Penn State scandal and its effect on the rising hockey program

[MagnessMan]

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He didn't cold-cock an ******* who was otherwise occupied.

Yep. Everyone in cyber-land is a brave stud and would swing in and save the day. It's hard to imagine how anyone would feel walking in on something like that. 8 victims testified. The abuse happened all over the place--many of them in remote places on campus and at odd hours. For this victim it was 9:30 at night. The grad asst came back in to pick something up and was undoubtedly shocked out of his mind.

 

[mariucci]

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Yep. Everyone in cyber-land is a brave stud and would swing in and save the day. It's hard to imagine how anyone would feel walking in on something like that. 8 victims testified. The abuse happened all over the place--many of them in remote places on campus and at odd hours. For this victim it was 9:30 at night. The grad asst came back in to big something up and was undoubted shocked out of his mind.

Been a police officer for the last 16 yrs, and my father (God rest his soul) was a retired cop, the number of "beatdowns" my coworkers and I have been called to over vigilante acts ok kindness are astounding.. You wouldn't believe how ok it is to take out some loberties in a case like this..

Too bad it didnt happen, the witness had a green light.

 

[Bossk]

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Why would you assume that MSU and UM would not be in whatever conference OSU ends up in? (hypothetically speaking, as I would wager a bet that the BTN would scramble to pick up enough pieces to make a new B1G program.

I just have a hunch that the other 4 B1G teams would be invited to the NCHC. I doubt the B1G would add satellite members.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The Big Ten would not invite a partial member to join. No way. No how.

 

[dggoddard]

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Protected as a whistleblower doesn't not absolve him from being a gutless coward. What about the fact that he watched a young, defenseless boy get raped and then fled the scene is not registering with you?

If I were him, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. Sandusky is a monster, but this guy is a coward. Do the right thing and ****ing resign.

Penn State interim prez helps explain what is clearly not registering with you. The legal issues and ramifications are extreme complicated.

McQuery probably will resign, right after Penn State hands him a seven figure check.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57324022/penn-state-president-explains-mcqueary-status/

 

[mariucci]

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Money is power, but its not a foregone conclussion that the empire won't fall. In this case there will be many civil suits to follow the criminal charges.. Every time I watch a snippit I read/see "Penn State football brings in 50 mil" "Up to 40 cases now".. 2+2 imo.

Then theres the NCAA's responsibility in this as well. What will they do to Penn State after the dust settles?

That school has a big effin spotlight on it thats only getting brighter with each day.. I'm of the belief that this is only the beginning of the end for Penn State.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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Penn State interim prez helps explain what is clearly not registering with you. The legal issues and ramifications are extreme complicated.

McQuery probably will resign, right after Penn State hands him a seven figure check.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57324022/penn-state-president-explains-mcqueary-status/

I made posts about this as well. The contracts for the head coach at big time schools usually spell out very specific instances where firing is justified, and what happens when a coach is fired. My guess is it was clear that PSU had grounds for immediate dismissal of Paterno. But low level assistants are quite different. His relationship with PSU is more like that of a cop who is put on some sort of administrative leave following a credible accusation of excessive force. PSU will have to jump through various hoops to make sure his termination is legal from an administrative standpoint. I think most people knew there was no way he was going to coach this Saturday, or even be in the stadium. And he wasn't. He won't coach at PSU again, and will be fired if he doesn't resign. It's just a matter of crossing Ts and dotting Is.

 

[darker98]

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I just have a hunch that the other 4 B1G teams would be invited to the NCHC. I doubt the B1G would add satellite members.

I would think that the NCHC would ask Minnesota and Wisconsin and go to 10 teams.

 

[giwan]

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I would think that the NCHC would ask Minnesota and Wisconsin and go to 10 teams.

I would think they would ask them all. Though the scandal is horrible I think jumping to can all the PSU sports is a leap unless there is more involved with the athletic dept.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Penn State interim prez helps explain what is clearly not registering with you. The legal issues and ramifications are extreme complicated.

McQuery probably will resign, right after Penn State hands him a seven figure check.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500202_162-57324022/penn-state-president-explains-mcqueary-status/

You're missing the point.

- I am not talking about the legal issues in this matter. They are completely irrelevant to the point I am making.
- There is absolutely no doubt that he saw a kid getting molested, and there is no doubt that he did nothing to immediately stop it. It's right in his testimony.

Now, my point is.... He is a cowardice pile of crap that should resign IMMEDIATELY. The fact that he hasn't makes me loathe the man even more.

 

[darker98]

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I would think they would ask them all. Though the scandal is horrible I think jumping to can all the PSU sports is a leap unless there is more involved with the athletic dept.

I agree that PSU will still have a hockey program. I just love the what if thing.

 

[alfablue]

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I just have a hunch that the other 4 B1G teams would be invited to the NCHC. I doubt the B1G would add satellite members.

Just on this particular tanget, there's no way MSU and UM would go anywhere without OSU. And I also think that talks have been solid enough from Wisconsin and Minnestota that those two would make sure all 5 stick together.

Also, Money is Power. OSU makes Miami look like small peanuts. And Miami's athletic budget is much bigger than the rest of the NCHC. While I very much repsect the teams in the NCHC with regards to their hockey funding and what they see the future to be, any one of the B1G teams would be an immediate part of that conference just based on money and power.

Historically, the B1G has been very much a "all for one and one for all" kind of association. I see them all sticking together. To the extent that IF (and that's a huge IF at thjs point) PSU essentially folds, there will be a program add at one of the B1G schools to get to 6. That ignores the probability that an autobid isn't really necessary, since one of these teams has been part of the party for I don't know how long now- at least UM's 20 year span, but for sure way longer than that.

 

[darker98]

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Would the B1G still sponser the a league with only 5 teams and no auto-bid?

 

[giwan]

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Would the B1G still sponser the a league with only 5 teams and no auto-bid?

Can't see them adding another team unless ND decided to switch everything around which I don't see that happening. Would not having an auto-bid for that group that big a deal? I don't think so. I think they get the same amount in with or without the autobid.

 

[uaafanblog]

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If PSU were to take the University of Chicago path and demphasize athletics, the first thing the B1G would do is go out and add a 12th team. If that school has hockey, problem solved. If they stay at 5, the question will be which schools would they try and add to get to a viable conference. No one would want to join them because they would just get the boot when one of the other B1G schools wanted to add hockey. So, would they play as a 5 team conference without an autobid or break up and try to reform the old wcha and ccha? Maybe join with the wccha to form 2 conferences leaving the NCHC teams out of it? Anyone think that teams wouldn't bail from the NCHC in that case? What type of assurance would those teams need? It's any interesting thought exercise because the probability of that happening is very small.

I can't feature the new WCHA members extending invitations to any former member.

 

[darker98]

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Can't see them adding another team unless ND decided to switch everything around which I don't see that happening. Would not having an auto-bid for that group that big a deal? I don't think so. I think they get the same amount in with or without the autobid.

I was under the impression that Minnesota didn't want to leave, but was forced. If it was no longer a B1G conference I would think they'd like to go back and play with UMD, SCSU and UND.

 

[darker98]

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I can't feature the new WCHA members extending invitations to any former member.

I wouldn't blame them either.

 

[goldy_331]

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I can't feature the new WCHA members extending invitations to any former member.

Nope, they'd never want UMN back, along with the Final Five (or whatever it'd be called) in the Xcel and their share of that revenue or the FSN exposure.


I just came up with a brand new saying that I think might fit here "Money talks." Feel free to use it, if you want.

 

[dggoddard]

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Penn State athletics is "too big to fail," so lets take that option off the table. They'll need the football & Big Ten revenue to help pay off the lawyers and settlements.

I'd expect them to drop some non-revenue sports and look to trim $10-20 million from the Athletic Department budget to pay off the lawsuits. The wildcard is if donations and football ticket sales decline because of the incident and the football program falters post-Paterno. Amazingly Penn State only sold out two games this season. What will attendance be without JoePa?

FWIW: Second Mile CEO resigns...Not that the charity will be around much longer.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ack-raykovitz-resigns-amid-penn-state-scandal

 

[uaafanblog]

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I was under the impression that Minnesota didn't want to leave, but was forced. If it was no longer a B1G conference I would think they'd like to go back and play with UMD, SCSU and UND.

Let them .. those teams aren't future members of the WCHA.