Penn State scandal and its effect on the rising hockey program

[bigblue_dl]

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How about a nazi with dirty gambling money? Is that OK?

I know you're just trying to get a dig in at UND, but seriously...repeated sexual abuse of children is much worse than dirty gambling money.

 

[SJHovey]

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Lets say you've had two salads and you are halfway through your second soup.

I don't know. I'm a big minestrone fan. I may just have to hunker down.

 

[Happy]

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I know you're just trying to get a dig in at UND, but seriously...repeated sexual abuse of children is much worse than dirty gambling money.

Of course, but only one person did that, not most of the people involved with this scandal. Like I said before, I would have no problem if Sandusky is guilty of getting the death penalty. But, it is painting with a broad brush that one pedo should shut down the whole athletic department.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Of course, but only one person did that, not most of the people involved with this scandal. Like I said before, I would have no problem if Sandusky is guilty of getting the death penalty. But, it is painting with a broad brush that one pedo should shut down the whole athletic department.

If it is only Sandusky, then, yes, I agree. If that is the case, last night was the low point for PSU, and they should be able to start rebuilding the program and reputation. But if any of these new rumors are true, we haven't see the end of it yet, since it would then become much more than one pedophile.

 

[dggoddard]

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If it is only Sandusky, then, yes, I agree. If that is the case, last night was the low point for PSU, and they should be able to start rebuilding the program and reputation. But if any of these new rumors are true, we haven't see the end of it yet, since it would then become much more than one pedophile.

Use some common sense. Pedophiles aren't going to be running around Penn State, they are going to be zeroing in on the childrens charity that was founded by a pedophile.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Use some common sense. Pedophiles aren't going to be running around Penn State, they are going to be zeroing in on the childrens charity that was founded by a pedophile.

An article I read, on Yahoo Sports, specifically said that the donors in question were donors for Penn State, not for the charity. I can't link to it because for some reason Yahoo sports is blocked at work.

 

[dggoddard]

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An article I read, on Yahoo Sports, specifically said that the donors in question were donors for Penn State, not for the charity. I can't link to it because for some reason Yahoo sports is blocked at work.

The story is based on a rumor that mentions the charity, not Penn State.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/10/2551780/jerry-sandusky-rumors-penn-state-scandal

"I can give you a rumor, and I can give you something I think might happen. I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile foundation. And, hold on to your stomachs because this is gross, I'll use the only language that I can, that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to donors. This is being investigated by two prominent columnists as I speak."

 

[bigblue_dl]

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The story is based on a rumor that mentions the charity, not Penn State.

Copying this from my phone, since I can't get there on my computer:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-10407023

Madden stated that two "prominent columnists" are currently investigating a rumor that Jerry Sandusky's Second Mile Foundation, a non-profit organization aimed to serve underprivileged youths, was "pimping out young boys to rich (Penn State) donors."

Don't jump all over me, I'm just going by what I read, and I have repeatedly qualified my statements with "if the rumors are true", in reference to this article that I read.

 

[Hammy]

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A few random thoughts...

• McQuery (the grad asst) is a coward and a failure at life. How do you walk away from that scene?

This is the one that bothers me. How can a guy sit there and not do anything in that situation? You do something about it immediately and make it stop.

It disgusts me that he gets to keep coaching too.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

This is the one that bothers me. How can a guy sit there and not do anything in that situation? You do something about it immediately and make it stop.

It disgusts me that he gets to keep coaching too.

I don't think I could continue working with that coward if I were on that coaching staff.

 

[dggoddard]

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Copying this from my phone, since I can't get there on my computer:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-10407023Those parentheses belong to the author who misinterpreted the quote.

Don't jump all over me, I'm just going by what I read, and I have repeatedly qualified my statements with "if the rumors are true", in reference to this article that I read.

Those parentheses belong to the author who misinterpreted the quote. Now you have been corrected so you don't make the mistake again. You're welcome.

 

[J.D.]

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It will have ZERO affect on the hockey program.

Penn State chose a proven WINNER in Guy G.

He will build a contender.

You again?

The bottom line is the athletic dept. most responsible for destroying college hockey as we know it is now imploding upon itself. What does that say?

I know you said you worded this very carefully, but I don't get it...what did Penn State do wrong from a hockey perspective? If anything, blame the Big Ten for insisting on their own conference.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I know you said you worded this very carefully, but I don't get it...what did Penn State do wrong from a hockey perspective? If anything, blame the Big Ten for insisting on their own conference.

Penn State would never have started a hockey team without insisting on a Big 10 conference, and since their football program (until now) is so important to the Big 10 there was no question what was going to happen.

So, blaming the Big 10 is folly at best.

 

[dggoddard]

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This is the one that bothers me. How can a guy sit there and not do anything in that situation? You do something about it immediately and make it stop.

It disgusts me that he gets to keep coaching too.

He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

 

[J.D.]

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Penn State would never have started a hockey team without insisting on a Big 10 conference, and since their football program (until now) is so important to the Big 10 there was no question what was going to happen.

So, blaming the Big 10 is folly at best.

I thought Barry Alvarez was the one who insisted on it?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

You're serious? He walks in on that and runs out? He is by definition, cowardly.

You can't hide behind the law on this.

If he didn't want to physically intervene, he should have picked up a phone and dialed 911. You don't report CRIMES up the chain of command. You report them to the police and if they are in progress, you report them ASAP.

He didn't see Sandusky making excessive phone calls to recruits, he saw a rape of a child.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I thought Barry Alvarez was the one who insisted on it?

If you were Penn State would you want to join the CCHA or The Big 10 Hockey Conference?

Barry was just a strong advocate. Which is enough to make me puke but doesn't make him culpable.

 

[bothman]

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He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

Dggoddard, I generally agree with your sentiments, but this is so off-base, on so many levels.

When's the last time you went to a 5th grade classroom and sat there to see what 10 year old children are like? How they speak, how big they are, etc?

Now imagine, a coach sodomizing these children before your very eyes? You are telling me that you walk out the door and call your Daddy?

Some of us don't come from the "look the other way" side of the tracks. Some of us choose to protect those that can't protect themselves.

The fact that he watched such a horrific event and didn't even have the conscience to try and protect the boy (all he had to do was say something - we aren't even talking about physically intervening) who was being raped right in front of him - his indifference (which is really what his actions reflect) is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard in my life. McQueary is now father to a young daughter and I wonder what he will say to her about his resolve & his principle?

You are right - McQueary's career will be over very soon....and it will all be on account of his failure to lead & act. Penn State won't owe him a dime (and it amazes me that he has yet to be fired, but I suspect it's just a matter of time and willcome before Saturday's tilt with Nebraska)

 

[dggoddard]

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You're serious? He walks in on that and runs out? He is by definition, cowardly.

You can't hide behind the law on this.

If he didn't want to physically intervene, he should have picked up a phone and dialed 911. You don't report CRIMES up the chain of command. You report them to the police and if they are in progress, you report them ASAP.

I think we're going to have to wait for more information on what he saw and what he did about it. I don't want to play devil's advocate because the crime is so horrible.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

He's a "whistleblower" who was an unpaid graduate assistant at the time. He reported the crime repeatedly to people who were significantly up the chain of command. He's not a coward and he may have protection under the law. My guess is that Penn State is going to have to pay him big-time to compensate him for a ruined career.

There is no way I could walk away from seeing what he saw and live with myself after. If you witness your coworker viewing porn on their computer at work, you report it. If you witness them molesting a child, you step in right away and stop it.

I'm sorry, but the guy is a coward in my eyes.