooded and american kids would be locked out. Is that what you're saying?

And yet, we're the only school to win an NCAA title with only in-state kids, and we did that twice (1976, 1979). Both while CHL players were still allowed to play in the NCAA. Not bad for a bunch of "little high school players", ha? We also made numerous Frozen Fours with just Minnesotans on our roster. Like I said, the CHL rule had little effect on how Minnesota Hockey did business before the ban, and would have little effect if the ban were ever lifted.

Lifting the CHL ban probably would take roster spots from Americans, but Minnesotans would be BY FAR the least effected.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

JNACC - Please, show me where I ever objected to lifting the ban. Please. I have no problem with lifting the ban for CHL players 18 or under.

 

[jnacc]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

JNACC - Please, show me where I ever objected to lifting the ban. Please. I have no problem with lifting the ban for CHL players 18 or under.

Why only 18 or under?

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Why only 18 or under?

I don't like 20+ yr old freshmen, CHL or not. Though I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to lifting the ban with no limitations, my preference would be only kids 18 and under. Besides, I think it would be a much easier sell.

 

[jnacc]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

I don't like 20+ yr old freshmen, CHL or not. Though I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to lifting the ban with no limitations, my preference would be only kids 18 and under.

Then why make the ban only applicable to 20+ CHLers as many freshman from the domestic and Tier II leagues in Canada are 20+?

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Then why make the ban only applicable to 20+ CHLers as many freshman from the domestic and Tier II leagues in Canada are 20+?

I wasn't aware that I made the ban. I said I would prefer to see less 20+ year-old freshmen period. Obviously, I have little control over what the NCAA does. If they just lifted the CHL ban all together, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Like I said, I don't think it would have much effect on Minnesota Hockey.

 

[Happy]

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But you needed two north dakotans and an austrian to win anything!

So I get this straight: the ncaa is the defender of USA Hockey? Its the ncaa's role to be the great protector of the american game? That is what is sounds like some people are saying. And does the american game need protecting? If it does need protecting, that's sounds like the canadians would take all the roster spots without the chl ban. And that's sound to me like the canadian system produces better players, and more of them, such that ncaa rosters would be flooded and american kids would be locked out. Is that what you're saying?

Just Proves we are not Xenophobic. and yes, NCAA is an American institution. Do you know why schools like Minnesota, Northern Michigan and New Hampshire have Olympic size rinks? It is because the NCAA rule book at the time wanted it that way, so that the NCAA could develop American Olympic players.

the Canadian system produces hundreds and hundreds of mediocre hockey players every year who are 21 and 22 years old. They are not good enough to go pro, but they are good enough to win a roster spot on many NCAA teams vs younger players. It does no one in the NCAA any good (but you) to have a bunch of teams with a whole bunch of mid-twenty something ex-CHL players instead of Americans and other younger players.

 

[Lakerblue]

I wasn't aware that I made the ban. I said I would prefer to see less 20+ year-old freshmen period. Obviously, I have little control over what the NCAA does. If they just lifted the CHL ban all together, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Like I said, I don't think it would have much effect on Minnesota Hockey.

I never did understand that whole line about 21 year old freshman. Some people take longer to enter college, so what? So if yoou aren't a freshman at age 18 you should just find a factory job? Always think of that mindset at sadly parochial and closed minded. I suspect most 21 year old freshman do better in school and get in profoundly less trouble than an teenager just tasting his first sip of some levels of adult freedom.

As for the chl, since a larger proportion of players are american in the chl, wouldn't it stand to reason the allowing chl alumni to play ncaa hockey would be default bring americans into the sport? I mean, currently the ohl is about 20% us born. Its not as though everyone in the chl is by default canadian. (Although I also don't see the sinister sin of canadians playing hockdy in the us, I think that entire argument is more closed minded than the 21 year old freshman manure).

Furthermore, ending the ban on chl player would lead to an increase in michigan kids playing ncaa hockey. How this affects or harms minnesota hockey I don't know and don't care. What is good for minnesota hockey is not always, or ever, what is good for us hockey. So minnesota gets hurt, but the ncaa and every other us hockey system is helped. I think that would be fine with everyone, except the minnesotans. But even they should be fine, right? Their system is so amazing and so solid, competing with 100 extra michigan kids who just left the chl should be no problem, right?

 

[Happy]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

I never did understand that whole line about 21 year old freshman. Some people take longer to enter college, so what? So if yoou aren't a freshman at age 18 you should just find a factory job? Always think of that mindset at sadly parochial and closed minded. I suspect most 21 year old freshman do better in school and get in profoundly less trouble than an teenager just tasting his first sip of some levels of adult freedom.

As for the chl, since a larger proportion of players are american in the chl, wouldn't it stand to reason the allowing chl alumni to play ncaa hockey would be default bring americans into the sport? I mean, currently the ohl is about 20% us born. Its not as though everyone in the chl is by default canadian. (Although I also don't see the sinister sin of canadians playing hockdy in the us, I think that entire argument is more closed minded than the 21 year old freshman manure).

Furthermore, ending the ban on chl player would lead to an increase in michigan kids playing ncaa hockey. How this affects or harms minnesota hockey I don't know and don't care. What is good for minnesota hockey is not always, or ever, what is good for us hockey. So minnesota gets hurt, but the ncaa and every other us hockey system is helped. I think that would be fine with everyone, except the minnesotans. But even they should be fine, right? Their system is so amazing and so solid, competing with 100 extra michigan kids who just left the chl should be no problem, right?

I don't like it when parents falsify their kids age so he can win in Little League. Holding a kid back a year so he will be better at sports than the rest of the kids in his grade is also wrong. Having freshmen who are older than I was when I graduated from college is stupid. These players are not more talented, they are just 3 or 4 years older. Watch the NHL and AHL if you want to see mid twenty year old players.

If older players are so great, why don't you get the CHL to let them keep playing? If the CHL don't want them, why should the NCAA?

 

[jnacc]

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Having freshmen who are older than I was when I graduated from college is stupid. These players are not more talented, they are just 3 or 4 years older. Watch the NHL and AHL if you want to see mid twenty year old players.

If older players are so great, why don't you get the CHL to let them keep playing? If the CHL don't want them, why should the NCAA?

Excuse me Happy but why on gods earth are you putting down Minnesota Duluth's incoming freshman class...so what they feature a couple of 21 year olds and have an average age of 20...they did well in the NCAA last year did they not?....Oh ****, I'm sorry but maybe you are referring to the two 21 year olds that the Minnesota golden goofs are bringing in this year...yeah no doubt, where do they get off bringing in a bunch of no good long in the tooth, beer guzzling gutted geezers when the spots should have went to some true 18 year old freshman!!!

Down with the Gophs...up with Happy.....ban the old geezers from playing!!!!!

Wooops, Oh I get it Happy....you have no idea what in the hell you are talking about....sorry granddaddy carry on, your liquid supper will be served soon and we'll watch that ole VHS tape of the 1976 golden goofs, when they only featured true born in the USA corn fed 18 year old freshman, beat up on those 21 year old nasty freshman Canadians playing for Denver....ah life was so sweet and simple back then grandad!

 

[First Time Long Time]

Excuse me Happy but why on gods earth are you putting down Minnesota Duluth's incoming freshman class...so what they feature a couple of 21 year olds and have an average age of 20...they did well in the NCAA last year did they not?....Oh ****, I'm sorry but maybe you are referring to the two 21 year olds that the Minnesota golden goofs are bringing in this year...yeah no doubt, where do they get off bringing in a bunch of no good long in the tooth, beer guzzling gutted geezers when the spots should have went to some true 18 year old freshman!!!

Down with the Gophs...up with Happy.....ban the old geezers from playing!!!!!

Wooops, Oh I get it Happy....you have no idea what in the hell you are talking about....sorry granddaddy carry on, your liquid supper will be served soon and we'll watch that ole VHS tape of the 1976 golden goofs, when they only featured true born in the USA corn fed 18 year old freshman, beat up on those 21 year old nasty freshman Canadians
playing for Denver....ah life was so sweet and simple back then
grandad!

Is it possible for you to have a discussion and not be a gigantic ***?

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I never did understand that whole line about 21 year old freshman. Some people take longer to enter college, so what? So if yoou aren't a freshman at age 18 you should just find a factory job? Always think of that mindset at sadly parochial and closed minded. I suspect most 21 year old freshman do better in school and get in profoundly less trouble than an teenager just tasting his first sip of some levels of adult freedom.

As for the chl, since a larger proportion of players are american in the chl, wouldn't it stand to reason the allowing chl alumni to play ncaa hockey would be default bring americans into the sport? I mean, currently the ohl is about 20% us born. Its not as though everyone in the chl is by default canadian. (Although I also don't see the sinister sin of canadians playing hockdy in the us, I think that entire argument is more closed minded than the 21 year old freshman manure).

Furthermore, ending the ban on chl player would lead to an increase in michigan kids playing ncaa hockey. How this affects or harms minnesota hockey I don't know and don't care. What is good for minnesota hockey is not always, or ever, what is good for us hockey. So minnesota gets hurt, but the ncaa and every other us hockey system is helped. I think that would be fine with everyone, except the minnesotans. But even they should be fine, right? Their system is so amazing and so solid, competing with 100 extra michigan kids who just left the chl should be no problem, right?

For me, it has little to do with nationality. I'd just prefer not to have mid 20's players in NCAA hockey. I think there are enough talented kids getting opportunities now. I don't want to see the average age of players pushed even older than it is now. Just personal preference. Like I said, I won't lose any sleep if they do lift the ban without any restrictions.

And I'm glad to see that you're finally starting to understand that this has little to do with Minnesota Hockey. Most of our players will stick around either way. The question you should be asking is why are yours not?

 

[Goon]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Is it possible for you to have a discussion and not be a gigantic ***?

 

[Slap Shot]

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Excuse me Happy but why on gods earth are you putting down Minnesota Duluth's incoming freshman class...so what they feature a couple of 21 year olds and have an average age of 20...they did well in the NCAA last year did they not?....Oh ****, I'm sorry but maybe you are referring to the two 21 year olds that the Minnesota golden goofs are bringing in this year...yeah no doubt, where do they get off bringing in a bunch of no good long in the tooth, beer guzzling gutted geezers when the spots should have went to some true 18 year old freshman!!!

Down with the Gophs...up with Happy.....ban the old geezers from playing!!!!!

Wooops, Oh I get it Happy....you have no idea what in the hell you are talking about....sorry granddaddy carry on, your liquid supper will be served soon and we'll watch that ole VHS tape of the 1976 golden goofs, when they only featured true born in the USA corn fed 18 year old freshman, beat up on those 21 year old nasty freshman Canadians playing for Denver....ah life was so sweet and simple back then grandad!

Take it easy, guy.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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Here's what I don't understand. Allegedly Minnesota Hockey needs the CHL ban in order to succeed, and Michigan's lack of community hockey tradition and fondness of the CHL is the right approach. Well, then why does Minnesota consistently have as many or more players in the NHL as Michigan, despite having far less (only six last year) players who play in the CHL? Seems to me like Minnesota Hockey is doing a good job of not just developing players for college hockey, but they are sticking around and getting as much of the development they need to play in the NHL.

 

[Happy]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Excuse me Happy but why on gods earth are you putting down Minnesota Duluth's incoming freshman class...so what they feature a couple of 21 year olds and have an average age of 20...they did well in the NCAA last year did they not?....Oh ****, I'm sorry but maybe you are referring to the two 21 year olds that the Minnesota golden goofs are bringing in this year...yeah no doubt, where do they get off bringing in a bunch of no good long in the tooth, beer guzzling gutted geezers when the spots should have went to some true 18 year old freshman!!!

Down with the Gophs...up with Happy.....ban the old geezers from playing!!!!!

Wooops, Oh I get it Happy....you have no idea what in the hell you are talking about....sorry granddaddy carry on, your liquid supper will be served soon and we'll watch that ole VHS tape of the 1976 golden goofs, when they only featured true born in the USA corn fed 18 year old freshman, beat up on those 21 year old nasty freshman Canadians playing for Denver....ah life was so sweet and simple back then grandad!

I want the NCAA to be more like the greatest ever, the CHL.


The greatest thing ever, the CHL, agrees with me, when a kid gets too old, they kick him to the side.


If the greatest fans ever, CHL fans, don't have to watch old guys, than neither do I.


If 22 year old players are not good enough for the greatest ever, the CHL, then I don't want them polluting my ice.