Penn State scandal and its effect on the rising hockey program

[Fishman'81]

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Mike McQueary was a coward. He was a 28 year old man that had a chance to stop a child rapist in his tracks. You do something to stop it and then you call the cops. It wasn't like he had to guess what was going on... he testified to what he saw. Disgusting. What a gutless PoS.

My thoughts exactly, until I read today that he did in fact break it up and go to the PSU cops that day... Perhaps that's why he wasn't summarily dismissed last week.

It's dangerous to jump the gun on matters like these until all the facts are in, if that ever happens.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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My thoughts exactly, until I read today that he did in fact break it up and go to the PSU cops that day... Perhaps that's why he wasn't summarily dismissed last week.

It's dangerous to jump the gun on matters like these until all the facts are in, if that ever happens.

Edit: Found the link. We'll see. He's being extremely vague on how he, as you put it, "broke it up" and how he "talked with police about it." Maybe it's just semantics, but something still isn't right here.

Also, how bad is it if they went to the police and no investigation was conducted? Or it was half-assed? This whole thing reeks of conspiracy.

 

[Happy]

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Edit: Found the link. We'll see. He's being extremely vague on how he, as you put it, "broke it up" and how he "talked with police about it." Maybe it's just semantics, but something still isn't right here.

Also, how bad is it if they went to the police and no investigation was conducted? Or it was half-assed? This whole thing reeks of conspiracy.

this guy should be a politician, his story changes every day. Can you imagine if he is lying?

 

[Hammy]

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My thoughts exactly, until I read today that he did in fact break it up and go to the PSU cops that day... Perhaps that's why he wasn't summarily dismissed last week.

It's dangerous to jump the gun on matters like these until all the facts are in, if that ever happens.

Well, first of all, what he did was in a grand jury indictment based on his testimony under oath. Those were his words on what he did after he saw it.

Second, it looks as if the PSU police and State College police have NO record of McQueary coming to them.

Police say they have no record of Penn State's Mike McQueary reporting assault

I suppose if we want to go with the conspiracy theory stuff, we could say PSU police covered it up and got rid of McQueary's report. But I think the more likely explanation is McQueary saw how badly he screwed the pooch on the situation and how much people thought he was a coward so he decided to try cover his butt with some revisionist history about what he did.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Well, first of all, what he did was in a grand jury indictment based on his testimony under oath. Those were his words on what he did after he saw it.

Second, it looks as if the PSU police and State College police have NO record of McQueary coming to them.

Police say they have no record of Penn State's Mike McQueary reporting assault

I suppose if we want to go with the conspiracy theory stuff, we could say PSU police covered it up and got rid of McQueary's report. But I think the more likely explanation is McQueary saw how badly he screwed the pooch on the situation and how much people thought he was a coward so he decided to try cover his butt with some revisionist history about what he did.

That certainly could be the case, and we'll probably never know all the facts.

It's just very difficult to imagine anyone- no matter how much he values his job- failing to come to the aid of a child in that situation... And that's what makes the whole crew from the president on down being implicated so mind-boggling. (Could that many people really be of the same mind: forsaking everything that is decent in the interest of PSU football?)

Being of the opinion that people in general share a few core, innate values, I will cling to my opinion that things aren't as cut-and-dried as they appear to be,and I hope I'm right. I just can't get my mind around it, otherwise.

 

[dggoddard]

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Well, first of all, what he did was in a grand jury indictment based on his testimony under oath. Those were his words on what he did after he saw it.

Second, it looks as if the PSU police and State College police have NO record of McQueary coming to them.

Police say they have no record of Penn State's Mike McQueary reporting assault

I suppose if we want to go with the conspiracy theory stuff, we could say PSU police covered it up and got rid of McQueary's report. But I think the more likely explanation is McQueary saw how badly he screwed the pooch on the situation and how much people thought he was a coward so he decided to try cover his butt with some revisionist history about what he did.

McQuery said he spoke to the "police." Doesn't mean a report was filed. Happens all the time on campuses with athletes and "delicate" situations. McQuery won't have any trouble finding the "police" that he spoke to.

At the end of the day, its shocking to hear that the Pennsylvania State Police doesn't have jurisdiction on the Penn State campus. Clearly University police forces don't have the experience to handle these matters or things like the Virginia Tech shooting spree.

"McQueary said he "did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police"

 

[giwan]

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That certainly could be the case, and we'll probably never know all the facts.It's just very difficult to imagine anyone- no matter how much he values his job- failing to come to the aid of a child in that situation... And that's what makes the whole crew from the president on down being implicated so mind-boggling. (Could that many people really be of the same mind: forsaking everything that is decent in the interest of PSU football?)Being of the opinion that people in general share a few core, innate values, I will cling to my opinion that things aren't as cut-and-dried as they appear to be,and I hope I'm right. I just can't get my mind around it, otherwise.

They certainly are not as cut and dry. I do not think it was an issue of him valuing his job that he did not come to the aid of the child. It more likely has to do what his mind actually saw, and how stunned to who it was and what was or was not happening. I would think he saw Sandusky more as a father, family member, respected, in awe of etc. Eyewitness accounts of things can be horribly wrong, it's not what your eye sees it is what your mind believes it sees. A few interesting articles on SI.com regarding the situation and how insulated the FB team was/is and how PSU is so insulated.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

McQuery said he spoke to the "police." Doesn't mean a report was filed. Happens all the time on campuses with athletes and "delicate" situations. McQuery won't have any trouble finding the "police" that he spoke to.

At the end of the day, its shocking to hear that the Pennsylvania State Police doesn't have jurisdiction on the Penn State campus. Clearly University police forces don't have the experience to handle these matters or things like the Virginia Tech shooting spree.

No, it doesn't happen all the time.

 

[dggoddard]

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No, it doesn't happen all the time.

Athletes get preferential treatment all the time on college campuses. There are tons on campuses where the coach gets the first call from campus police...and "mysteriously" no report is filed.

I bet almost every single poster on this board heard stories of jocks getting off the hook when they were in school. Heck at North Dakota the Police Chief came to talk to the hockey team after a few incidents.

http://letsgodu.blogspot.com/2007/02/coach-hakstol-calls-in-cops-grand-forks.html

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Athletes get preferential treatment all the time on college campuses. There are tons on campuses where the coach gets the first call from campus police...and "mysteriously" no report is filed.

I have several family members in law enforcement and it does not happen all the time, and the consequences for not filing a report like this would be very severe.

I think it is FAR more likely that it was never reported.

 

[dggoddard]

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McQuery is covered either way, because we know he spoke to Schultz who was introduced as the "head of the department that oversaw campus police."

We're not talking about law enforcement, we're talking about campus cops giving preferential treatment to athletes.

The issue is the "culture" at Penn State and JoePa's influence throughout the entire university.

 

[giwan]

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Athletes get preferential treatment all the time on college campuses. There are tons on campuses where the coach gets the first call from campus police...and "mysteriously" no report is filed.http://letsgodu.blogspot.com/2007/02/coach-hakstol-calls-in-cops-grand-forks.html

It's not just athletes, it's the coaches as well. Every school has some level of scandal.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

McQuery is covered either way, because we know he spoke to Schultz who was introduced as the "head of the department that oversaw campus police."

We're not talking about law enforcement, we're talking about campus cops giving preferential treatment to athletes.

The issue is the "culture" at Penn State and JoePa's influence throughout the entire university.

Again. I am arguing moral implications and you keep referencing legal implications. I never once implied that he would be legally liable. I said he was a coward.

 

[WeAreNDHockey]

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At the end of the day, its shocking to hear that the Pennsylvania State Police doesn't have jurisdiction on the Penn State campus. Clearly University police forces don't have the experience to handle these matters or things like the Virginia Tech shooting spree.

Actually the PA State Police have jurisdiction throughout the Commonwealth. I lived in Hollidaysburg and the Troop Barracks located there included the barracks serving Centre County and State College.

 

[dggoddard]

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Actually the PA State Police have jurisdiction throughout the Commonwealth. I lived in Hollidaysburg and the Troop Barracks located there included the barracks serving Centre County and State College.

My mistake. The article said "State College Police" don't have jurisdiction on campus.

 

[Priceless]

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Terry Pagula speaks

Snippets:

"I am standing behind the university," Pegula told TSN in his first interview about the PSU scandal, although he did issue a press release last week re-affirming his financial commitment for the D1 hockey program that is set to begin next fall.

"Our concern and compassion should be for the children involved in these terrible allegations," he said in a telephone interview from Boca Raton, Fla. "Whomever may have been involved in any way, anyone who knew anything, they've got to come clean. They've got to step forward and say, 'Here's what I know, here's what happened...' and that includes you know who," a seemingly obvious reference to Penn State legendary football coach Joe Paterno.

"This is not about covering your ***. Telling the truth now will go a long way towards getting everyone through this. If there's going to be a blind allegiance to anyone or anything here, it needs to be the university and to the truth...that's how we get to the bottom of what happened, that's how we get our image back."

 

[Hammy]

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Internet posting pointed to Sandusky

Investigators with the Pennsylvania attorney general's office — who were already convinced Sandusky was a serial molester — were alerted to an Internet forum posting that mentioned a Penn State football coach had kept silent about abuse he had witnessed years earlier, sources told the newspaper.

The posting, on a forum where people chatted about Penn State athletics, allowed them to draw up a list of coaches likely to have seen something, which in turn led them to Penn State's wide receivers coach Mike McQueary.

Investigators set up a meeting in a parking lot a little over a year ago, the newspaper reported, at which McQueary unburdened himself about having witnessed a 10-year-old boy being raped by Sandusky in 2002.

It is pretty clear he never went to the police after he saw this kid get molested. They wouldn't need to draw up lists of names wondering who the anonymous coach was that had "kept silent" and he certainly wouldn't have to "unburden" himself if he already spilled the beans to the police. Let's just quit making lame excuses for this guy. He was a gutless slug that is trying to save his own butt now because he looks like such a joke.

 

[Hammy]

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McQuery said he spoke to the "police." Doesn't mean a report was filed. Happens all the time on campuses with athletes and "delicate" situations. McQuery won't have any trouble finding the "police" that he spoke to.

Yeah, right... I'm sure it is typical of any police department to not take a report where a child has reportedly been molested. Its funny how the cops around the situation didn't have any idea of anything yet you act as if this clown McQueary was screaming from the mountain tops that he had witnessed a child get raped and some justice had to be done.

 

[dggoddard]

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Defending McQueary, who is clearly a flawed figure in this tragedy, isn't easy. But Jason Whitlock does it in this article.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...ctions-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-scandal-111711

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Defending McQueary, who is clearly a flawed figure in this tragedy, isn't easy. But Jason Whitlock does it in this article.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...ctions-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-scandal-111711

Brutally flawed article and a complete waste of time for anyone contemplating reading it.

So, he's supposed to be spared any criticism because he witnessed the event at his workplace and "most Americans" are allegedly "rather cowardly" about speaking up at work?

Are you serious?

A child was getting raped. Take a week to think about that before posting again because the gravity of that situation CLEARLY hasn't registered with you.

I don't care if he was a secret service agent and he witnessed the President of the United States committing the act. I don't care if it would have cost him his career.

It was a CHILD. Getting RAPED.

He has no character. No moral compass. No spine. He is a coward.