JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
Double post, sorry
Double post, sorry
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Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
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Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
LOL...oh yeah forgot about that....some overage Candian playing for NoDak must have knocked up his daughter....its the only grandkid he has that doesn't ride the short bus....all the more reason to hate em all as he makes his other kids look bad!
Don't forget over aged. He hammers that.
LOL...oh yeah forgot about that....some overage Candian playing for NoDak must have knocked up his daughter....its the only grandkid he has that doesn't ride the short bus....all the more reason to hate em all as he makes his other kids look bad!
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
Your forgetting that nearly 15,000 of the youth numbers you listed for Minnesota are for girls hockey (which is much larger in Minnesota than Michigan). The Michigan boys youth numbers are pretty similiar to the Minnesota boys youth numbers (which is sad considering your population advantage, which is why I brought it up). When China joins USA Hockey, let me know, as then they would be relevant to this discussion.
And yes, there has been finger pointing. Not as much by you as by your fellow statesman Lakerblue, who is too ignorant to realize that the CHL has very little impact on Minnesota Hockey (whether CHL players are allowed to play in the NCAA or not).
As I said before, I have absolutely no problem with CHL players who are 18 or under playing in the NCAA. However, I am less convinced that letting players play out their CHL eligibility, and then coming to the NCAA because that's their best remaining option, is a good thing for NCAA hockey.
You're right, there are players who play in the USHL and other leagues until they are 19 or 20. Here is the big difference. A vast majority of the time, it isn't their top choice. Most of these players would rather be playing in the NCAA, but either don't have an offer or the team they have committed to wants them to play there. They aren't playing in the USHL because they CHOSE not to play NCAA hockey. At some point, these players need to show that they WANT to play in the NCAA, and not just because their CHL eligibility has run out.
Personally, I would rather work on fixing the perception that the CHL is the better development route for American players. It's true, the CHL produces more NHL players, but that is much more a product of the CHL being the preferred development route for Canadian players than it is the fact that it is the better development route. This is evident by the fact that very few players from Minnesota play in the CHL, yet Minnesota continues to produce as many NHL players as anywhere else in this country.
Your forgetting that nearly 15,000 of the youth numbers you listed for Minnesota are for girls hockey (which is much larger in Minnesota than Michigan). The Michigan boys youth numbers are pretty similiar to the Minnesota boys youth numbers (which is sad considering your population advantage, which is why I brought it up). When China joins USA Hockey, let me know, as then they would be relevant to this discussion.
And yes, there has been finger pointing. Not as much by you as by your fellow statesman Lakerblue, who is too ignorant to realize that the CHL has very little impact on Minnesota Hockey (whether CHL players are allowed to play in the NCAA or not).
As I said before, I have absolutely no problem with CHL players who are 18 or under playing in the NCAA. However, I am less convinced that letting players play out their CHL eligibility, and then coming to the NCAA because that's their best remaining option, is a good thing for NCAA hockey.
You're right, there are players who play in the USHL and other leagues until they are 19 or 20. Here is the big difference. A vast majority of the time, it isn't their top choice. Most of these players would rather be playing in the NCAA, but either don't have an offer or the team they have committed to wants them to play there. They aren't playing in the USHL because they CHOSE not to play NCAA hockey. At some point, these players need to show that they WANT to play in the NCAA, and not just because their CHL eligibility has run out.
Personally, I would rather work on fixing the perception that the CHL is the better development route for American players. It's true, the CHL produces more NHL players, but that is much more a product of the CHL being the preferred development route for Canadian players than it is the fact that it is the better development route. This is evident by the fact that very few players from Minnesota play in the CHL, yet Minnesota continues to produce as many NHL players as anywhere else in this country.
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
Happy is a closed-minded biggot, which is good for him -- but pretty bad for the other Minnesotans who appear to take him entirely seriously enough on a regular basis. If he is a random biggot troll, then perhaps the other Minnesota supporters would distance themselves -- but you know what? They never do. In fact, most of the Minnesotan posters on this thread have "happily" played along and "happily" support his bilge without a single utterance of distain. So it starts to look, smell, and feel, like the Minnesotan posters herein agree with his statements. You can use the excuse that his is trolling -- and some people can use the excuse thta he is just trying to get a rise out of people -- but when his comments expertly and exactly mirror the suspected prejudice, bias, and biggotry known to steam out Minnesota like a honey bucket in August . . . well . . . those excuses fall pretty flat.
No, I think Happy and his sentiments are fully and entirely intended to mean exaclty what he says. At least he has the courage, of a fashion, to stand up and be counted as a closed-minded isolated protectionist prejudiced biggot. I haven't seen anything from other Minnesota posters who think too differently from him.
And I say again: why should the NCAA, and all the other American kids (and, in fact, all the talented Minnesota kids) be held hostage by this closed-minded xenophobic biggotry against all things which aren't 100% Minnesotan? Why should all the other regional hockey programs be prisoner simply because of a collection of protectionist isolationists in Minnesota?
Happy is a closed-minded biggot, which is good for him -- but pretty bad for the other Minnesotans who appear to take him entirely seriously enough on a regular basis. If he is a random biggot troll, then perhaps the other Minnesota supporters would distance themselves -- but you know what? They never do. In fact, most of the Minnesotan posters on this thread have "happily" played along and "happily" support his bilge without a single utterance of distain. So it starts to look, smell, and feel, like the Minnesotan posters herein agree with his statements. You can use the excuse that his is trolling -- and some people can use the excuse thta he is just trying to get a rise out of people -- but when his comments expertly and exactly mirror the suspected prejudice, bias, and biggotry known to steam out Minnesota like a honey bucket in August . . . well . . . those excuses fall pretty flat.
No, I think Happy and his sentiments are fully and entirely intended to mean exaclty what he says. At least he has the courage, of a fashion, to stand up and be counted as a closed-minded isolated protectionist prejudiced biggot. I haven't seen anything from other Minnesota posters who think too differently from him.
And I say again: why should the NCAA, and all the other American kids (and, in fact, all the talented Minnesota kids) be held hostage by this closed-minded xenophobic biggotry against all things which aren't 100% Minnesotan? Why should all the other regional hockey programs be prisoner simply because of a collection of protectionist isolationists in Minnesota?
Happy
Registered User
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
This is fun, I get to be called a bigot, and you get to be Al Sharpton. Don't you know I have spent ten years tirelessly fighting against the Fighting Sioux nickname out of love for my Indian brothers.
This is fun, I get to be called a bigot, and you get to be Al Sharpton. Don't you know I have spent ten years tirelessly fighting against the Fighting Sioux nickname out of love for my Indian brothers.
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
why are you so hell bent on letting aged-out CHL'ers into the NCAA?
is LSSU really that out of the recruiting game that you think they need that?
the rules have been in place and unchanged for what, 20 years? 25?
Like the list of first round NHL picks w/NCAA affiliation shows, the CHL hasn't been that big a detriment to college hockey, particularly college hockey developing NHL-caliber talent
why are you so hell bent on letting aged-out CHL'ers into the NCAA?
is LSSU really that out of the recruiting game that you think they need that?
the rules have been in place and unchanged for what, 20 years? 25?
Like the list of first round NHL picks w/NCAA affiliation shows, the CHL hasn't been that big a detriment to college hockey, particularly college hockey developing NHL-caliber talent
Siouxfaninseattle
Fighting Sioux Fan Forever
Happy
Registered User
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
it's the off season, everybody is undefeated and happy.
it's the off season, everybody is undefeated and happy.
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This is the most laughable thing ever. You hate UND and that is the only reason you fought.
Siouxfaninseattle
Fighting Sioux Fan Forever
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
Even when you factor in the number of girl hockey players, the over-all number of players still heavily favor Minnesota....35611 U-18 registered male players compared to 28554 players in Michigan....there is nothing similar about those two numbers, Minnesota enjoys a 20% gap in the number of youth players but that gap only translates into 13% more players in the NHL.....Michigan then, relative to the numbers, is doing much better than Minnesota. I'll leave it for you to decide if it is because more Michigan players choose the CHL at a greater percentage than Minny players.....
Relax the rules and you will see that many CHLers, especially the American ones, will decide to play in the NCAA.
Even when you factor in the number of girl hockey players, the over-all number of players still heavily favor Minnesota....35611 U-18 registered male players compared to 28554 players in Michigan....there is nothing similar about those two numbers, Minnesota enjoys a 20% gap in the number of youth players but that gap only translates into 13% more players in the NHL.....Michigan then, relative to the numbers, is doing much better than Minnesota. I'll leave it for you to decide if it is because more Michigan players choose the CHL at a greater percentage than Minny players.....
Relax the rules and you will see that many CHLers, especially the American ones, will decide to play in the NCAA.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
"Between the 2005 and 2011 NHL Entry Drafts, there have been 52 Americans selected in the first round. Here is where those 52 players played their 16-year-old season:"
NTDP – 24; MN-HS – 11; OHL – 5; Prep School – 4; USHL – 2; WHL – 1; Shattuck – 1; AtJHL – 1; EmJHL – 1; Midget AAA – 2.
Looks like MN's development model is doing ok.
Note: The Shattuck player was Kyle Okposo, a Minnesotan who played NCAA hockey. Three of the NTDP players were Minnesotans: E. Johnson, D. Forbort (both Minnesotans who played NCAA hockey) and Jarred Tinordi (a Minnesotan-born player with Canadian heritage who decided to play in the OHL instead of at Notre Dame).
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JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
And I wouldn't mind at all if they relaxed the rules. It wouldn't effect Minnesota hockey what-so-ever. From the NCAA's perspective, I think cutting the eligibility down to kids 18 or under would be better for college hockey than just lifting the ban with no restrictions. I think kids should choose to play NCAA hockey, and not come just because their CHL eligibility has run out.
And I wouldn't mind at all if they relaxed the rules. It wouldn't effect Minnesota hockey what-so-ever. From the NCAA's perspective, I think cutting the eligibility down to kids 18 or under would be better for college hockey than just lifting the ban with no restrictions. I think kids should choose to play NCAA hockey, and not come just because their CHL eligibility has run out.
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Slap Shot
I got nothing
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
And I say again: When will you drop the chip from your shoulder, stop whining about Minnesota and explain why the rules should be changed? I'm starting to think you're a troll.
And I say again: When will you drop the chip from your shoulder, stop whining about Minnesota and explain why the rules should be changed? I'm starting to think you're a troll.
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There is a place fo the CIS but remember it still is an exhibition and rarely do teams like Minnesota skate their best players.
There is a place fo the CIS but remember it still is an exhibition and rarely do teams like Minnesota skate their best players.
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That will be interesting. IMO, if Delany and company start paying their athletes it will hurt every college outside of the Big Ten in every sport a cross the board.
That will be interesting. IMO, if Delany and company start paying their athletes it will hurt every college outside of the Big Ten in every sport a cross the board.
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I agree my friend and they have no reason to exclude CHL if that happens.
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Not that I need to bend to anyone's demands. And I suspect you have the ability to read the earlier drafts of this thread, or maybe even most of the latest parts of the thread, wherein the merits (from my perspective) of dropping the CHL ban are discussed in very long postings, over and over again. I don't think the other readers (who have already been subjected to my prose) want a repeat.
Not that I need to bend to anyone's demands. And I suspect you have the ability to read the earlier drafts of this thread, or maybe even most of the latest parts of the thread, wherein the merits (from my perspective) of dropping the CHL ban are discussed in very long postings, over and over again. I don't think the other readers (who have already been subjected to my prose) want a repeat.
FreddyFoyle
AUS & CIS Hockey Nut
Re: Raids on Collge Hockey Programs
According to Le Soleil (main Quebec City newspaper) highly touted 15-almost-16 year old left winger Anthony Duclair will be deciding today whether to choose the QMJHL's Quebec Remparts over Boston College. The Remparts of course are owned by Patrick Roy.
The story lede makes it sound like a done deal (and Quebec sports journalists like to believe they have influence) and Duclair's quote says he will publicly make up his mind today. He toured the Quebec Colisee yesterday.
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/sports/les-remparts/201108/14/01-4425976-impressionne-par-les-remparts-anthony-duclair-prendra-sa-decision-aujourdhui.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B9_sports_751_section_POS1
(Québec) Si on fait l'inventaire des points positifs et négatifs de sa réflexion à propos de son avenir, tout indique qu'Anthony Duclair enfilera l'uniforme des Remparts de Québec au-delà d'une période de 48 heures. En fait, le jeune hockeyeur n'aura besoin que de 24 heures pour prendre sa décision finale.
«Je vais décider demain [aujourd'hui] et je dirai publiquement ce que je fais dans deux jours [demain]. Pour l'instant, je n'ai pas encore fait mon choix», confiait le choix de troisième ronde en 2011 avec assurance.
Rough translation: If one inventories the positives and negatives reflecting on his future, all indication are that Anthony Duclair will be be wearing a Quebec Remparts uniform within the next 48 hours. In fact, the young hockey player needs less than 24 hours to make his final decision.
"I will decide tomorrow (today) and I will publicly state what I will do in two days (tomorrow). For now, I have not made my choice," confided with assurance the third round choice in 2011.
According to Le Soleil (main Quebec City newspaper) highly touted 15-almost-16 year old left winger Anthony Duclair will be deciding today whether to choose the QMJHL's Quebec Remparts over Boston College. The Remparts of course are owned by Patrick Roy.
The story lede makes it sound like a done deal (and Quebec sports journalists like to believe they have influence) and Duclair's quote says he will publicly make up his mind today. He toured the Quebec Colisee yesterday.
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/le-soleil/sports/les-remparts/201108/14/01-4425976-impressionne-par-les-remparts-anthony-duclair-prendra-sa-decision-aujourdhui.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B9_sports_751_section_POS1
(Québec) Si on fait l'inventaire des points positifs et négatifs de sa réflexion à propos de son avenir, tout indique qu'Anthony Duclair enfilera l'uniforme des Remparts de Québec au-delà d'une période de 48 heures. En fait, le jeune hockeyeur n'aura besoin que de 24 heures pour prendre sa décision finale.
«Je vais décider demain [aujourd'hui] et je dirai publiquement ce que je fais dans deux jours [demain]. Pour l'instant, je n'ai pas encore fait mon choix», confiait le choix de troisième ronde en 2011 avec assurance.
Rough translation: If one inventories the positives and negatives reflecting on his future, all indication are that Anthony Duclair will be be wearing a Quebec Remparts uniform within the next 48 hours. In fact, the young hockey player needs less than 24 hours to make his final decision.
"I will decide tomorrow (today) and I will publicly state what I will do in two days (tomorrow). For now, I have not made my choice," confided with assurance the third round choice in 2011.
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