Raids on Collge Hockey Programs

[JDUBBS1280]

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That's a great point Happy. I guess it's ok that the CHL cuts off their eligibility at 20, but it's not ok that we don't want to see more influx of 20 year old freshmen in college hockey. And again, because it seems to be the only argument the CHL enthusiasts have, I'd prefer not to see 20 year old freshmen from the USHL or any other league either.

 

[jnacc]

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I want the NCAA to be more like the greatest ever, the CHL.


The greatest thing ever, the CHL, agrees with me, when a kid gets too old, they kick him to the side.


If the greatest fans ever, CHL fans, don't have to watch old guys, than neither do I.


If 22 year old players are not good enough for the greatest ever, the CHL, then I don't want them polluting my ice.

Well we are getting to the meat o the matter aren't we....this has nothing to do with the CHL at all but rather the age of incoming recruits. So according to you, we should place limits on all incoming players no matter what league they are coming from, the CHL, USHL, NAHL...no matter, if you are over the age of 18 then no dice.

I'm sure you are disgusted with the way the NCAA is currently run...with the average of age of most freshman at 20 or more...good thing that you still have your high school hockey to watch.......but this thread was never about that Happy, it was about how the NCAA is losing out on the best young talent and whether or not it would be better for that talent not to be lost forever to the NCAA because of some arcane rule that only hockey in the entire NCAA follows.

 

[4four4]

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"The University of Minnesota Winning the National Championship with an all-American team was the biggest accomplishment for USA Hockey" - Clarence Campbell, Commissioner of the NHL (1946-1977).

This is an interesting quote from the former NHL Commissioner and It really says a lot how much the NCAA has grown over the years.

 

[Happy]

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Well we are getting to the meat o the matter aren't we....this has nothing to do with the CHL at all but rather the age of incoming recruits. So according to you, we should place limits on all incoming players no matter what league they are coming from, the CHL, USHL, NAHL...no matter, if you are over the age of 18 then no dice.

I'm sure you are disgusted with the way the NCAA is currently run...with the average of age of most freshman at 20 or more...good thing that you still have your high school hockey to watch.......but this thread was never about that Happy, it was about how the NCAA is losing out on the best young talent and whether or not it would be better for that talent not to be lost forever to the NCAA because of some arcane rule that only hockey in the entire NCAA follows.

that, and I hate Canadians. Especially overage Canadians.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

"The University of Minnesota Winning the National Championship with an all-American team was the biggest accomplishment for USA Hockey" - Clarence Campbell, Commissioner of the NHL (1946-1977).

This is an interesting quote from the former NHL Commissioner and It really says a lot how much the NCAA has grown over the years.

It obviously came before the 1980 Olympics, but I can't think of a bigger accomplishment for United States hockey otherwise. After all, in the 60+ year history of NCAA hockey, how many programs have accomplished that? USA Hockey has come a long ways, but we have a ways to go.

 

[jnacc]

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that, and I hate Canadians. Especially overage Canadians.

Then stay within your little walls gramps....the game and time has passed you bye....this thread was not supposed to based on your xenophobic/ethnic hatreds, but it is very telling...very telling indeed.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

You keep saying "the NCAA is losing all the best talent", yet continue to ignore that I've shown you this isn't the case everywhere. Not just Minnesota, but I think the majority of Wisconsin and North Dakota players go the NCAA route as well. Maybe the problem isn't with the current NCAA system, but with your youth hockey culture.

And I know what you're gonna say. The CHL is a better development route. They may produce more NHL players than the NCAA, but Minnesota produces more NHL players than any other state in this country, and with far less people to draw from than Michigan, Mass, New York, Illinois, etc...

If the CHL is such a good development path for American players, and not just more successful at producing NHL players because it's the primary development route for Canadians, then why is this the case?

After all, with a larger population and more players choosing the CHL, shouldn't a state like Michigan have far more NHL players than Minnesota, and not less?

 

[Happy]

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Then stay within your little walls gramps....the game and time has passed you bye....this thread was not supposed to based on your xenophobic/ethnic hatreds, but it is very telling...very telling indeed.

I didn't know Canadians were an ethnicity. No wonder I hate them. I guess even Gramps can learn something from a short bus tard like you.

 

[jnacc]

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I didn't know Canadians were an ethnicity. No wonder I hate them. I guess even Gramps can learn something from a short bus tard like you.

Hey I just drive the short bus that picks up your grand kids....cause the apples didn't fall far from the tree old man.

After all, with a larger population and more players choosing the CHL, shouldn't a state like Michigan have far more NHL players than Minnesota, and not less?

Believe it or not but hockey is not the number one sport with youths in Michigan where as in Minnesota it may be and that makes a huge difference.

As for the NCAA losing the best talent...well for the most part they are and by that I mean the elite talent, the 1st and 2nd round NHL prospects. No, college hockey isn't losing all the best talent, but it is a far cry from five or six years ago when college hockey would have 8 or 9 players taken in the 1st round of the NHL entry draft.

The CHL is an excellent route, so much so that it scares the dentures off an old man like Happy pants but my question and the entire thrust of this thread has been why should the NCAA be against the CHL and not try and work with it?

 

[Happy]

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Hey I just drive the short bus that picks up your grand kids....cause the apples didn't fall far from the tree old man.



Believe it or not but hockey is not the number one sport with youths in Michigan where as in Minnesota it may be and that makes a huge difference.

As for the NCAA losing the best talent...well for the most part they are and by that I mean the elite talent, the 1st and 2nd round NHL prospects. No, college hockey isn't losing all the best talent, but it is a far cry from five or six years ago when college hockey would have 8 or 9 players taken in the 1st round of the NHL entry draft.

The CHL is an excellent route, so much so that it scares the dentures off an old man like Happy pants but my question and the entire thrust of this thread has been why should the NCAA be against the CHL and not try and work with it?

wouldn't it be a lot easier for the CHL try and work with the NCAA? You know, stop paying players under the table, and all that. the CHL comes off as a bunch of pedophiles, always chasing after 15 year old boys. Is that why you like it so much?

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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That may be true that hockey isn't the number one sport in Michigan, but Michigan also has nearly twice the population. Hence, Minnesota only has 70 some more registered hockey players. So, you can't use the "more people play in Minnesota" excuse. It's true, but not significant enough to explain why, despite a vastly larger number of Michigan players going to the CHL, why Minnesota produces more NHL players?

Personally, I'd be worried more about 1) getting your registration numbers back to where they should be and 2) getting your kids to stick around instead of heading to the CHL. Then you won't need to worry about losing so many players.

 

[solovsfett]

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Is it possible for you to have a discussion and not be a gigantic ***?

no...it is not possible.

 

[solovsfett]

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Well let’s start from the top here....I clearly stated that "they" feel, referring to posters such as Happy who see lifting the ban as the Armageddon for high school hockey in Minny. Secondly, if the CHL would have little to no effect on Minnesota High school Hockey (which I agree with wholeheartedly) then why should the ban remain in place???




Once again, this aint 1976 anymore Grampa. Back then there was what, 100,000 registered hockey players in the U.S. Today there are close to 500K. Only you and your ilk who feel that CHLers and Canadian in general are so superior to U.S. ones think that a school like Denver would revert back to a 100% CHL laden Canadian roster.




My you have always been a yappy little puppy dog for ever chasing your stubby tail.....guess what Slovos, we are on the same page here....you just can't see it. Naturally you could not find a shred of evidence where I and the other two posters always state CHL>NCAA but you cannot even comprehend what we are saying.....Of course no aged out CHLer would bump any of the players you mentioned, all they would do is raise the level of play by providing the smaller schools (the have-nots) with a greater talent pool in order to be more competitive with the larger schools....it would be a win-win. People like Happy don't see it that way, he feels that these aged out CHLers would bump the American born players out and we would revert back to what college hockey looked like in the mid to late 70's. I don't buy that and, even if you can't figure it out....either do you!

Jnacc I know it's difficult (traditionally) on this board to debate w/out calling names and acting like HS'ers which we most certainly are not, not to mention acting (you) like you're some effing mensa candidate and the person you're debating is some backward hick...give that tired song a rest already.

so let me respond to your points this way:

1. as far as evidence w/you and CHL>NCAA. really? are you serious? every **** year you come in here w/some garbage about the CHL is great and better players and blah blah blah and it's tiresome. and you know why it is tiresome? because this is an NCAA HOCKEY BOARD. Not a CHL board. jesus. and I've had this debate w/you previously. ad nauseum actually. so you're either not remembering that (doubtful) or just playing dumb



2. YOU SAY (emphasis again...YOU SAY) the aged-out CHL'ers would improve NCAA hockey.

there's no evidence to prove that whatsoever. I personally suspect you're wrong. again, these aged-out guys would have a tough enough time making the UW/UMN/NODAK/DU/CC/BU/BC 4th line. if they make it to AIC or RIT fine. but they're still going to get their asses handed to them. and how does that raise the level of hockey in the NCAA?

 

[Happy]

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Jnacc I know it's difficult (traditionally) on this board to debate w/out calling names and acting like HS'ers which we most certainly are not, not to mention acting (you) like you're some effing mensa candidate and the person you're debating is some backward hick...give that tired song a rest already.

so let me respond to your points this way:

1. as far as evidence w/you and CHL>NCAA. really? are you serious? every **** year you come in here w/some garbage about the CHL is great and better players and blah blah blah and it's tiresome. and you know why it is tiresome? because this is an NCAA HOCKEY BOARD. Not a CHL board. jesus. and I've had this debate w/you previously. ad nauseum actually. so you're either not remembering that (doubtful) or just playing dumb



2. YOU SAY (emphasis again...YOU SAY) the aged-out CHL'ers would improve NCAA hockey.

there's no evidence to prove that whatsoever. I personally suspect you're wrong. again, these aged-out guys would have a tough enough time making the UW/UMN/NODAK/DU/CC/BU/BC 4th line. if they make it to AIC or RIT fine. but they're still going to get their asses handed to them. and how does that raise the level of hockey in the NCAA?

Which brings up the point, if he thinks the CHL is so **** good, why doesn't he just watch that, and leave NCAA alone? I might have to start a "CHL is going down the tubes" thread if he keeps this up.

 

[Slap Shot]

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No, college hockey isn't losing all the best talent, but it is a far cry from five or six years ago when college hockey would have 8 or 9 players taken in the 1st round of the NHL entry draft.

Kind of, but not really.

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/almanac/draft-history.php

NHL Draft History, NCAA Player

YEAR FIRST ROUND
2011 4
2010 9
2009 7
2008 4
2007 11
2006 8
2005 8
2004 7
2003 9
2002 6
2001 5
2000 7

In the 90's there was never more than 3 NCAA players taken in the 1st round and in two different years there were 0.

 

[jnacc]

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wouldn't it be a lot easier for the CHL try and work with the NCAA? You know, stop paying players under the table, and all that. the CHL comes off as a bunch of pedophiles, always chasing after 15 year old boys. Is that why you like it so much?

Again, why should the CHL turn down millions of dollars in transfer money from the NHL when it is clearly the NCAA that has the problem....as for chasing kids....I wouldn't dare impose on one of the few pleasures you may have left there geezer....

That may be true that hockey isn't the number one sport in Michigan, but Michigan also has nearly twice the population. Hence, Minnesota only has 70 some more registered hockey players. So, you can't use the "more people play in Minnesota" excuse. It's true, but not significant enough to explain why, despite a vastly larger number of Michigan players going to the CHL, why Minnesota produces more NHL players?

Exactly how many more NHL players does Minnesota produce? The way you make it sound, Minnesota has a clear commanding lead over Michigan but in all actuality it really doesn't. Minnesota only had 9 more players in the NHL than Michigan in 2010...not much of a gap really now is it? Source http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...uces-the-most-nhl-players-top-5-states/page/6
And by the way, a few of those Minnesota players chose the WHL route. Now by the 2011 season that gap was closed to only 4 more players from the "state of hockey"....source http://unitedstatesofhockey.com/2011/01/14/where-do-they-come-from-a-look-at-americans-in-the-nhl/

So obviously there is nothing wrong with the development system in Michigan!

1. as far as evidence w/you and CHL>NCAA. really? are you serious? every **** year you come in here w/some garbage about the CHL is great and better players and blah blah blah and it's tiresome. and you know why it is tiresome? because this is an NCAA HOCKEY BOARD. Not a CHL board. jesus. and I've had this debate w/you previously. ad nauseum actually. so you're either not remembering that (doubtful) or just playing dumb

More yapping from my favorite pup....show me the evidence boy....until then stop putting words into my mouth cause I know I never made the claim that the CHL is > than the NCAA

2. YOU SAY (emphasis again...YOU SAY) the aged-out CHL'ers would improve NCAA hockey.

there's no evidence to prove that whatsoever. I personally suspect you're wrong. again, these aged-out guys would have a tough enough time making the UW/UMN/NODAK/DU/CC/BU/BC 4th line. if they make it to AIC or RIT fine. but they're still going to get their asses handed to them. and how does that raise the level of hockey in the NCAA?

Western Ontario, a CIS school that has a roster of mainly "aged out" CHLers beat both LSSU and Michigan State last year and only lost to Michigan by a score of 4-2. I saw this school play and I can tell you that many of those players could have not only made Lake State's roster but improved it by a significant amount and allowed it to better compete against the Wisconsin's and Michigan's of the world.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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No, you make it sound like Michigan should have a clear and commanding lead because the CHL is so spectacular at developing players and FAR more players from Michigan than Minnesota play in the CHL. You guys are the ones who are trying to make it sound like Minnesota's community-based youth system is broken, yet that community-based youth system and the NCAA seem to be doing just fine compared to your AAA youth model and CHL development route.

So, next time you want to cry about losing some of your players to the CHL, and then try to blame the CHL ban on Minnesota Hockey, maybe you guys in Michigan should take a long look in the mirror and start questioning the way you do things instead of blaming your problems on us.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

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And also, you have nearly TWICE the population. You SHOULD have MORE players in the NHL than us. The fact that you trail us, by ANY margin, is significant.

 

[4four4]

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Western Ontario, a CIS school that has a roster of mainly "aged out" CHLers beat both LSSU and Michigan State last year and only lost to Michigan by a score of 4-2. I saw this school play and I can tell you that many of those players could have not only made Lake State's roster but improved it by a significant amount and allowed it to better compete against the Wisconsin's and Michigan's of the world.

You can't be serious. Did you know last year the greatest soccer program on the planet Man U lost to the MLS's Sporting Kansas City in a friendly? From your logic that means Sporting is awesome and they are not. You can't tell anything how good teams are when nothing is on the line. In exhibition games the NCAA doesn't play their best players just like Man U didn't play all their best players.

 

[jnacc]

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You can't be serious. Did you know last year the greatest soccer program on the planet Man U lost to the MLS's Sporting Kansas City in a friendly? From your logic that means Sporting is awesome and they are not. You can't tell anything how good teams are when nothing is on the line. In exhibition games the NCAA doesn't play their best players just like Man U didn't play all their best players.

Oh crap...so on the one hand overage CHLers suck because look how bad the CIS teams do but if a CIS program does well, it doesn't mean anything becauese it's just an exhibition......make up your friggen minds!!!!!