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Oswego vs Plattsburgh "The Whiteout game"

Re: Oswego vs Plattsburgh "The Whiteout game"

Both institutions are "state" in name only...New York stopped being the main source of funding years ago - it's below 15% of the total budget now...
 
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There is a practical reason for this. Administrators don't want to show their students to the public behaving like a bunch of horse's @@@'s for about 3 reasons.



3. Potential well heeled donors tend not to want to give money to schools that house hooligans.

I think in some cases the opposite is true for well heeled donors. They WANT to see the loud and obnoxious fans raising all heck on the opposing team.

I know the gentleman that donated money to the $1 million video board was none to pleased when he saw powerpoint on it for three years.:rolleyes:

I was actually called into a meeting including Coach Gosek, Booster Club officials, and a few other big wigs my sophomore year trying to come up with ideas and ways to create more atmosphere at the games.
 
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Well, if all of this talk has convinced me of anything, it's that I REALLY need to transfer my tape of the '87 championship game onto DVD, if only so I can post a few clips of Stafford and the Plattsburgh-Oswego rivalry at its most over-the-top raucous. Players in the box clearly expressing their displeasure to the cameraman, complete disregard for fire codes, the woefully low neutral zone glass that allowed for some of the closest player-fan interaction you'll find this side of a pond...unsafe to a point just this side of chaos, but it sure is fun to watch :)
 
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Extremism in nearly any form is seldom good. Every generation wants to “improve the world”, but IMO, political correctness means offering mutual respect. I am 47 as of Jan. 28, and am proud of my generation, and would be glad if the upcoming generations were no worse than mine, I certainly do not consider myself any holier or better than anyone else. I agree that there is never a place for “racist or sexist” remarks, but exactly what constitutes “profanity and vulgarity”? There is no need to use “F-bombs”, but IMO, anything legal on TV is fine for the arena, using implied statements, such as “a-hole” or phrases along the line of “Taste Great – Less Filling”, should be accepted in the context of the event, this is COLLEGE sports, not the CYO or pee-wee’s – let kids-be-kids. The pompous, arrogant “do gooders”,need to go back to the seminary or other venues where being “goody two-shoes” is the norm, yes, things can get out-of-hand, and some “rules” are necessary, but imposing restrictions beyond what has historically been acceptable is putting oneself on a pedestal and is simply wrong.
 
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NU, while I understand what your saying, my problem is this.... everything that "they" now don't want us to do, is things that have been happening for roughly 30 years. and I agree with many others on what language should and shouldn't be used, I don't agree with swearing at the players/coaches/refs as it's a family atmosphere and there are young children. I guess for me, this all goes back to the no noisemakers, since I don't swear when I yell during the games.
 
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My guess at what the e-mail from Oswego Athletic Dept. actually means:

"Dear students,

look ... what you're doing at the games right now is fine. We don't really mind a little taunting and swearing in the name of school spirit, but we need to remind you that we're watching you. If 2000 drunk 18-22 year olds think that they have carte blanche things may get a little out of hand.

I also need to justify my salary for essentially a do nothing job. This e-mail and the meetings that went into it took nearly two weeks and as we all know it's not going to change anything. Suck it NYS taxpayers.

So just be cool and don't kill anyone or I'll be forced to actually do some work which I'm too lazy to do. Anyway I'm going to take another bong hit and catch a quick nap. Peace out ... and remember... we're always watching.

Oh yeh, go lakers!"
 
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I think in some cases the opposite is true for well heeled donors. They WANT to see the loud and obnoxious fans raising all heck on the opposing team.

Moreover (and this is probably part of what you're getting at, Prez), I think it's often the case that the well-heeled donors most inclined toward supporting a particular program were, once upon a time, loud and obnoxious fans raising all heck on the opposing team themselves.
 
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Guys, I'm not taking a stand on this, but I am trying to explain the reasoning behind the choices that are made. I'm not saying you're right, I'm not saying you're wrong, but there is a logic that is involved in the decisions that are made.

Don't beat me up for trying to explain somebody else's reasoning.
 
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Is there anything more racist than declaring it: "The Whiteout game"
 
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My guess at what the e-mail from Oswego Athletic Dept. actually means:

"Dear students,

look ... what you're doing at the games right now is fine. We don't really mind a little taunting and swearing in the name of school spirit, but we need to remind you that we're watching you. If 2000 drunk 18-22 year olds think that they have carte blanche things may get a little out of hand.

I also need to justify my salary for essentially a do nothing job. This e-mail and the meetings that went into it took nearly two weeks and as we all know it's not going to change anything. Suck it NYS taxpayers.

So just be cool and don't kill anyone or I'll be forced to actually do some work which I'm too lazy to do. Anyway I'm going to take another bong hit and catch a quick nap. Peace out ... and remember... we're always watching.

Oh yeh, go lakers!"

"You must spread reputation around before giving it to SB in the Seo again"

Very nice.
 
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I think in some cases the opposite is true for well heeled donors. They WANT to see the loud and obnoxious fans raising all heck on the opposing team.

I know the gentleman that donated money to the $1 million video board was none to pleased when he saw powerpoint on it for three years.:rolleyes:

I was actually called into a meeting including Coach Gosek, Booster Club officials, and a few other big wigs my sophomore year trying to come up with ideas and ways to create more atmosphere at the games.

Johnson 09,

You must have some kind of a warped mind. Perhaps you're on drugs. Now, if you have a legitimate mental illness, I don't mean to be rude. But seriously, if you are on drugs, you've either taken too much or not enough. No one, and I mean no one, save for a few zealots and scientologists, is going to pay attention to that letter. In fact, it will probably even cause the crowd to be even more raucous. I'll stand up to the man when there's actually a man in Oswego. When UP blows some kids brains out for swearing at a Platty Player, then I'll stand up to the man. Until then, I'm good. You've been posting about this for hours now. Why? No one cares. Except for Tim Hale and, apparently, you. Why would you brag about your meeting with Gosek and the Georgettes? That has nothing to do with the letter. If you want to make a poor argument about the evils of fascism and the totalitariansim of Debbie and Timmy at least make an effort to stay on topic. The next time I'm in Albany, I'll make sure to stay away from Gloversville.

I don't mean to rain on your parade. If you want to go to Greene's with the other lifetime posters, go for it. But don't blame Tim Hale, or Oswego State University, for issuing the letter. They probably had to do it to avoid any potential lawsuits. When I saw the letter, I just said Duh? Of course they have to send this out. Some people sue at the drop of a hat, keep in mind. I thought about filing a lawsuit against you when I read your posts. All I want to do is read about the upcoming game and instead I get this letter talk. And yes, some people didn't like it. It is a live event, stuff happens. A few people understood the letter, though, too. But everyone disregarded it completely. Well, almost everyone. There was you and the zealots. It didn't need to be addressed further, but you addressed it anyway. After that, you couldn't even respect EagleLaker, who simply offered an opinion which differed from yours. Now, his contributions weren't exactly the picture of maturity. But seriously man, grow up. Romney closed. Shea stadium got torn down. It happens. Move on and go back to Elmira. No guns. No butter. Both can kill.

Shorty
 
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Johnson 09,

.. No one, and I mean no one, save for a few zealots and scientologists, is going to pay attention to that letter. In fact, it will probably even cause the crowd to be even more raucous. ...
Shorty

I wish you right, but alas, the atmosphere is NO WHERE, not even 25% of what it was 20 years ago. Is it was because today's students are saints or because the self-righteous establishment has eroded it into a mockery of the historical spirit of collegiate sports?
 
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Not sure what you are including, but the cost of the led board wasn't anywhere close to $1MM....
 
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This is by far the best thread in a while. I am literally laughing out loud at each and every one--good job gentlemen.

My take-I used to be like Derek, at Romney, and it was fun. but it was worse. Out of control behavior as a student. Good memories, but can't imagine getting away with it today. Now older and 'better heeled' I enjoy college sports. Take my family, etc. Took my 8 year old to her first UCF basketball game last weekend. The one thing I don't do is sit near the student section. I love you kids, you're the best, but I like you way over there. For me the student section is one of the best parts of the game to watch and as long I am not sitting near it I'm good. Point is, there are other places to sit if you don't like the vibe or whatever.
 
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I reviewed the specs and worked the bids on behalf of the school - you could have the board or a nicely equipped 2010 Porsche 911 Turbo Cabriolet including the luxury tax....
 
Re: Oswego vs Plattsburgh "The Whiteout game"

I wish you right, but alas, the atmosphere is NO WHERE, not even 25% of what it was 20 years ago. Is it was because today's students are saints or because the self-righteous establishment has eroded it into a mockery of the historical spirit of collegiate sports?

Lack of school spirit? Depends on the school, but overall I would say students have more choices and more diversions now than 20 years ago.
 
Re: Oswego vs Plattsburgh "The Whiteout game"

Not sure what you are including, but the cost of the led board wasn't anywhere close to $1MM....

From my experience, arena size LED's (such as Panasonic's Astrovision) are priced around $40,000 per square yard, a 6' x 9' LED costs about $240,000. I do not know the size of Oswego's, but $1 million dollars it wasn't, prices have dropped significantly in recent years, but not that much.
 
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