Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

[jnacc]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

So, why would anybody not connected with the CHL give a **** about it, either?

So should people with no connection to any college in the U.S. have a similar attitude towards D-1 hockey??

Lakerblue, I'm sure you remember the time that Michigan was emerging as a bonafide force in hockey after years of mediocrity or worse. The program's newly minted fans would not only deride the established college teams that they knew little about (such as LSSU) but also the CHL. They would be totally miffed when one of their prospects reneged on the team in favor of the O and would even come on here lamenting their misguided notion on how could a player turn their back on an esteemed program to play glorified high school hockey.

Then the Plymouth Whalers emerged soon followed by the Saginaw Spirit and certain Michigan fans began to attend their games. Slowly but surely Michigan fans perspective began to change. They saw the CHL for what it truly was....a high caliber league that takes a back seat to no one in terms of quality of play and development for junior aged players. Today, many Michigan fans are upset with Gibson's decision to play in the O and may question his integrity but the vast majority of them no longer question the development aspect of his choice. Few in Michigan dare say that the CHL is nothing but a glorified hockey league and many residence in this state attend the games, despite not having a direct connection to teams or programs, to enjoy the quality of play and see some future NHL stars.

Most people in Minnesota don't get it because they have never been exposed to it and its their loss not ours.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Most people in Minnesota don't get it because they have never been exposed to it and its their loss not ours.

And you guys in Michigan don't understand the lure of Minnesota's community-based hockey culture because you don't have the strong community traditions. It may just be me, but seeing over 4,000 people show up for a Roseau vs Warroad regular season game (nearly every person in each community combined) has more draw than anything the CHL can offer.

I'm sure the CHL is fun hockey to watch. No one from Minnesota is doubting that. It just isn't that special in our eyes. There isn't a strong connection there

 

[solovsfett]

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I actually, believe it or not, have been there. Twice. Its neat, but if you're not from minnesota (and I am not) and don't really care about minnesota (and I don't) and aren't terribly impressed with high school hockey (and I am not) then I suspect the hoosiers-like sepia toned memories some minnesotans carry for their tourny is likely lost in the translation. I can see where it must be neat for those who care, but its not some transcendent event which alters the soul.

I was in the soo when the greyhounds hosted the memorial cup, and that was quite thrilling.

I think its a shame that some posters herein have expressed the sentiment that they would rather sit in their own backyard and not venture out to see the world. I guess I like to travel and have enjoyed exploring other people and places, but not everybody is built like that. I just think you miss out on so many wonderful things by sitting in your home state.

As for the ncaa ban on the chl? I will ask this: who does this ban hurt? I understand its protectionist purpose, but what are the downsides? Because I just dont see how the chl is damaged, but I sure see how the ncaa is harmed. Is it worth it? If yes, then stop whimpering about kids leaving college commitments for the chl, its the price paid. And stop wasting time, money, and effort fighting the chl. Spend time and effort on promoting the ncaa game and its member schools.

what about MN High School hockey did not impress you? I'm not from there, can't effing stand the rats, and also on occasion get annoyed by their parochial nature, and was totally in awe of the tournament watching the streams last year. in awe of the depth of talent, in awe of the tremendous crowds, and gasp, yes, envious that Wisconsin cannot hold a candle to that. we don't have that infrastructure, only about 70 or so schools play hockey as compared to 156 or so in minnesota.

I think this is the story of the Zax here. those who like the NCAA and those who prefer CHL. fine.

as long as the NCAA continues to develop guys like Ryan McDonagh, Derek Stepan, Oshie, Toews, Parise, Heatley, Suter I'm fine w/the current set-up

 

[Happy]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

So should people with no connection to any college in the U.S. have a similar attitude towards D-1 hockey??

Lakerblue, I'm sure you remember the time that Michigan was emerging as a bonafide force in hockey after years of mediocrity or worse. The program's newly minted fans would not only deride the established college teams that they knew little about (such as LSSU) but also the CHL. They would be totally miffed when one of their prospects reneged on the team in favor of the O and would even come on here lamenting their misguided notion on how could a player turn their back on an esteemed program to play glorified high school hockey.

Then the Plymouth Whalers emerged soon followed by the Saginaw Spirit and certain Michigan fans began to attend their games. Slowly but surely Michigan fans perspective began to change. They saw the CHL for what it truly was....a high caliber league that takes a back seat to no one in terms of quality of play and development for junior aged players. Today, many Michigan fans are upset with Gibson's decision to play in the O and may question his integrity but the vast majority of them no longer question the development aspect of his choice. Few in Michigan dare say that the CHL is nothing but a glorified hockey league and many residence in this state attend the games, despite not having a direct connection to teams or programs, to enjoy the quality of play and see some future NHL stars.

Most people in Minnesota don't get it because they have never been exposed to it and its their loss not ours.

Why would you want to watch a bunch of strangers playing hockey, instead of players you know? I can watch the NHL if I want to see the best hockey in the world, any other hockey league is going to be lesser. Since the hockey is going to be less quality, why watch a bunch of out of town strangers, when you can watch your own? A fan always makes choices over who they want to watch, and if you are not watching the best, which the CHL isn't by a long shot, then a fan makes a choice on what they like. You apparently like to watch Canadians that play CHL, but that doesn't mean many in the NCAA fan base agree.

 

[4four4]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Most people in Minnesota don't get it because they have never been exposed to it and its their loss not ours.

The hockey culture in Minnesota is way different than anywhere else in the country. We have a community cheering for the kids who we have seen since Mites. For example it is our nephew or niece, friends or neighbors watching games on a night in and night out basis. We know the CHL is a worthy league but our culture is 100 years old. Why would we change when we have been so succesful?

 

[Lakerblue]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Holy geez, listen . . . nobody cares what happens in Minnesota. It matters not a twitch, not a wrinkle, once you pass that state's boundaries. Its very nice and quaint that you Minnesotans like your cute high school hockey and it really neat-o to see that in every thread, for the past ten years, NOBODY on this board can mention any level of hockey development without at least three Minnesotans chirping in about their beloved high school tourny -- complete, as always, with Excell attendance numbers and misty-eyed missives about the amazing nature of the deep seeded tradition. And I am not exagerating, every single time any person, for any reason, in any forum on this wonderful college hockey page, merely mentions, in passing, any thought about any level of hockey development, anywhere in the world -- we are all immediately bombarded with the Misty-eyed Minnesota High School Hockey report. Every flippin time.

Ok, we get it. We understand Minnesota is a small state, and your great claim to fame is the high school hockey system. Ok? Can we move on? I mean, it starts to look pretty pathetic after a while. Its like the nerdy kid who has to always talk about his one triumph in life with the other kids just so they will think he's cool. Its like the little yippee dog in Bugs Bunny always following around the bulldog --- yip yip yip yip yip yip. And it never stops.

It never fails to amaze me that the word "Minnesota" on this board almost instictively results in at least a few posters jumping in to defend the alleged honor of their beloved state -- usually when such overly-defensive positions are totally unwarranted. Its like some Pavlovian knee jerk reaction. How bad of an inferiority complex do some of you Minnesotans have? I know this sounds like a bomb, but I mean it sincerely -- some of you guys are so hyper-defensive, and so hyper-vigilant to defend your home state and defend whatever your home-state does, in anything, in every forum, that it just starts to look and sound pathetic.

And please, please, please, spare me the bile-filled reflexive response on how well Michigan is doing these days. We know. I call my own state Michissippi. We have lots of problems. But on this thread alone there are multiple posters from Michigan, and I don't see from them -- or any other state of Canadian provence -- the unabshed self-amusing self-praise that flows like the Ganges out of some Minnesotans. Give it a rest already . . . we get it . . . you're proud of your home state. Got it. Booked it. Well understood.

Geez.

You know, its funny -- the same people who were rattling on about their cute little high school system are the same people who were rattling on about "staying on topic." It'd be amusing if it wasn't so darn predictable, and repeated so often. You think you are really, honestly, the first Minnesotans to spout off about your love and affection for high school hockey? You really, honestly, think all of that needs repeating again, and again? 11 years I;'ve been reading and posting on this board, and I have a secret for you. Shhhhhhh. Come real close . . . I'll whisper it so you wont be embarassed: "Nobody cares. Its high school. Move on."

Perhaps this seems like a snooty post. Perhaps it seems like a troll looking for a reaction. But I am in earnest -- and not trying to offend -- but its not my fault if I get tired of hearing random Minnesotans knee-jerking their way, hijacking thread after thread after thread with their oft stated, oft repeated, and seemingly neverending desire to yell about their civic support. I generally try to post reasonable posts with some level of humor (which always, without fail, falls on deaf ears in Minnesota, where defesiveness is seemingly ingrained). But it just becomes inpossible to have a conversation on some topics without the Minnesota Hockey Mafia (as Jeff jackson called it) hijacking the thread and demanding to be heard, respected, loved, understood, appreciated, adored, and in all respects worshipped by every living non-Minnesotan. So I ask, give it a rest, boys.

 

[Lakerblue]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

The hockey culture in Minnesota is way different than anywhere else in the country. We have a community cheering for the kids who we have seen since Mites. For example it is our nephew or niece, friends or neighbors watching games on a night in and night out basis. We know the CHL is a worthy league but our culture is 100 years old. Why would we change when we have been so succesful?

So you agree that the NCAA CHL ban benefits the minnesota system? And if it benefits no other sytem (and it doesn't), then isn't the NCAA CHL ban in place, right now, merely to keep the status quo in Minnesota? And it that is so -- then isn't that exactly what I said earlier in this thread, mutiple times, only to have hyper-defensive Minnesotans scream about "no proof"?

You can't have it both ways, kids.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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Holy geez, listen . . . nobody cares what happens in Minnesota. It matters not a twitch, not a wrinkle, once you pass that state's boundaries. Its very nice and quaint that you Minnesotans like your cute high school hockey and it really neat-o to see that in every thread, for the past ten years, NOBODY on this board can mention any level of hockey development without at least three Minnesotans chirping in about their beloved high school tourny -- complete, as always, with Excell attendance numbers and misty-eyed missives about the amazing nature of the deep seeded tradition. And I am not exagerating, every single time any person, for any reason, in any forum on this wonderful college hockey page, merely mentions, in passing, any thought about any level of hockey development, anywhere in the world -- we are all immediately bombarded with the Misty-eyed Minnesota High School Hockey report. Every flippin time.

Ok, we get it. We understand Minnesota is a small state, and your great claim to fame is the high school hockey system. Ok? Can we move on? I mean, it starts to look pretty pathetic after a while. Its like the nerdy kid who has to always talk about his one triumph in life with the other kids just so they will think he's cool. Its like the little yippee dog in Bugs Bunny always following around the bulldog --- yip yip yip yip yip yip. And it never stops.

It never fails to amaze me that the word "Minnesota" on this board almost instictively results in at least a few posters jumping in to defend the alleged honor of their beloved state -- usually when such overly-defensive positions are totally unwarranted. Its like some Pavlovian knee jerk reaction. How bad of an inferiority complex do some of you Minnesotans have? I know this sounds like a bomb, but I mean it sincerely -- some of you guys are so hyper-defensive, and so hyper-vigilant to defend your home state and defend whatever your home-state does, in anything, in every forum, that it just starts to look and sound pathetic.

And please, please, please, spare me the bile-filled reflexive response on how well Michigan is doing these days. We know. I call my own state Michissippi. We have lots of problems. But on this thread alone there are multiple posters from Michigan, and I don't see from them -- or any other state of Canadian provence -- the unabshed self-amusing self-praise that flows like the Ganges out of some Minnesotans. Give it a rest already . . . we get it . . . you're proud of your home state. Got it. Booked it. Well understood.

Geez.

You know, its funny -- the same people who were rattling on about their cute little high school system are the same people who were rattling on about "staying on topic." It'd be amusing if it wasn't so darn predictable, and repeated so often. You think you are really, honestly, the first Minnesotans to spout off about your love and affection for high school hockey? You really, honestly, think all of that needs repeating again, and again? 11 years I;'ve been reading and posting on this board, and I have a secret for you. Shhhhhhh. Come real close . . . I'll whisper it so you wont be embarassed: "Nobody cares. Its high school. Move on."

Perhaps this seems like a snooty post. Perhaps it seems like a troll looking for a reaction. But I am in earnest -- and not trying to offend -- but its not my fault if I get tired of hearing random Minnesotans knee-jerking their way, hijacking thread after thread after thread with their oft stated, oft repeated, and seemingly neverending desire to yell about their civic support. I generally try to post reasonable posts with some level of humor (which always, without fail, falls on deaf ears in Minnesota, where defesiveness is seemingly ingrained). But it just becomes inpossible to have a conversation on some topics without the Minnesota Hockey Mafia (as Jeff jackson called it) hijacking the thread and demanding to be heard, respected, loved, understood, appreciated, adored, and in all respects worshipped by every living non-Minnesotan. So I ask, give it a rest, boys.

And we could care less about the CHL. Not a "twitch", not at "wrinkle". It just isn't that special. And next time, if you don't want to hear people's explanations as to why they don't want to "catch a CHL game" as you "urged" us to do, then don't ask.

You have to just shake your head when a guy tries to TELL YOU why you, as a Minnesotan, don't appreciate the CHL, and then when you try and explain the REAL REASON why you don't follow the CHL, he labels you as "hyper-sensitive" or "hyper-defensive".

And speaking of "inferiority complexes", I think the real root of all your angst is the fact that Mighican Hockey can't hold a candle to Minnesota Hockey in any way, shape, or form. After all, your the guy who keeps trying to make this a Minnesota vs the rest of the country thing.

 

[Happy]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

So you agree that the NCAA CHL ban benefits the minnesota system? And if it benefits no other sytem (and it doesn't), then isn't the NCAA CHL ban in place, right now, merely to keep the status quo in Minnesota? And it that is so -- then isn't that exactly what I said earlier in this thread, mutiple times, only to have hyper-defensive Minnesotans scream about "no proof"?

You can't have it both ways, kids.

Actually, it benefits every single player who would have been bumped by an ex-CHL player. Which is why the NCAA is so much better at developing USA talent. Many players in the NCAA from the USA don't want to have to go play 2 or 3 years in Moose Jaw just to play NCAA hockey.

Besides, you have never come up with a good reason why some NHL fast tracker who would sell his mother for a contract does the NCAA any good to begin with.


and to show I am not completely against the CHL, I wouldn't mind at all if a kid who wasn't 18 yet wanted to transfer.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

So you agree that the NCAA CHL ban benefits the minnesota system? And if it benefits no other sytem (and it doesn't), then isn't the NCAA CHL ban in place, right now, merely to keep the status quo in Minnesota? And it that is so -- then isn't that exactly what I said earlier in this thread, mutiple times, only to have hyper-defensive Minnesotans scream about "no proof"?

You can't have it both ways, kids.

How does the CHL ban "benefit the MN system"? Our players have a history of staying closet home and playing NCAA hockey. Both now and before the ban. You have been told countless times in this thread by numerous people that Minnesota traditionally does it's own thing, and that the CHL ban has the least effect on Minnesota hockey.

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Holy geez, listen . . . nobody cares what happens in Minnesota. It matters not a twitch, not a wrinkle, once you pass that state's boundaries. Its very nice and quaint that you Minnesotans like your cute high school hockey and it really neat-o to see that in every thread, for the past ten years, NOBODY on this board can mention any level of hockey development without at least three Minnesotans chirping in about their beloved high school tourny -- complete, as always, with Excell attendance numbers and misty-eyed missives about the amazing nature of the deep seeded tradition. And I am not exagerating, every single time any person, for any reason, in any forum on this wonderful college hockey page, merely mentions, in passing, any thought about any level of hockey development, anywhere in the world -- we are all immediately bombarded with the Misty-eyed Minnesota High School Hockey report. Every flippin time.

Ok, we get it. We understand Minnesota is a small state, and your great claim to fame is the high school hockey system. Ok? Can we move on? I mean, it starts to look pretty pathetic after a while. Its like the nerdy kid who has to always talk about his one triumph in life with the other kids just so they will think he's cool. Its like the little yippee dog in Bugs Bunny always following around the bulldog --- yip yip yip yip yip yip. And it never stops.

It never fails to amaze me that the word "Minnesota" on this board almost instictively results in at least a few posters jumping in to defend the alleged honor of their beloved state -- usually when such overly-defensive positions are totally unwarranted. Its like some Pavlovian knee jerk reaction. How bad of an inferiority complex do some of you Minnesotans have? I know this sounds like a bomb, but I mean it sincerely -- some of you guys are so hyper-defensive, and so hyper-vigilant to defend your home state and defend whatever your home-state does, in anything, in every forum, that it just starts to look and sound pathetic.

And please, please, please, spare me the bile-filled reflexive response on how well Michigan is doing these days. We know. I call my own state Michissippi. We have lots of problems. But on this thread alone there are multiple posters from Michigan, and I don't see from them -- or any other state of Canadian provence -- the unabshed self-amusing self-praise that flows like the Ganges out of some Minnesotans. Give it a rest already . . . we get it . . . you're proud of your home state. Got it. Booked it. Well understood.

Geez.

You know, its funny -- the same people who were rattling on about their cute little high school system are the same people who were rattling on about "staying on topic." It'd be amusing if it wasn't so darn predictable, and repeated so often. You think you are really, honestly, the first Minnesotans to spout off about your love and affection for high school hockey? You really, honestly, think all of that needs repeating again, and again? 11 years I;'ve been reading and posting on this board, and I have a secret for you. Shhhhhhh. Come real close . . . I'll whisper it so you wont be embarassed: "Nobody cares. Its high school. Move on."

Perhaps this seems like a snooty post. Perhaps it seems like a troll looking for a reaction. But I am in earnest -- and not trying to offend -- but its not my fault if I get tired of hearing random Minnesotans knee-jerking their way, hijacking thread after thread after thread with their oft stated, oft repeated, and seemingly neverending desire to yell about their civic support. I generally try to post reasonable posts with some level of humor (which always, without fail, falls on deaf ears in Minnesota, where defesiveness is seemingly ingrained). But it just becomes inpossible to have a conversation on some topics without the Minnesota Hockey Mafia (as Jeff jackson called it) hijacking the thread and demanding to be heard, respected, loved, understood, appreciated, adored, and in all respects worshipped by every living non-Minnesotan. So I ask, give it a rest, boys.

wow, you call them out they respond and you have a problem with the response so flip them off. how about CHL'ers give it a rest then? why is it we need threads from the 3 CHL fans on this board annually proclaiming CHL>NCAA?

must be NCAA hockey is quite successful in their own right in developing NHL talent. Especially Mike Eaves, Jerry York and that tool at Nodak.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

wow, you call them out they respond and you have a problem with the response so flip them off. how about CHL'ers give it a rest then? why is it we need threads from the 3 CHL fans on this board annually proclaiming CHL>NCAA?

must be NCAA hockey is quite successful in their own right in developing NHL talent. Especially Mike Eaves, Jerry York and that tool at Nodak.

Thank you

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Thank you

no problem!

 

[hobeydog]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the Moncton coverage of Brandon Shea's decommit to BC.

http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/sports/article/1431421:


Shea admits it was a tough decision to turn down the U.S. National Under-17 Program and a full scholarship offer at Boston College in favour of the QMJHL. He visited Moncton in July.

"When I came to Moncton they made me feel very comfortable," he said. "Coach Flynn talked to me about how they run things and (Wildcats owner) Mr. (Robert) Irving certainly made me feel comfortable. You can tell Mr. Irving operates things first class.

"I was impressed with the whole approach they have in running the organization. All my options were great, but at the end of the day my father and I felt that Coach Flynn and his staff would give me my best chance to develop and reach my potential."

One maybe shouldn't disregard the attraction of seasoned and respected coaches in the CHL that might win out over NCAA focused parents and players. Danny Flynn won a Memorial Cup as Ted Nolan's assistant with the Sault. St. Marie Greyhounds, won a CIS University Cup as head coach of StFX, was an NHL assistant coach with Nolan and the Islanders, and has taken the Moncton Wildcats to a QMJHL championship and Memorial Cup runner-ups. Several of his Wildcats have made the NHL. Even with that, I'm still surprised that Shea didn't play for his father's alma mater. But if you want to reinforce your conspiracy theories about under-the-table money, Robert Irving has lots of money.

[Disclaimer: I know the writer Neil Hodge and am not a big fan, partly because he writes for the newspaper owned by the same family that owns the QMJHL team he covers: the Irvings (their gas stations may be familiar to New Englanders). I know Danny Flynn fairly well from his CIS coaching days and we are friendly but not friends. ]

That certainly is a huge move for a 16 year-old. A new country and culture, all the bus travel, the language barrier in some of those remote Quebec towns, the heavy game schedule, all while trying to keep the school work up. Let's hope it works out for the family.

 

[SanTropez]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Holy geez, listen . . . nobody cares what happens in Minnesota. It matters not a twitch, not a wrinkle, once you pass that state's boundaries. Its very nice and quaint that you Minnesotans like your cute high school hockey and it really neat-o to see that in every thread, for the past ten years, NOBODY on this board can mention any level of hockey development without at least three Minnesotans chirping in about their beloved high school tourny -- complete, as always, with Excell attendance numbers and misty-eyed missives about the amazing nature of the deep seeded tradition. And I am not exagerating, every single time any person, for any reason, in any forum on this wonderful college hockey page, merely mentions, in passing, any thought about any level of hockey development, anywhere in the world -- we are all immediately bombarded with the Misty-eyed Minnesota High School Hockey report. Every flippin time.

Ok, we get it. We understand Minnesota is a small state, and your great claim to fame is the high school hockey system. Ok? Can we move on? I mean, it starts to look pretty pathetic after a while. Its like the nerdy kid who has to always talk about his one triumph in life with the other kids just so they will think he's cool. Its like the little yippee dog in Bugs Bunny always following around the bulldog --- yip yip yip yip yip yip. And it never stops.

It never fails to amaze me that the word "Minnesota" on this board almost instictively results in at least a few posters jumping in to defend the alleged honor of their beloved state -- usually when such overly-defensive positions are totally unwarranted. Its like some Pavlovian knee jerk reaction. How bad of an inferiority complex do some of you Minnesotans have? I know this sounds like a bomb, but I mean it sincerely -- some of you guys are so hyper-defensive, and so hyper-vigilant to defend your home state and defend whatever your home-state does, in anything, in every forum, that it just starts to look and sound pathetic.

And please, please, please, spare me the bile-filled reflexive response on how well Michigan is doing these days. We know. I call my own state Michissippi. We have lots of problems. But on this thread alone there are multiple posters from Michigan, and I don't see from them -- or any other state of Canadian provence -- the unabshed self-amusing self-praise that flows like the Ganges out of some Minnesotans. Give it a rest already . . . we get it . . . you're proud of your home state. Got it. Booked it. Well understood.

Geez.

You know, its funny -- the same people who were rattling on about their cute little high school system are the same people who were rattling on about "staying on topic." It'd be amusing if it wasn't so darn predictable, and repeated so often. You think you are really, honestly, the first Minnesotans to spout off about your love and affection for high school hockey? You really, honestly, think all of that needs repeating again, and again? 11 years I;'ve been reading and posting on this board, and I have a secret for you. Shhhhhhh. Come real close . . . I'll whisper it so you wont be embarassed: "Nobody cares. Its high school. Move on."

Perhaps this seems like a snooty post. Perhaps it seems like a troll looking for a reaction. But I am in earnest -- and not trying to offend -- but its not my fault if I get tired of hearing random Minnesotans knee-jerking their way, hijacking thread after thread after thread with their oft stated, oft repeated, and seemingly neverending desire to yell about their civic support. I generally try to post reasonable posts with some level of humor (which always, without fail, falls on deaf ears in Minnesota, where defesiveness is seemingly ingrained). But it just becomes inpossible to have a conversation on some topics without the Minnesota Hockey Mafia (as Jeff jackson called it) hijacking the thread and demanding to be heard, respected, loved, understood, appreciated, adored, and in all respects worshipped by every living non-Minnesotan. So I ask, give it a rest, boys.

Just for you...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx8wM4vbMT0&feature=player_embedded

 

[Osorojo]

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4X4: You apparently have observed and participated in the hockey culture everywhere in the United States in addition to Minnesota. Please reveal a few of the more important differences you have discovered between the "hockey culture" in Minnesota and that in ___________________ [name the states].

 

[4four4]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

So you agree that the NCAA CHL ban benefits the minnesota system? And if it benefits no other sytem (and it doesn't), then isn't the NCAA CHL ban in place, right now, merely to keep the status quo in Minnesota? And it that is so -- then isn't that exactly what I said earlier in this thread, mutiple times, only to have hyper-defensive Minnesotans scream about "no proof"?

You can't have it both ways, kids.

It for sure helps the Minnesota system and John Mariucci made dang sure it became that way. John Mariucci was pro Minnesota first, pro USA second and pro Canada third. Complain all you want but nobody else from the USA in the 1960's and 1970's came to the plate and complained about the current setup. While NCAA Canadian coaches complained there wasn't enough of them to change the current set up.

 

[jnacc]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

wow, you call them out they respond and you have a problem with the response so flip them off. how about CHL'ers give it a rest then? why is it we need threads from the 3 CHL fans on this board annually proclaiming CHL>NCAA?

must be NCAA hockey is quite successful in their own right in developing NHL talent. Especially Mike Eaves, Jerry York and that tool at Nodak.

Pray tell where any of the "3" "CHL" posters ever stated the CHL>NCAA......unless of course you mean those who wish the current structure to exclude the CHL remains in place as they obviously feel CHL players are better and will bump out the little Minny high school players en mass.

Happy, please tell me the percentage of players who jump right into the NCAA from you little quaint Minnesota high school leagues. My guess is that it quite below the 50% mark and that many of your elite graduating high school players go on to the USHL for one or two seasons before entering the NCAA….So yes we know that according to you, the average CHL player is far superior to anything in your high school leagues but please explain to us non Minnesotans how the CHL would ruin your high school hockey leagues if they were to become eligible?

 

[JDUBBS1280]

It for sure helps the Minnesota system and John Mariucci made dang sure it became that way. John Mariucci was pro Minnesota first, pro USA second and pro Canada third. Complain all you want but nobody else from the USA in the 1960's and 1970's came to the plate and complained about the current setup. While NCAA Canadian coaches complained there wasn't enough of them to change the current set up.

Here we go again, back to blaming Minnesota Hockey for the CHL ban. Of course Mariucci favored it, but it had MUCH more to do with advancing USA Hockey than Minnesota Hockey. Minnesota Hockey was fine before the CHL ban, is fine now, and will be fine if lifted. Besides, as was pointed out already, Mariucci was an old man dying of cancer when the CHL ban was imposed.

I have yet to see one piece of concrete proof that Minnesota Hockey was solely responsible for the CHL ban, or how it benefits Minnesota Hockey more than hockey in other areas. Minnesota Hockey has historically done it's own thing, and has often clashed with AHAUS, USA Hockey (see recent Pewee checking rule), and the NCAA. We develop, recruit, and play our own. That won't change regardless of whether CHL players are allowed in the NCAA.

 

[solovsfett]

Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

Pray tell where any of the "3" "CHL" posters ever stated the CHL>NCAA......unless of course you mean those who wish the current structure to exclude the CHL remains in place as they obviously feel CHL players are better and will bump out the little Minny high school players en mass.

Happy, please tell me the percentage of players who jump right into the NCAA from you little quaint Minnesota high school leagues. My guess is that it quite below the 50% mark and that many of your elite graduating high school players go on to the USHL for one or two seasons before entering the NCAA….So yes we know that according to you, the average CHL player is far superior to anything in your high school leagues but please explain to us non Minnesotans how the CHL would ruin your high school hockey leagues if they were to become eligible?

you know better than this. you imply CHL>NCAA annually. you're one of the 3 to whom I refer.

CHL aged-out players won't make a dimesworth of difference in the NCAA, and very likely won't make the rosters of the big schools I generally watch, namely Wisconsin and the teams they play against (MN, Nodak, CC, DU)

Stepan, McDonagh, McBain, Oshie, Toews, P. Martin, Ballard, Leopold, J. Pohl, and the list goes on and on and on. if you think the age-out CHL'ers would supplant these guys on an NCAA roster I want what you're smokin

EDIT - I'll add that since this ban has been in effect since what? 88? 89? NCAA hockey has been fine. if anything the # of NHL'ers produced by the NCAA since that time to the present has increased dramatically.

as for the recent group of kids to spurn their commitments, it goes in cycles. see what transpires over the next 4 years