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Penn State scandal and its effect on the rising hockey program

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GopherBigGuy911 said:
I wounder what the penalty would be if your athletic department was funded on an underage prostitution ring.... :rolleyes:
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I honestly think that if this is found out to be true, there will be no more Penn State athletics. And it won't be the NCAA, it will be the federal government preventing their formation, since they would be an actual criminal organization.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I honestly think that if this is found out to be true, there will be no more Penn State athletics. And it won't be the NCAA, it will be the federal government preventing their formation, since they would be an actual criminal organization.
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While I could consider the possibility of an incredibly strong sanction, I would think that's near to impossible. College athletics is too much of an attention grabber and stake claimer for an institution like Penn State to allow to be permanently revoked. I don't know how much state involvement there is but its not in their interest for the athletics to disappear as academics will follow with it.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
I honestly think that if this is found out to be true, there will be no more Penn State athletics. And it won't be the NCAA, it will be the federal government preventing their formation, since they would be an actual criminal organization.
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Lets not be ridiculous. They didn't disband the Teamsters or AFL-CIO when the mob was running the unions at one time.
 
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SteveF said:
This is true except for the fact that the decision to fire Sandusky in 99 and the decision to ban him from bringing kids to campus in 02 both involved paterno and one can easily infer that these measures were seen as the schools official and only response.
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Likely much more will come out, making my earlier comments wrong. Looks like there was more of a coverup than I first realized.
 
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Happy said:
Likely much more will come out, making my earlier comments wrong. Looks like there was more of a coverup than I first realized.
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Thats exactly what im thinking Happy... I can see Paterno and Co enjoying their retirement in a courtroom.
 
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dggoddard said:
Lets not be ridiculous. They didn't disband the Teamsters or AFL-CIO when the mob was running the unions at one time.
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or Chicago, New Orleans or any corrupt government.
 
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dggoddard said:
Lets not be ridiculous. They didn't disband the Teamsters or AFL-CIO when the mob was running the unions at one time.
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True. But even still, I don't think that what I said is completely out of the question, it is probably worst case scenario.

How does a university continue to function normally if they were to find out that programs, teams, renovations, entire buildings, etc. were funded with child prostitution money? Even if they do, this is going to create an even bigger scar on the entire university than everyone originally thought, if the rumor proves to be true.

If you're a HS football player, why on earth would you want to go to a school where you know that your locker room (example, obviously I have no idea if this is true or not) was paid for because some rich donor was given a 10 year old boy for a weekend?
 
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Pegula tells Penn State officials he’s committed to new arena, programs

<A HREF="http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press-box/2011/11/10/pegula-tells-penn-state-officials-hes-committed-to-new-arena-programs/">READ ARTICLE</A>
 
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RaceBoarder said:
In all seriousness, any athlete or coach on this campus will be under a microscope... Things like DUI's or bar fights will get attention that might have otherwise passed over... They will need to stay clean....
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So recruiting Canadians and cheeseheads is out...
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
Pegula tells Penn State officials he’s committed to new arena, programs

<A HREF="http://www.uscho.com/from-the-press-box/2011/11/10/pegula-tells-penn-state-officials-hes-committed-to-new-arena-programs/">READ ARTICLE</A>
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It doesn't mean S H I T if there is no program to sponsor - and we all better hope and PRAY that Pegula has clean hands and a clean PEN15.....
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Seriously? Why would we "wind this thread up"? Given what has happened at PSU, disucussing whether or not the fallout will have an effect on the hockey program is definitely a valid discussion.
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You're correct. Discussing that issue and its potential fallout for the fledgling hockey program is definitely a valid discussion. Asking why not DU and speculating about the chants and taunts that will come out of it and comments of that ilk should not be part of the discussion.
 
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Patman said:
Though, that would raise an interesting point... what would happen to all the leagues and the acrimony if say it does get worse and the money is walked back? Needless to say, a lot of burned bridges in college hockey.
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That list of wealthy donors, if anywhere near the truth, is going to possibly make this the biggest sex trafficking crime (in terms of media attention) in U.S. history. And while I agree that one issue (sex crimes of a retired employee being covered up by upper-level managment) does not affect the other issue (budding hockey program) -- I also cannot believe anything and everything toucing Penn State, and specifically Penn State Athletics, will not be damaged.

I read that 23-page Grand Jury indictment. True, its just an indictment and those facts have yet to be proven through trial and cross examination. However, IF those facts are correct, then I believe many more heads will roll in Happy Valley before this ever settles. I don't care for the modern spin on situational morality and ethics -- this guy, according to the grand Jury indictment, was anally raping a 10-12 year old boy, was caught by an eye witness, and nobody called the cops. Sorry, University Police? No -- here is what you do if you're Jo Pa or an athletic director or a college president: you call the real cops of the U-cops won't act. Hiding behind the "chain of command" was the excuse used by every Nazi death camp guard. And they let him go -- they basically said, "If you want to rape children, just don't do it in a place that will compromise the integrity of PSU athletics." And I cannot waive that mindset off with a dull moral-equivilancy argument about "he reported it, what more should he have done?" Did you know that according to the testimony of ALL the parties involved, NOBODY tried to find out who that boy was? If he was safe?

Nope, I believe that the entire University is going to take a deserved hit on this mess. And the questions about teh hockey program are valid, if only because many of the people with whom the donating party was working are now smeared, or may soon be smeared, by this criminal scandal. I don't believe that budding hockey program is going to fail . . . but I also believe that anything is possible in Happy Valley right now, when a scandal like THIS beigns down Jo Pa within a few days. Anything can happen. And if the investigation starts to find other co-conspirators within the college community, and within the donor community, the ripple is going to potentially be devestating for PSU.
 
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Lakerblue said:
That list of wealthy donors, if anywhere near the truth, is going to possibly make this the biggest sex trafficking crime (in terms of media attention) in U.S. history. And while I agree that one issue (sex crimes of a retired employee being covered up by upper-level managment) does not affect the other issue (budding hockey program) -- I also cannot believe anything and everything toucing Penn State, and specifically Penn State Athletics, will not be damaged.

I read that 23-page Grand Jury indictment. True, its just an indictment and those facts have yet to be proven through trial and cross examination. However, IF those facts are correct, then I believe many more heads will roll in Happy Valley before this ever settles. I don't care for the modern spin on situational morality and ethics -- this guy, according to the grand Jury indictment, was anally raping a 10-12 year old boy, was caught by an eye witness, and nobody called the cops. Sorry, University Police? No -- here is what you do if you're Jo Pa or an athletic director or a college president: you call the real cops of the U-cops won't act. Hiding behind the "chain of command" was the excuse used by every Nazi death camp guard. And they let him go -- they basically said, "If you want to rape children, just don't do it in a place that will compromise the integrity of PSU athletics." And I cannot waive that mindset off with a dull moral-equivilancy argument about "he reported it, what more should he have done?" Did you know that according to the testimony of ALL the parties involved, NOBODY tried to find out who that boy was? If he was safe?

Nope, I believe that the entire University is going to take a deserved hit on this mess. And the questions about teh hockey program are valid, if only because many of the people with whom the donating party was working are now smeared, or may soon be smeared, by this criminal scandal. I don't believe that budding hockey program is going to fail . . . but I also believe that anything is possible in Happy Valley right now, when a scandal like THIS beigns down Jo Pa within a few days. Anything can happen. And if the investigation starts to find other co-conspirators within the college community, and within the donor community, the ripple is going to potentially be devestating for PSU.
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Amen
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It will by hysterical if all the Big 10 schools have to scramble to find a conference to play in.
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My guess is they would simply poach some team to join them. It's not like they wouldn't have the dollars to entice just about anybody. In the end, I think it is a moot point anyway.
 
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