Penn State scandal and its effect on the rising hockey program

[giwan]

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Penn State athletics is "too big to fail," so lets take that option off the table. They'll need the football & Big Ten revenue to help pay off the lawyers and settlements. I'd expect them to drop some non-revenue sports and look to trim $10-20 million from the Athletic Department budget to pay off the lawsuits. The wildcard is if donations and football ticket sales decline because of the incident and the football program falters post-Paterno. Amazingly Penn State only sold out two games this season. What will attendance be without JoePa? FWIW: Second Mile CEO resigns...Not that the charity will be around much longer.

I think PSU hockey could be seen as a a non-revenue producing sport. Since the other members of the B1G do not have hockey does that mean BTN revenue from any hockey would be split only between those 6 or 5 or it all just goes into the big pot?

One would think there would have been many signs of odd doings at the 2nd Mile charity.

Interesting stat for some: for every 10,000 of population there are approx 24 registered pedophiles. Now think how many are not caught. This is happening in other organizations that deal with youth just as seen with hockey in the Theo Fleury story.

 

[Almington]

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I can't feature the new WCHA members extending invitations to any former member.

That would seem to me to be a remarkably foolish decision based only on bitterness and counter to the best economic interest of those teams.

 

[uaafanblog]

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That would seem to me to be a remarkably foolish decision based only on bitterness and counter to the best economic interest of those teams.

Cos "economic interest" is an important thing in college athletics? The next WCHA is a conference of well matched institutions who would be stupid to subject themselves to the hegemony brought to the table by Big 10 schools who all concern themselves more with their bottom line than they do the well-being of their student-athletes. This whole concept of generating revenue from college athletics is a dayum big part of this cover-up at Penn State. But sure ... go ahead and continue with that "money meme".

 

[Almington]

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Cos "economic interest" is an important thing in college athletics? The next WCHA is a conference of well matched institutions who would be stupid to subject themselves to the hegemony brought to the table by Big 10 schools who all concern themselves more with their bottom line than they do the well-being of their student-athletes. This whole concept of generating revenue from college athletics is a dayum big part of this cover-up at Penn State. But sure ... go ahead and continue with that "money meme".

I don't care what level you are playing at: D-1, D-III, or Club, money does matter because running a program costs money, period. The current WCHA playoffs allowed the conference to cut each team a sizable check that helped to cover the costs of running the program, money that would have otherwise had to come from some other source and cost some other program at the university the funding that they needed.

One of the biggest issues about the B1G schools leaving is that the smaller schools will lose the exposure that playing those schools get them, and that exposure helps recruit students and builds the recognition of the school. It also helps them remain connected with alumni, who donate not just to the athletic programs but also to the academic side allowing for scholarships and improvements that improve the academic experience for all students.

 

[uaafanblog]

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I don't care what level you are playing at: D-1, D-III, or Club, money does matter because running a program costs money, period. The current WCHA playoffs allowed the conference to cut each team a sizable check that helped to cover the costs of running the program, money that would have otherwise had to come from some other source and cost some other program at the university the funding that they needed.

Yeah um ... playing sports costs money. And a HUGE majority of college athletic programs operate fully in the red. It is the minority that get into the black and the extreme minority like Wisconsin who make tens and hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Why in gawd's name would any red program set itself up to compete with programs who make fat cash?

One of the biggest issues about the B1G schools leaving is that the smaller schools will lose the exposure that playing those schools get them, and that exposure helps recruit students and builds the recognition of the school. It also helps them remain connected with alumni, who donate not just to the athletic programs but also to the academic side allowing for scholarships and improvements that improve the academic experience for all students.

Sorry ... that's only one of many factors. There are lots of other things that go into the mix in order for a program to build itself. So yeah ... eff the Big 10. If I had my druthers the NCAA would kick out ALL the sports revenue factories.

 

[Almington]

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If I had my druthers the NCAA would kick out ALL the sports revenue factories.

To be kicked out the the NCAA in mass would be the absolute dream scenario for all of the sports revenue factories.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Yeah um ... playing sports costs money. And a HUGE majority of college athletic programs operate fully in the red. It is the minority that get into the black and the extreme minority like Wisconsin who make tens and hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Why in gawd's name would any red program set itself up to compete with programs who make fat cash?

All of those small schools in the red are still going to be competing with the Wisconsin's of the world, they're all NCAA div. 1 schools, unless your scenario where all of the revenue factories leave. Just because they're in different conferences doesn't mean the UAA's, BSU's and MTU's aren't still going to be competing against the Minnesotas and Wisconsins. Unless of course you completely give up hope of ever competing for more than a conference championship.

 

[Happy]

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Penn State athletics is "too big to fail," so lets take that option off the table. They'll need the football & Big Ten revenue to help pay off the lawyers and settlements.

I'd expect them to drop some non-revenue sports and look to trim $10-20 million from the Athletic Department budget to pay off the lawsuits. The wildcard is if donations and football ticket sales decline because of the incident and the football program falters post-Paterno. Amazingly Penn State only sold out two games this season. What will attendance be without JoePa?

FWIW: Second Mile CEO resigns...Not that the charity will be around much longer.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...ack-raykovitz-resigns-amid-penn-state-scandal

they may have insurance.

 

[goldy_331]

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Sorry ... that's only one of many factors. There are lots of other things that go into the mix in order for a program to build itself. So yeah ... eff the Big 10. If I had my druthers the NCAA would kick out ALL the sports revenue factories.

Keep smoking the wacky weed and dreaming of your hippie nirvana of collegiate athletics. Your best hope is to go DIII. That somewhat approaches what you hope for. Once you see lots of programs converting from DI to DIII that will signal that others think like you do. I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[uaafanblog]

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To be kicked out the the NCAA in mass would be the absolute dream scenario for all of the sports revenue factories.

Then why don't they act on it? They don't have to wait to be kicked out ... they can just roll on out. Is there some way that I can help?

 

[uaafanblog]

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All of those small schools in the red are still going to be competing with the Wisconsin's of the world, they're all NCAA div. 1 schools, unless your scenario where all of the revenue factories leave. Just because they're in different conferences doesn't mean the UAA's, BSU's and MTU's aren't still going to be competing against the Minnesotas and Wisconsins. Unless of course you completely give up hope of ever competing for more than a conference championship.

Yeah um ... how do you think I don't know this? Did you really think the main context under discussion here was something other "conference" affiliation?

So in crazyworld when Penn State drops all sports and the BTHC only has 5 teams ... are you in favor of inviting Gophgers/Badphers into the WCHA?

 

[Almington]

Then why don't they act on it? They don't have to wait to be kicked out ... they can just roll on out. Is there some way that I can help?

Leaving the NCAA voluntarily would get the major conferences sued. Getting kicked out of the NCAA would prevent that.

 

[uaafanblog]

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Leaving the NCAA voluntarily would get the major conferences sued. Getting kicked out of the NCAA would prevent that.

The combination of continuous anti-trust threats, congressional/presidential involvement, Taylor Branch's book and the general public's disdain for the NCAA's political correctness that they very well might not concern themselves with 11 or 12 schools who leave. They already have really nothing to do with football and since the largest share of NCAA revenues comes from basketball and there's 72 kabillion D-1 basketball teams ... why really would they bother suing Alvarez et al if they bolted?

And if they did ... it would seem like they'd lose.

 

[Almington]

The combination of continuous anti-trust threats, congressional/presidential involvement, Taylor Branch's book and the general public's disdain for the NCAA's political correctness that they very well might not concern themselves with 11 or 12 schools who leave. They already have really nothing to do with football and since the largest share of NCAA revenues comes from basketball and there's 72 kabillion D-1 basketball teams ... why really would they bother suing Alvarez et al if they bolted?

And if they did ... it would seem like they'd lose.

But it wouldn't be just 10 or 11 teams, it would be multiple major conferences, that would kill the NCAA bb tournament.

 

[dggoddard]

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they may have insurance.

Interesting point. Plus Sandusky is denying most most of the serious charges, which may or may not be true. But its possible that the lawsuits may not be as large as people were projecting.

 

[dggoddard]

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You're missing the point.

- I am not talking about the legal issues in this matter. They are completely irrelevant to the point I am making.
- There is absolutely no doubt that he saw a kid getting molested, and there is no doubt that he did nothing to immediately stop it. It's right in his testimony.

Now, my point is.... He is a cowardice pile of crap that should resign IMMEDIATELY. The fact that he hasn't makes me loathe the man even more.

Sandusky is denying the sexual act occurred, as far as we know, no victim has come forward to say it happened & its possible that McQuery is mistaken in what he saw.

So there is "doubt" that he saw a kid getting raped.

The best course of action would be to cool your jets and let the legal process sort this out.

And yes, if McQuery was mistaken he is still protected by the Whistleblower Act.

 

[Happy]

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Sandusky is denying the sexual act occurred, as far as we know, no victim has come forward to say it happened & its possible that McQuery is mistaken in what he saw.

So there is "doubt" that he saw a kid getting raped.

The best course of action would be to cool your jets and let the legal process sort this out.

And yes, if McQuery was mistaken he is still protected by the Whistleblower Act.

this is going to drag on for years, and my bet is that the big players will end up in civil court, lawyers are going to be asking $100,000,000, and justice doesn't really matter for that kind of money. I could see the kids and lawyers, etc being paid off, and no admission of guilt, etc.

 

[Handyman]

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The combination of continuous anti-trust threats, congressional/presidential involvement, Taylor Branch's book and the general public's disdain for the NCAA's political correctness that they very well might not concern themselves with 11 or 12 schools who leave. They already have really nothing to do with football and since the largest share of NCAA revenues comes from basketball and there's 72 kabillion D-1 basketball teams ... why really would they bother suing Alvarez et al if they bolted?

And if they did ... it would seem like they'd lose.

You do realize if the NCAA kicked out the Big Ten, then the entirety of the BCS leaves with them right? You realize what that means right? The BCS and College Basketball operating without the constraints of the NCAA is exactly what they want! Billions of dollars to be made, unlimited scholarships and age limits, no grade requirements and legal boosters! The NCAA would become nothing. It would be what the NIT is now. Please tell me you are not as dumb as the posts you put forth because the lack of logic and common sense in the things you say makes me weep.

I guarantee if the BTHC failed then within an hour of the announcement a phone call would be made. The NuWCHA would publicly deny they want the BTHC schools back and backroom deal to find a way to make it work. Within 3 months, as soon as the X signs on for an extended run of the Final Five the deal would be announced. There is too much money involved to leave it on the table.

If you want to live in this La La Land where money doesnt matter to schools, you best hope Anchorage goes D-3.

 

[uaafanblog]

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You do realize if the NCAA kicked out the Big Ten, then the entirety of the BCS leaves with them right? You realize what that means right? The BCS and College Basketball operating without the constraints of the NCAA is exactly what they want! Billions of dollars to be made, unlimited scholarships and age limits, no grade requirements and legal boosters! The NCAA would become nothing. It would be what the NIT is now.

You argue using the rationale that because something is the way it is then it is best to continue. That's a logical fallacy. The BCS is already outside of the NCAA. The NCAA makes 90% of it's revenue on March Madness. How many teams are in the NCAA BBall Tourney? Isn't it 58? So if and when Big 10 schools leave the NCAA (and yes i'm crossing my fingers for it to happen) the NCAA BBall Tourney takes a bit of a hit but will continue strongly. Big 10 schools cannot exercise the same hegemony in bball that they do in Football and to an arguably larger extent Hockey; there are simply too many basketball schools for them to control everything (even with Indiana).

Please tell me you are not as dumb as the posts you put forth because the lack of logic and common sense in the things you say makes me weep.

Go jump in lake #9,884 dude. I could care less what you think about my opinion (and I've qualified everything I've said in this part of the discussion as such). How about you go back to your usual posting only in weekly game threads after the series?

I guarantee if the BTHC failed then within an hour of the announcement a phone call would be made.

Oh well ... the guarantee of some random wanker from twinkie-town means squat.

The NuWCHA would publicly deny they want the BTHC schools back and backroom deal to find a way to make it work. Within 3 months, as soon as the X signs on for an extended run of the Final Five the deal would be announced. There is too much money involved to leave it on the table.

Where did I say ANYTHING in particular WOULD or WOULDN'T happen? I said stuff like "if I had my druthers ..." and "I can't feature ..."; so of course those things are valid reasons to jump in and call me dumb.

Go eff yourself you pretentious twat.

 

[pirate]

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Sandusky is denying the sexual act occurred, as far as we know, no victim has come forward to say it happened & its possible that McQuery is mistaken in what he saw.

So there is "doubt" that he saw a kid getting raped.

The best course of action would be to cool your jets and let the legal process sort this out.

And yes, if McQuery was mistaken he is still protected by the Whistleblower Act.

on espn this morning they played the quote from Sandusky's lawyer that the boy in question will say nothing like what McQuery reported really happened.

still plenty of other stories out there...but not a lot of evidence