Oswego vs Plattsburgh "The Whiteout game"

[LoudHorns31]

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I don't think it really has anything to do with where people sit. I can hear the chants at the other end of the rink. so it doesn't really matter where people sit, if students are swearing everyone is gonna hear it.

 

[collegehcky2]

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Point taken. I agree it doesn't matter in that sense. However, I've heard complaints about taunting the goalie after giving up a goal, booing a player after committing a penalty and whatnot. Just stuff that's ridiculous, some "fans" want a movie theater atmosphere, no chanting, no passion, just applause when a team scores.

 

[bakdraft21]

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I got my tickets...however was wondering, does anyone have or know of someone with an extra ticket I would be able to get?

I may have 3 extras , may, I have to wait until late thurs or fri morning to find out if my buddie is bringing his wife and 2 kids, I bought tiks for them thru the alumni offering a few weeks ago....you can stay in touch and ill let ya know asap ....

 

[bakdraft21]

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I was informed that the following email was sent to the Oswego student body today:



To all Oswego State Hockey fans:

Please take the above e-mail and tell the administration to stick it up their butts. Instead of newspaper, print out 1000 copies of these and hold them up during the Plattsburgh introductions and then crumple them up and toss them during the Oswego player intros.

This is D-III college hockey and your time to shine. Don't let the administration try and take away from your fun and your right to enjoy one of Division III's best rivalries.

This is a load of horse crap. A true college hockey enviroment does whatever necessary to get on the opposing team verbally and visually.

I hope when i watch the webcast on Saturday I hear every chant and ever cheer done exactly the same way it has been done in the past.

Cheer the boys on to victory and make sure every Plattsburgh player knows you're a proud Oswego State student and were raised to hate the dreaded Cards.

This would have never happened in Romney. Fight the man. Don't let them take away the home crowd advantage and take away from your enjoyment of a college hockey game. Games are have already been muted enough in the CC. Don't let this crap happen too.

Signed,

Derek Dunning
Oswego State '09

This is some funny stuff, how times have changed, the 3
best chants I remember in the 84-87 seasons were ...taste great and less filling....and the ever popular shut the fcuk up when the opposing coach tried to talk/argue with the ref, I guess that would b no good now-a-days and the ever popular a-hole chant when the other team got a penalty, loved it when marty midori used to spell the players name and the whole crowd chanted a-hole...a-hole......ow well times change...........

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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I was informed that the following email was sent to the Oswego student body today:



To all Oswego State Hockey fans:

Please take the above e-mail and tell the administration to stick it up their butts. Instead of newspaper, print out 1000 copies of these and hold them up during the Plattsburgh introductions and then crumple them up and toss them during the Oswego player intros.

This is D-III college hockey and your time to shine. Don't let the administration try and take away from your fun and your right to enjoy one of Division III's best rivalries.

This is a load of horse crap. A true college hockey enviroment does whatever necessary to get on the opposing team verbally and visually.

I hope when i watch the webcast on Saturday I hear every chant and ever cheer done exactly the same way it has been done in the past.

Cheer the boys on to victory and make sure every Plattsburgh player knows you're a proud Oswego State student and were raised to hate the dreaded Cards.

This would have never happened in Romney. Fight the man. Don't let them take away the home crowd advantage and take away from your enjoyment of a college hockey game. Games are have already been muted enough in the CC. Don't let this crap happen too.

Signed,

Derek Dunning
Oswego State '09

One thing BOTH REAL Plattsburgh fans and REAL Laker fans can agree on!

Here is the latest from our wonderful coach regarding the RNA Shirts (of which arrived today and are nice) After reading both Emery's response and Oswego's response, she actually asked if I could design the same shirt in Green and Gold and sell them for you Laker fans by Saturday...anyways enough rambling....

The Plattsburgh State Hockey team and coaching staff have requested that fans refrain from wearing the Red Nation Army tee shirts (pictured below) this weekend in Oswego. The team feels the shirts reflect an image that does not coincide with that of the program and its fans. These shirts will only serve to motivate the opposing team and put our team and fans in a negative light.

Coach Emery hopes that all Cardinal Hockey Fans show the same amount of class that he demands of his team on and off the ice. The team feels these shirts are in bad taste and again, asks that fans refrain from wearing them in Oswego. The team thanks everyone for their support and looks forward to seeing everyone in Cortland and Oswego this weekend.

I find it funny that the "team" does not like them, yet I've sold some to the same very team....

 

[LakerEagleLover]

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So we have learned a few things...

1-Derek has yet to grow up and embrace what it means to be a responsible adult in the real world.

2-Student creativity has been flushed down the toilet and the best they can come up with is crap they wouldn't dare say (or get away with) if grandma was on one side and mom was on the other. Why is it such a tough assignment to cheer for your own team without pi**ing on the opponent? You were smart enough to get it - show that you are smart enough to graduate....

3-Blame it on the new building...the administration...the Zamboni fairy...in case you haven't noticed, this is a national trend that is being embraced across the country. It is a reflection of current sensibilities and is not limited to the two schools in question. It is what it is...

4- Like it or not, it's a mixed crowd...families...kids...in relatively close quarters...you can hear a pin drop or an F-bomb without trying very hard. If you can't come up with anything better than George Carlin's littany of what you can't say on TV, then give your ticket up to someone with more than half a brain who can cheer the Lakers to victory.

 

[WnyoOZ]

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One thing BOTH REAL Plattsburgh fans and REAL Laker fans can agree on!

Here is the latest from our wonderful coach regarding the RNA Shirts (of which arrived today and are nice) After reading both Emery's response and Oswego's response, she actually asked if I could design the same shirt in Green and Gold and sell them for you Laker fans by Saturday...anyways enough rambling....



I find it funny that the "team" does not like them, yet I've sold some to the same very team....

this is seriously nonsense...you have every right in the world to support your team in any way .. even though i am a laker fan i think you should be able to sport your RNA shirts.. that would be like them telling us to not wear our puck flattsburgh shirts... if i was a plattsburgh fan and drove 5 hours to oswego i would deff sport the t shirt that you bought

 

[mazile]

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So we have learned a few things...

1-Derek has yet to grow up and embrace what it means to be a responsible adult in the real world.

2-Student creativity has been flushed down the toilet and the best they can come up with is crap they wouldn't dare say (or get away with) if grandma was on one side and mom was on the other. Why is it such a tough assignment to cheer for your own team without pi**ing on the opponent? You were smart enough to get it - show that you are smart enough to graduate....

3-Blame it on the new building...the administration...the Zamboni fairy...in case you haven't noticed, this is a national trend that is being embraced across the country. It is a reflection of current sensibilities and is not limited to the two schools in question. It is what it is...

4- Like it or not, it's a mixed crowd...families...kids...in relatively close quarters...you can hear a pin drop or an F-bomb without trying very hard. If you can't come up with anything better than George Carlin's littany of what you can't say on TV, then give your ticket up to someone with more than half a brain who can cheer the Lakers to victory.

Please! If you or your kids are going to be dragged into the gutter by a few 4-letter words, maybe it's you who should be giving up your tickets. Political correctness continues its relentless assault on America.

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

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So we have learned a few things...

1-Derek has yet to grow up and embrace what it means to be a responsible adult in the real world.

Clearly the fact that I think it's BS everyone wants to censor college students at a hockey game completely judges my morals and personality.

You watched games at Romney and you're calling me unresponsible for wanting to keep the same tradition?

I didn't even attend Romney games in their hayday in the 1980's (I started around 2000).

The fact that the games have already been censored so much and so many things taken away is a joke. The only reason any of this came about is because of the move to the new rink. True hockey was played in Romney without the administrators sticking their noses up at the actions of the students having a good time.

Guess what, college is the STUDENTS time. Let them have their fun. If you go to a college hockey game and don't expect to hear a few obscenities or fans picking on an opponent, you're oblivious and can't appreciate old time hockey.

I'm ashamed to root or the same teams as you if this is really your outlook on the way college hockey should be handled.

The Domes used to be quite a spectacle too in the days of the Red Line Rowdies.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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Please! If you or your kids are going to be dragged into the gutter by a few 4-letter words, maybe it's you who should be giving up your tickets. Political correctness continues its relentless assault on America.

A-Freakn-Men!!! Or should I say A-Freakn-Women to be correct....

LEL I agree to a certain extent, you don't need to F-bomb it over and over and over and over..okay you get the point. These are STUDENTS, and some of the stuff is creative Harassing a goaltender, harrassing oponents in general, its a part of DIII hockey. Now they want this to be the same thing as going to a movie, entertainment. I also find it real funny that the same people who will laugh till they are blue in the face over something someone said, cower in a corner when someone steps to them or its brought up. And don't even go with the growing up thing....10-15 years ago alone it was twenty times as bad what you heard coming from stands. While some things have toned done, certain people want it toned out.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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Clearly the fact that I think it's BS everyone wants to censor college students at a hockey game completely judges my morals and personality.

You watched games at Romney and you're calling me unresponsible for wanting to keep the same tradition?

I didn't even attend Romney games in their hayday in the 1980's (I started around 2000).

The fact that the games have already been censored so much and so many things taken away is a joke. The only reason any of this came about is because of the move to the new rink. True hockey was played in Romney without the administrators sticking their noses up at the actions of the students having a good time.

Guess what, college is the STUDENTS time. Let them have their fun. If you go to a college hockey game and don't expect to hear a few obscenities or fans picking on an opponent, you're oblivious and can't appreciate old time hockey.

I'm ashamed to root or the same teams as you if this is really your outlook on the way college hockey should be handled.

The Domes used to be quite a spectacle too in the days of the Red Line Rowdies.

I say instead of t-shirts, next year we all hand out duct tape and we all sit there and not say a word...see how fun of a game that is....

 

[LakerFan11]

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I have only been going to games since 2008 but when i got this in my mailbox i was so ****ed off. Im not saying cursing and degrading comments are correct but when it comes to hockey its natural. Hockey's a brutal tough game its expected the students at least to be a little aggressive as well in their chants.

The thing I Love most about Oswego Hockey aside from the Hockey itself is how great a student section we have. I know its apparently not what it use to be but when i go to away games and the 15 or so Oswego fans are louder than the 200 some odd home fans its kinda disappointing for the home team.

As students we need to cheer on OUR team in the way we see fit. Its what makes DIII hockey great and why im proud to be a Laker!

 

[ColdInRomney]

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I sure hope someone clues in the team about our new decency standards. We sit up behind the bench and it's not always soothing to the ears when a frustrated hockey player comes off the ice.

How's about we have pairs of opposing players do a lap around the rink hand-in-hand before the game just as a demonstration of good sportsmanship? I think that would be nice.

 

[LakerEagleLover]

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Derek - Sadly, then we are both ashamed (and think how Jeter must feel)...

I thought my point was simple - going the trash mouth route is easy and requires no brain power or creativity...so if you flip the bird and go that route, what have you accomplished besides making the vice tighter next time...there have been plenty of games played to empty stands at the collegiate level because a student group thought they had all the leverage...I don't think anyone wants that...right?

Be Loud. Be Creative. Have Fun. Why is that such a hard concept to accept?

The Domes comparison doesn't compare - when you seat 3,000 and the student body is less than 1,200, the game and venue takes on a whole new dynamic - the loudest, foulest, nastiest fans I heard this year were the locals...the students were tame by comparison...and usually outnumbered 2-1.

And let me be clear - this isn't something that I take personal offense to - it doesn't bother me...but I do think you need to show respect to the teams and the people around you...I call that common decency...it's not political, it's people respecting people.

I was at Romney in the 70's - It wasn't as bad as you make it out to be - I think the legend grows as oldtimers want to feel like they were bad...down and dirty bad...and given the tight spaces and difficulty back then to get tickets, the students were routinely outnumbered by the locals, much like I referred to the MAC. Yes, the new Ice Palace doesn't have the romantic charm of the old place - it's new and shiny and has a different crowd mix...so whether you like it or not, adapting to the new environment is not optional...that's all I'm sayin'.

Happy to debate all this at Greene's - we can CURSE there - and I'll buy.

So whatever will happen will happen -

 

[SB in the 'Seo]

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This sounds like one of those situations were your parents would tell you not to do something and even if you were not planning on doing it - you do it just to be defiant.

To tie it back to this situation I'd say that my cheering preference is "root for your team" more than "root against the other team." Maybe it's background playing golf competitively (you want to win but you obviously don't shout "shank!" every time your opponent hits a shot) or some other reason - regardless that is were I fall. That being said, if I got this e-mail I would consider switching to the other side just to "stick it to the man."

I wonder if this e-mail did more harm than good?

 

[Laker Ranger]

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Plattsburgh fans - get your red jersey's and wear 'em to the game no matter what. Fellow Oswegoers - break out whatever you got for this game that is anti Cards. What has ultimately fueled the rival so much over the decades (and please stamp me out if I'm wrong, being that I've only been a Laker for 2 years) is not just the play - the Cardinals and Lakers have fashioned this contest into the ultimate competition on ice for a long time.

Rivalry spirit lives and dies, in the end, with the FANS. The team directors, the athletics departments, the administrators, etc. are not here to dictate to us what constitutes as a rivalry in a sport we are passionate about. The traditions have been built already BY THE FANS, and guess what? The FANS like it! No changes need to be made to something that the (very) vast majority of D3 hockey diehards at our respective schools applauds and cheers for. Those in power at particular stations need to stop meddling in this (to get their precious 2 cents in and set their influence on pedestals) and the minute minorities stop pushing their wanton "clean, yet gaily happy" preferences on REAL hockey fans.

Red Army fans: I've bought a white "better dead than red" shirt that I intend to wear to the game, almost solely cause I saw your shirt campaign. Please show up to the game with those Plattsburgh shirts - I WANT A RIVALRY!

I've said my piece.

 

[OZFEST]

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Round and round we go. What ever the situation with shirts, warnings, etc I hope we all get to enjoy this re-match of the best rivalry in DIII. It's a sell out, it's gonna be loud and it's gonna be fun.

Oh, for the students on the board, uh, **** the man, right on.

 

[NUProf]

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That leter is exactly why Tim Hale and Bruce Delventhal need to leave their respective colleges. since they have come in, and with the new CC in Oswego and the renovations to the Stafford, they have done nothing but take the crowd out of the game. no noisemakers, and now, no "abusive" language..... GROW UP! if you want silence, go to church on Sunday!

There is a practical reason for this. Administrators don't want to show their students to the public behaving like a bunch of horse's @@@'s for about 3 reasons.

1. They don't think it is good for admissions. If Perry Prospective Parent sees Oswego students misbehaving in public, he's likely (goes the theory) to tell Junior he won't pay his way to go to Oswego.

2. Oswego is a state supported institution. If legislators witness misbehavior on the part of students, the theory suggests that they are going to be less likely to vote for projects/state support for the campus, and will be more likely to vote for tuition hikes, which brings us back to #1.

3. Potential well heeled donors tend not to want to give money to schools that house hooligans.

Its all about PR outside the school and that is one of the jobs that the modern administrator is concerned about.

It's not that Hale and Delventhal are inherently evil, they are just doing the jobs that the system wants them to do. You can bet if the President didn't want things done they way that they do their job, they would do it differently. The issue is at the top of the institution, not with a middle manager

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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There is a practical reason for this. Administrators don't want to show their students to the public behaving like a bunch of horse's @@@'s for about 3 reasons.

1. They don't think it is good for admissions. If Perry Prospective Parent sees Oswego students misbehaving in public, he's likely (goes the theory) to tell Junior he won't pay his way to go to Oswego.

2. Oswego is a state supported institution. If legislators witness misbehavior on the part of students, the theory suggests that they are going to be less likely to vote for projects/state support for the campus, and will be more likely to vote for tuition hikes, which brings us back to #1.

3. Potential well heeled donors tend not to want to give money to schools that house hooligans.

Its all about PR outside the school and that is one of the jobs that the modern administrator is concerned about.

But in NY, there is currently legislation under consideration that would give SUNY and CUNY schools effective (although not absolute) control over their own tuitions.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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There is a practical reason for this. Administrators don't want to show their students to the public behaving like a bunch of horse's @@@'s for about 3 reasons.

1. They don't think it is good for admissions. If Perry Prospective Parent sees Oswego students misbehaving in public, he's likely (goes the theory) to tell Junior he won't pay his way to go to Oswego.

Really? So when Midd won all their Championships in the late 90's and about the only thing to come out of their mouths were either Fbombs or puke from all the beer, that stopped the Goldmans and company from coming...okay?

2. Oswego is a state supported institution. If legislators witness misbehavior on the part of students, the theory suggests that they are going to be less likely to vote for projects/state support for the campus, and will be more likely to vote for tuition hikes, which brings us back to #1.

Yea and all they use to call Romney was the most Rowdy SUNYAC schools, period. But yet they build a brand new rink.

3. Potential well heeled donors tend not to want to give money to schools that house hooligans.

I guess you should tell that to Steve Levy....