Quinnipiac Bobcats 2021-22 - Let's get this party started!

[Fishman'81]

Horrible decision….my three teenagers were even like….why Is he doing that?!!
We had all the momentum….didn’t even need another skater….but one bad pass and loss of possession against that team….game over….Rand! You were buzzing….too risky with 4 minutes left.

Luke Hughes best college player I’ve seen since Cal Makar….gonna be an NHL top Dman for many years

Worst coaching decision I've seen for years, maybe ever.

The Q had taken over the game, then it had to defend an empty goal with 4 minutes left, and only down one?

Idiotic.

 

[Skate79]

The shorthanded goal near the end of the second period was the killer. If that doesn’t happen, you don’t make the decision to pull the goalie and i think you might have won it in regulation. You were buzzing Michigan and they had no answers. Unfortunately their fourth line dominated and I’m sure no one saw that coming. The Wolverines are a stacked team but but you gave them a good run for their money.

 

[J.D.]

I know this is what Rand does but absolutely absurd to me to pull the goalie when he did given how the game had turned and that Michigan was horrible in their own end all night. That game was bananas. Portillo's first period was the real difference.

 

[J.D.]

According to the advanced metrics, you actually should pull the goalie earlier than you would otherwise think, because it gives you more of a chance to get that goal. Yes, it also gives you more of a chance of giving up an ENG, but the advanced metrics say you should take that chance. Most coaches wait too long to pull the goalie, and their teams never really get the chance. It blew up so it was the wrong decision, but it was the right move to make. Maybe it was 30-60 seconds too early, but you'd be surprised how early the advanced stats say goalies should be pulled in that situation.

As for the game, incredible fight by Quinnipiac. Michigan was incredible tonight; no wonder they're the No. 1 team in the country. They scored on every chance they had, and Quinnipiac just wasn't nearly as lethal. But we hung with them throughout the game. After the first 5 minutes, we were fine in the first two periods. Not great, and could have gotten more, but we were fine.

Kind of felt like Perets ran out of gas at the end of the season. He still made some incredible saves, but he definitely wasn't nearly as good the last two weekends. Still an incredible season and he should finish high up the Hobey ranks.

Sad the season is over, but we proved we belong with the big dogs. We played in a weak ECAC, but we were no fluke. No shame in going out to the Wolverines this season.

Nobody really pulls the goalie down 1 with 4 minutes left. And especially not with how the game was going. If you were losing 1-0 and couldn't generate anything i could understand it. But he easily should have waited till the 2-2:15 mark.

 

[Fishman'81]

The shorthanded goal near the end of the second period was the killer. If that doesn’t happen, you don’t make the decision to pull the goalie and i think you might have won it in regulation. You were buzzing Michigan and they had no answers. Unfortunately their fourth line dominated and I’m sure no one saw that coming. The Wolverines are a stacked team but but you gave them a good run for their money.

Four minutes + left, Q carrying the play... And you leave MI an empty net to shoot at...?

A very very very very bad decision. Even a moronic call, IMO.

QU had a shot at winning that game before that happened.

Bad coaching, no two ways about it.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Nobody really pulls the goalie down 1 with 4 minutes left. And especially not with how the game was going. If you were losing 1-0 and couldn't generate anything i could understand it. But he easily should have waited till the 2-2:15 mark.

According to the research, the right time to pull the goalie is with 6 minutes left. It seems weird to the conventional hockey fan because you never see a coach put their neck out on the line the way Rand did, but it was the correct move. Even despite the "momentum" which is one of those made-up things that doesn't really exist. We were playing great and might have scored in those last few minutes without pulling the goalie, but the way to give yourself the best chance to score is pull the goalie. Rand has won a hell of a lot more games than anyone on this forum. I trust that his decision-making process was sound. It's a shame it didn't work -- that would have been one of the greatest comebacks in NCAA Tournament history.

 

[J.D.]

I guess he must be ahead of his time then because most if not all coaches are keeping the goalie in there based on how it was going.

 

[J.D.]

I know there's a place for analytics but you can also have a pulse and a feel for the game. But whatever, falling back on analytics to defend any decision is the way to go in sports these days.

 

[BigAl]

All outsiders will say what was he doing. But we are used to Rand being aggressive. Think we all agree it was too aggressive but we have to live with it. Loved the fight from the guys. The shorty was the killer. What a season and more importantly maybe Rand has altered the way he builds a team due to the success of the grad transfers. Now we just need some more goal scorers. I’m sure QUAlum2004 will touch on it but I’m interested to see who leaves early (if any). Smilinac did not have a great season so I’m hoping he returns but not sure with his recent trade. Perets I would think returns too but am out of the loop.

 

[Fishman'81]

According to the research, the right time to pull the goalie is with 6 minutes left. It seems weird to the conventional hockey fan because you never see a coach put their neck out on the line the way Rand did, but it was the correct move. Even despite the "momentum" which is one of those made-up things that doesn't really exist. We were playing great and might have scored in those last few minutes without pulling the goalie, but the way to give yourself the best chance to score is pull the goalie. Rand has won a hell of a lot more games than anyone on this forum. I trust that his decision-making process was sound. It's a shame it didn't work -- that would have been one of the greatest comebacks in NCAA Tournament history.

Please.

If you're only down one goal with maybe 1:25 to go, there's a remote chance, if that.

NOBODY has ever pulled a goalie with six to go, and won a game.

Never.

 

[Adam_Krug#1]

(Sounds like Her Nub again, posing as a legit poster.)

[/QUOTE]

Such a jackoff. Quit breathing.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Please.

If you're only down one goal with maybe 1:25 to go, there's a remote chance, if that.

NOBODY has ever pulled a goalie with six to go, and won a game.

Never.

1:25 is way too late to pull a goalie. I know that's what other coaches do, but those coaches aren't doing the right thing. Rand does this sort of thing all the time. If you pull the goalie with 3 minutes left, you may have a 25% chance of scoring. If you do it with 1 minute left, you have under a 10% chance. It's a major difference. Rand went for broke. If it works, he's a genius. If it doesn't work, he's the goat. It didn't work, but it was still the right move. He was asked postgame if he regretted it, and he gave a one-word, two-letter answer. The guy has over 1,000 wins. He knows what he was doing.

 

[QUFan]

1:25 is way too late to pull a goalie. I know that's what other coaches do, but those coaches aren't doing the right thing. Rand does this sort of thing all the time. If you pull the goalie with 3 minutes left, you may have a 25% chance of scoring. If you do it with 1 minute left, you have under a 10% chance. It's a major difference. Rand went for broke. If it works, he's a genius. If it doesn't work, he's the goat. It didn't work, but it was still the right move. He was asked postgame if he regretted it, and he gave a one-word, two-letter answer. The guy has over 1,000 wins. He knows what he was doing.

Not over 1000 yet (high 500s) but you’re still right. I doubt a single QU fan that said oh no, was actually surprised. There was 6:20 left last Saturday night when Rand pulled Perets against Harvard and Lee scored 4 seconds after the face off. Yes it was on a PP but he had the opportunity he thought and he went for it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[kingcaliente]

According to the advanced metrics, you actually should pull the goalie earlier than you would otherwise think, because it gives you more of a chance to get that goal. Yes, it also gives you more of a chance of giving up an ENG, but the advanced metrics say you should take that chance. Most coaches wait too long to pull the goalie, and their teams never really get the chance. It blew up so it was the wrong decision, but it was the right move to make. Maybe it was 30-60 seconds too early, but you'd be surprised how early the advanced stats say goalies should be pulled in that situation.

As for the game, incredible fight by Quinnipiac. Michigan was incredible tonight; no wonder they're the No. 1 team in the country. They scored on every chance they had, and Quinnipiac just wasn't nearly as lethal. But we hung with them throughout the game. After the first 5 minutes, we were fine in the first two periods. Not great, and could have gotten more, but we were fine.

Kind of felt like Perets ran out of gas at the end of the season. He still made some incredible saves, but he definitely wasn't nearly as good the last two weekends. Still an incredible season and he should finish high up the Hobey ranks.

Sad the season is over, but we proved we belong with the big dogs. We played in a weak ECAC, but we were no fluke. No shame in going out to the Wolverines this season.

Dude!…You weren’t fine, you were down 4-0!…Q made a brilliant comeback but the coach lacked confidence and patience and pulled the goalie too early…And that was that. Great season, congrats! Go Bulldogs!

 

[ZYanksRule]

Dude!…You weren’t fine, you were down 4-0!…Q made a brilliant comeback but the coach lacked confidence and patience and pulled the goalie too early…And that was that. Great season, congrats! Go Bulldogs!

I know what the score was. My point is that QU wasn't playing poorly. Michigan was just scoring their chances and Quinnipiac wasn't. Saying we were fine isn't a referendum on whether we were winning in that moment, it's talking about how we were playing. I didn't think we were that bad tonight, there was some bad luck in the first 40.

 

[ZYanksRule]

Not over 1000 yet (high 500s) but you’re still right. I doubt a single QU fan that said oh no, was actually surprised. There was 6:20 left last Saturday night when Rand pulled Perets against Harvard and Lee scored 4 seconds after the face off. Yes it was on a PP but he had the opportunity he thought and he went for it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm sorry. 1,000 games coached not 1,000 games won.

 

[QUFan]

I'm sorry. 1,000 games coached not 1,000 games won.

He’s going to get there!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[robertearle]

According to the research, the right time to pull the goalie is with 6 minutes left.

For "the research" to say such a thing, I would think someone would have to have done it, and had it work out. Can you, or anybody, cite instances of that being the case? A coach pulling the goalie at six minutes, down a goal, and gone on to win the game? At five minutes? At four? The 'sample size' of such games even attempted must be miniscule?

 

[Sir Nubs]

1:25 is way too late to pull a goalie. I know that's what other coaches do, but those coaches aren't doing the right thing. Rand does this sort of thing all the time. If you pull the goalie with 3 minutes left, you may have a 25% chance of scoring. If you do it with 1 minute left, you have under a 10% chance. It's a major difference. Rand went for broke. If it works, he's a genius. If it doesn't work, he's the goat. It didn't work, but it was still the right move. He was asked postgame if he regretted it, and he gave a one-word, two-letter answer. The guy has over 1,000 wins. He knows what he was doing.

Don't bother trying to explain anything to Fishman. It is an exercise in futility.

 

[QU/UM]

Well that was not what I was expecting.

Bobcats were the better team for a big chunk of the first and pretty much the entire third. Give Portillo credit, he made a number of outstanding saves.

As others have said the shorty was the killer. Or at least it seemed to be. But damn the Bobcats had no quit in them. They had Michigan totally on their heels.

We can argue Rand's decision to pull the goalie so early. But it's something he has done before, it was not a huge surprise.

Great season overall. At this point QU is an established top 10 program. What do they have to do to get back to the Frozen Four and finally win? IMHO they need a bit more scoring punch. A couple of first/second round pick forwards who may only stay a year or 2 but in the right year could get us over the hump.