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Penn State scandal and its effect on the rising hockey program

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The only effect it will have on the hockey program is that open spaced showers will become a thing of the past;)
 
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SteveF said:
No effect as penn state wasn't going to be good anyway
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Pretty much irrelevant. Every student at that University is going to be affected by this. The worst of it will be the football players. I think Saturday is Senior Day for them. Imagine having this memory for the rest of your life.
 
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Ok quick question - was Sandusky employed by penn state when the graduate student first reported the crime to joe pa?
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Seriously? Why would we "wind this thread up"? Given what has happened at PSU, disucussing whether or not the fallout will have an effect on the hockey program is definitely a valid discussion.
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It may be a low probability that the Penn State Trustees decide to follow suit with other schools who have dramatically de-emphasized or even eliminated sports at their school but it IS a possibility and I can say that in the same situation I personally would consider that option. So if it reached that point ... then there are only 5 BTHC hockey schools again. So there's that. Unlikely perhaps ... but you never know.

Maybe someone there will decide that the Pegula's money's taint isn't something they also want to deal with.
 
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Hypothetically, what would happen if PSU had to pull the plug on hockey? There wouldn't be enough schools for the B1G. Would we pretend reallignment never happened, leaving things as they are? Or do the B1G teams have to scramble to join the new conferences? I can see the National inviting Minn, Wisc, Mich, and Sparty. My Buckeyes would get stuck in the WCHA with Bowling Green. I don't think this will happen, but what if?...
 
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GopherBigGuy911 said:
Ok quick question - was Sandusky employed by penn state when the graduate student first reported the crime to joe pa?
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I don't believe so, but he had some type of coach emeritus status, giving him access to the facilities. This emeritus status is not uncommon.
 
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Sandusky had been previously reported to the police, and already investigated. As such, when Joe Pa reported him to his superiors, it really isn't up to him to ask about the investigation. At my company, once something is reported, (say drugs, alcohol, sleeping) we get no further information until something official happens, it is not up to the reporting party top make sure the investigation is perfect. That said, I really have no problem with the death penalty for Sandusky.
 
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Bossk said:
Hypothetically, what would happen if PSU had to pull the plug on hockey? There wouldn't be enough schools for the B1G. Would we pretend reallignment never happened, leaving things as they are? Or do the B1G teams have to scramble to join the new conferences? I can see the National inviting Minn, Wisc, Mich, and Sparty. My Buckeyes would get stuck in the WCHA with Bowling Green. I don't think this will happen, but what if?...
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While I am damm near 100% certain that this won't happen, going along with your hypothetical...I would guess that MN joins back up with the in-state schools, SCSU and UMD back out of the Hug8 Mistake to join back with MN. WI, MI and MSU go to the Hug8 Mistake, and OSU falls into the new WCHA with MN.
 
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The bottom line is the athletic dept. most responsible for destroying college hockey as we know it is now imploding upon itself. What does that say?
 
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Third Family Member said:
It's unlikely Paterno will spend any time in jail. We probably all would agree that morally, he fell far short of what he should have done. Legally he followed the letter of the law exactly. He reported what he had been told. All educators in all states, and that is what his position as a coach would be classified as, are legally required to report allegations of abuse, physical or otherwise. Failure to do so is a misdemeanor, usually accompanied by a fine and the potential for incarceration on a local level. In 30 years of working in the child welfare field, I saw people fined for failure to report, I never saw anyone do jail time. As for court, no doubt you are correct, he will see a lot of that, but even that might not be what you expect. He was only told something, and depending on the framing of the questions in court, his responses could come perilously close to hearsay, which in this case, will likely not rise to meet the exceptions to the hearsay rules. So, while good taste and sensibility occasionally take a hike on this board, can we wind this thread up. Tasteless can sometimes be funny. In this case, it is not.
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I haven't been watching it close enough to have more than an emotional kneejerk response to the entire fiasco. But from what im hearing is he didn't report it, and he kept him employed, and to go one step further he allowed Sandusky to run his child foundation thru Penn State, along with the AD.

I know anyone paying attention to the story could correct me if im wrong.
 
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mariucci said:
I haven't been watching it close enough to have more than an emotional kneejerk response to the entire fiasco. But from what im hearing is he didn't report it, and he kept him employed, and to go one step further he allowed Sandusky to run his child foundation thru Penn State, along with the AD.

I know anyone paying attention to the story could correct me if im wrong.
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He did report it to his boss (the AD), but not to the police. That's probably the source of the discrepancy.
 
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LynahFan said:
He did report it to his boss (the AD), but not to the police. That's probably the source of the discrepancy.
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Thanks, why was he not relieved of his job back when it was originally brought to light? This is why I can see JoPo and the AD spending the next decade or so sitting in court rooms, and possibly jail.
 
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Happy said:
Sandusky had been previously reported to the police, and already investigated. As such, when Joe Pa reported him to his superiors, it really isn't up to him to ask about the investigation.
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When a graduate assistant coach goes to the head coach to report witnessing a rape of a child in the locker room the head coach calls the police. No ifs ands or buts. Joe Paterno acted to protect his long time friend ... when he went to his "superior" (the Athletic Director) who really was holding the cards huh? Joe Pa was holding the cards. If he'd announced his immediate retirement yesterday then it wouldn't bother me as much. But the old codger really doesn't think his wrong was that bad. Sorry ... it was.
 
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Hockeybuckeye said:
Personally I think they threw Paterno under the buss and totally ignored all the good he's done which is where the real crime is. He followed procedure over an ALLEGATION, he was never a witness to a crime. I have no respect for Penn State's trustees and will never speak well of Penn State again. They're entry into the Big Ten destroyed two conferences so I hope their hockey program fails miserably.
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Obviously you don't have any children. He was technically correct while morally he failed abysmally. Someone told him about a grown man and a 10-year old boy naked together in a shower and he told someone else and did nothing beyond that.
 
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http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html

In short... Paterno did call the cops -- the head of the campus police, who have all of the powers and responsibilities of a municipal police force. Sandusky was not on Paterno's staff at the time of the incident. Could he have done more? Perhaps, though there are legal issues involved. Should he have done more? Maybe, but one can only say so with benefit of hindsight. Should all of this be a firing offense? Hell no.

If Paterno had been the one accused of rape, he would have been suspended pending an investigation. Instead, he did everything he was legally required to do, avoided getting himself into legal trouble by overreaching, and his reward is to get fired outright.


Powers &8^]
 
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LtPowers said:
http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html

In short... Paterno did call the cops -- the head of the campus police, who have all of the powers and responsibilities of a municipal police force. Sandusky was not on Paterno's staff at the time of the incident. Could he have done more? Perhaps, though there are legal issues involved. Should he have done more? Maybe, but one can only say so with benefit of hindsight. Should all of this be a firing offense? Hell no.

If Paterno had been the one accused of rape, he would have been suspended pending an investigation. Instead, he did everything he was legally required to do, avoided getting himself into legal trouble by overreaching, and his reward is to get fired outright.


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I'm just trying to follow along here so bear with me.

Paterno contacted the campus police and this was prior to Sandusky being on his staff? Why would Paterno bring him onto his staff if he knew how mentally unstable and a danger he was to children?
 
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LtPowers said:
http://thatlawyerdude.blogspot.com/2011/11/strong-defense-of-joe-paterno-why.html

In short... Paterno did call the cops -- the head of the campus police, who have all of the powers and responsibilities of a municipal police force. Sandusky was not on Paterno's staff at the time of the incident. Could he have done more? Perhaps, though there are legal issues involved. Should he have done more? Maybe, but one can only say so with benefit of hindsight. Should all of this be a firing offense? Hell no.

If Paterno had been the one accused of rape, he would have been suspended pending an investigation. Instead, he did everything he was legally required to do, avoided getting himself into legal trouble by overreaching, and his reward is to get fired outright.


Powers &8^]
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You sooooo don't seem to get it ... play along with me here. Your mother while out watering her prize roses happens to look in the neighbor's garden and sees a commotion in the bushes. She doesn't quite see what's going on but she watches for several seconds then she puts on her glasses and as the sun breaks from behind the clouds sees Mr. Fiddle giving the diddle to little Suzie Fiddle. Your mom is horrified and after getting over the vapors she calls the coppers. Sherriff McRighteous shows up and gets her story. He goes next door and after 20 mins or so she sees McRighteous walk back out to the black and white and drive off.

What more should your mother do?

By your argument nothing ... your mother has lived up to her civic responsibility by reporting the crime.
 
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Why does the grad student who reported the incident to Paterno still have a job? If the trustees are firing JoePa for not following up, they should have fired McCreery as well for the exact same thing.
 
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