Penn State scandal and its effect on the rising hockey program

[JDUBBS1280]

It will by hysterical if all the Big 10 schools have to scramble to find a conference to play in.

Yeah, that would be a mess.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

My guess is they would simply poach some team to join them. It's not like they wouldn't have the dollars to entice just about anybody. In the end, I think it is a moot point anyway.

My thoughts too.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I never said never. I said "pretty certain". I think the odds of PSU not playing hockey in the Big Ten in 2013 are very minimal.

There might be a better chance that PSU hockey is playing in the Big 10 in 2013 than there is PSU football playing in the Big ten in 2013.

 

[dggoddard]

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More likely, the rumor about "donors" refers to donors funding the Second Mile charity, not Penn State donors. So lets not give the Death Penalty to PSU just yet.

Jerry Sardusky and his family are prominently mentioned in the Second Mile's 2010 Annual Report. So one can conclude that no one from Penn State ever notified the charity or if they did, it was also ignored.

http://www.thesecondmile.org/aboutUs/history.php

 

[giwan]

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I read that 23-page Grand Jury indictment. True, its just an indictment and those facts have yet to be proven through trial and cross examination. However, IF those facts are correct, then I believe many more heads will roll in Happy Valley before this ever settles. I don't care for the modern spin on situational morality and ethics -- this guy, according to the grand Jury indictment, was anally raping a 10-12 year old boy, was caught by an eye witness, and nobody called the cops. Sorry, University Police? No -- here is what you do if you're Jo Pa or an athletic director or a college president: you call the real cops of the U-cops won't act. Hiding behind the "chain of command" was the excuse used by every Nazi death camp guard. And they let him go -- they basically said, "If you want to rape children, just don't do it in a place that will compromise the integrity of PSU athletics." And I cannot waive that mindset off with a dull moral-equivilancy argument about "he reported it, what more should he have done?" Did you know that according to the testimony of ALL the parties involved, NOBODY tried to find out who that boy was? If he was safe?

Horrible thing for the victims. But consider this "eyewitness" is NOT as accurate as most people think an eyewitness is. This has been proven many many times. It may also explain in part what the grad asst thought or didn't think he saw. Here is a coach that he knew, played for (though on offense not defense) and may have idolized him. This would be shocking, and what his mind thinks he saw and then what he actually told JoePa can be very different, and yes I did read the 23 pg indictment.

I am not saying anyone is in the clear but as most everything there always seems to be MORE TO THE STORY. Now if your Joepa and a grad asst comes and tells you "something" about a guy you've known for years with possibly you never hearing anything odd about him what would you think? Really Jerry was doing this? What did you think he was doing? etc etc

Just like the kiddie game of one person whispers something to another and it gets passed along. By the time it reaches the 20th person it is fully garbled. The mind does strange and wonderful things especially when shocked or under stress.

Not trying to excuse anyone but I also see law enforcement REALLY dropping the ball and of course add in the missing initial DA, vanished and now presumed dead.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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A few random thoughts...

• They're showing Paterno's house right now on ESPN and I have a bigger house than that ranch...

• McQuery (the grad asst) is a coward and a failure at life. How do you walk away from that scene? Some kids in that situation end up MURDERED. How in the **** do you walk away? That guy should also be fired and then publicly flogged and gone at with broom handles.

• The Penn State students who are "protesting" are not coming out looking very good. I get that they're young and all that, but how misguided can they be? It's amazing how different the view from within Happy Valley is compared to what most of the rest of us are thinking.

• Joe Pa is senile and completely doesn't grasp what the issue actually is. The couple of appearances that he's made on his lawn have almost been pathetic. Go away Joe. Go FAR away.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Horrible thing for the victims. But consider this "eyewitness" is NOT as accurate as most people think an eyewitness is. This has been proven many many times. It may also explain in part what the grad asst thought or didn't think he saw. Here is a coach that he knew, played for (though on offense not defense) and may have idolized him. This would be shocking, and what his mind thinks he saw and then what he actually told JoePa can be very different, and yes I did read the 23 pg indictment.

I am not saying anyone is in the clear but as most everything there always seems to be MORE TO THE STORY. Now if your Joepa and a grad asst comes and tells you "something" about a guy you've known for years with possibly you never hearing anything odd about him what would you think? Really Jerry was doing this? What did you think he was doing? etc etc

Just like the kiddie game of one person whispers something to another and it gets passed along. By the time it reaches the 20th person it is fully garbled. The mind does strange and wonderful things especially when shocked or under stress.

Not trying to excuse anyone but I also see law enforcement REALLY dropping the ball and of course add in the missing initial DA, vanished and now presumed dead.

Even if it wasn't anal rape of a child, fondling and naked horseplay is still a horrible crime against a child. Not sure what you're getting at. There isn't a level of child molestation that is okay.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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But consider this "eyewitness" is NOT as accurate as most people think an eyewitness is. This has been proven many many times. It may also explain in part what the grad asst thought or didn't think he saw.

That may be true if you're trying to tell the difference between whether or not the person you saw was 6'0" with red hair and green eyes, or he was 5'9" with blond hair and blue eyes. McQueary saw a nearly 60 year old man, naked, in the shower with a 10 year old boy. If that was all he told anyone, that is enough to sound every alarm bell in the world. He knew who he saw and he knew what he saw was a horrible crime. God help you if you every see something similar and spend 15 seconds "wondering" what you saw.

 

[bothman]

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That may be true if you're trying to tell the difference between whether or not the person you saw was 6'0" with red hair and green eyes, or he was 5'9" with blond hair and blue eyes. McQueary saw a nearly 60 year old man, naked, in the shower with a 10 year old boy. If that was all he told anyone, that is enough to sound every alarm bell in the world. He knew who he saw and he knew what he saw was a horrible crime. God help you if you every see something similar and spend 15 seconds "wondering" what you saw.

Particularly since the guy was already being investigated in 1998.

 

[bothman]

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To me, there's a quote in the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" that sums up my thoughts on this:

“None of us know our end, really, or what hand will guide us there. A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man ...truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that.”

 

[Gurtholfin]

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To me, there's a quote in the movie "Kingdom of Heaven" that sums up my thoughts on this:

“None of us know our end, really, or what hand will guide us there. A king may move a man, a father may claim a son, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man ...truly begin his own game. Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that.”

Yep.

Be the hero, be selfless.

 

[dggoddard]

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Interesting question at the press conference last night that was left unanswered. Who is going to pay the legal bills for Joe Paterno, Gary Schultz, Tim Curley & Mike McQueary? The Board members have legal liability protection. School employees may not.

 

[vizoroo]

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Which sport at Penn State could not have known about any of these allegations? Penn State hockey
Who knows, hockey may become the premier sport. No hint of scandal because they weren't there.

 

[goldy_331]

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I hear they are talking about hockey at Iowa, Illinois, Northwestern.....

MSU Moorhead.

 

[Driftryder]

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Horrible thing for the victims. But consider this "eyewitness" is NOT as accurate as most people think an eyewitness is. This has been proven many many times. It may also explain in part what the grad asst thought or didn't think he saw. Here is a coach that he knew, played for (though on offense not defense) and may have idolized him. This would be shocking, and what his mind thinks he saw and then what he actually told JoePa can be very different, and yes I did read the 23 pg indictment.

I would think seeing a grown man naked in the shower pinning up a 10 year old against the wall would be enough of a clue that something illegal and disgusting was going on. You would hope anyone else in that situation would either go to the police right away or beat the living tar out of him and then go to the police.

 

[dggoddard]

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I would think seeing a grown man naked in the shower pinning up a 10 year old against the wall would be enough of a clue that something illegal and disgusting was going on. You would hope anyone else in that situation would either go to the police right away or beat the living tar out of him and then go to the police.

You haven't been paying attention.


Let me help you out with a pop quiz.

You're having dinner at the local Olive Garden and you see a Penn State assistant coach run in with a gun in his hand and demand money from the cash register. Do you?

A. Quietly finish your meal and hope he doesn't ask for your wallet.

B. Excuse yourself from your date and lock yourself in the bathroom where its safer.

C. Ask the Assistant Coach what the defensive scheme is for the weekend so you can get a bet in with your bookie.

D. Wait until the robbery is over and then head to Joe Pa's house for donuts and coffee while discussing what classes to take next semester.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Something else that was brought up on the radio, by a caller when I was listening on my drive home last night:

Penn State Basketball. They make the NCAA tournament last year, for the first time in about 10 years. The coach that got them there, the coach being a Penn State Alum himself, up and leaves after last season. No he doesn't take a better job, at a more prestigious school, he leaves his alma-mater, after his most successful season yet, for Navy, completely voluntarily. What did he find out that made him want to jump ship to wherever possible?

 

[SJHovey]

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You haven't been paying attention.


Let me help you out with a pop quiz.

You're having dinner at the local Olive Garden and you see a Penn State assistant coach run in the store with a gun in his hand and demand money from the cash register. Do you?

A. Quietly finish your meal and hope he doesn't ask for your wallet.

B. Excuse yourself from your date and lock yourself in the bathroom where its safer.

C. Ask the Assistant Coach what the defensive scheme is for the weekend so you can get a bet in with your bookie.

D. Wait until the robbery is over and then head to Joe Pa's house for donuts and coffee while discussing what classes to take next semester.

How many laps into the all you can eat soup and salad am I?

 

[Happy]

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True. But even still, I don't think that what I said is completely out of the question, it is probably worst case scenario.

How does a university continue to function normally if they were to find out that programs, teams, renovations, entire buildings, etc. were funded with child prostitution money? Even if they do, this is going to create an even bigger scar on the entire university than everyone originally thought, if the rumor proves to be true.

If you're a HS football player, why on earth would you want to go to a school where you know that your locker room (example, obviously I have no idea if this is true or not) was paid for because some rich donor was given a 10 year old boy for a weekend?

How about a nazi with dirty gambling money? Is that OK?

 

[dggoddard]

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How many laps into the all you can eat soup and salad am I?

Lets say you've had two salads and you are halfway through your second soup.