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Osama bin Laden Declared Dead

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Mrs. P and me were ROFLOAF when we saw this.

Also, someone tweeted this a day or two after the deed was done:

Bin Laden out with upper body injury, will not return!
 
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Interim manager...

Saif al-Adel, an Egyptian, was named al-Qaeda's interim leader, and Mustafa al-Yemeni will direct operations, Al Jazeera reports. The website says al-Adel is one of al-Qaeda's leading military commanders and helped plan the bomb attacks against the American embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in 1998.

An al-Qaeda expert says al-Adel might not act as head of the organization for long. "This role that he has assumed is not as overall leader, but he is in charge in operational and military terms," Noman Benotman, a former bin Laden associate who is now an analyst with Britain's Quilliam Foundation think tank, told Al Jazeera.

Benotman told CNN that based on his personal communications with militants and discussions on jihadist forums, al-Adel had been chosen interim chief because the global jihadist community had grown restive about the lack of a formal announcement of a successor to bin Laden.

The presumed successor to bin Laden is his long-time deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is also Egyptian. Benotman said the temporary appointment of al-Adel may be a way for the leadership to gauge reaction to the selection of someone from beyond the Arabian Peninsula as the group's leader.
 
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They're pretty much all interim managers from now on...
 
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"Hired to be fired (on)."


The revelations about stealth drones and choppers, and their obvious efficacy, are likely to diminish applications for the top job. Some of these dudes are going to find that between back flushing their Water Pics and waxing some dental floss, they just don't have the time.
 
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Arent we glad we're in Afghanistan and Iraq about now?

Except for Kuwait (and we should have used the UN there), I think we're oh-fer in using our military since most of us were born.
 
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Arent we glad we're in Afghanistan and Iraq about now?

Except for Kuwait (and we should have used the UN there), I think we're oh-fer in using our military since most of us were born.

You lost me at the parenthetical.

In which ways did GHWB not use the UN?
 
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Arent we glad we're in Afghanistan and Iraq about now?

Except for Kuwait (and we should have used the UN there), I think we're oh-fer in using our military since most of us were born.


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I know I'll regret it, but I'll respond to your ignorant post. How you can describe what we've done in Iraq and Afghanistan as an "o-fer" I find that astonishing and so suffused with left wing cant as to defy analysis. Let's see, there used to be a ruthless dictator in charge in Iraq. He and his scrofulous sons are history. And there seems to be an emerging democracy there that's taking hold. Even your guy, "the one," is now attempting to take credit for Iraq even though he opposed the effort every step of the way and proclaimed the strategy that ultimately pulled victory our of the jaws of defeat a "failure," even before it was implemented.

As to Afghanistan, never mind the fact that we've driven the Taliban government there (the government that hosted bin Laden and made 9/11 possible) out of the country or underground (you know, burials), how about the fact that "the one's" great triumph was made possible by the forces and equipment we have at Baghram, our huge base in Afghanistan. "The One" wouldn't be able to prance around like the reincarnation of George Patton were it not for our presence in Afghanistan.

And your "we should have used the UN" in Kuwait comment is too silly, by several orders of magnitude, to even discuss. The blue berets are pretty good at checking ID's once the adults have finished. What would the UN have done on the Basra highway? I recall with great pleasure and pride what the United States Air Force did.

So amuse yourself with your snarky anti-American cracks about us being "oh-fer." You're wrong, and you know it, but you just can't help yourself. Facts are tres inconvenient to uber libs like you. Besides, it sounds like you're copping lines from "Heartbreak Ridge" without attribution.

And let's not forget the third war "the one's" got us in. I'm guessing when a Republican's in the WH you're a firm believer in the War Powers Act. But with Obama, not so much. After all, the War Powers Act emerged from a heavily Democratic House and Senate after Vietnam. A war which two Democratic presidents, and those same Democratic Senators and Congressmen made possible. So spare me your slanted analysis of how ineffectual our military has been. The Hussein family would disagree. The bin Laden family would disagree. The family members of the Taliban in Afghanistan and Iraq would disagree. The surviving members of the Republican Guard would disagree. And when we finally kill off Gadaffi (soon, I hope) his family will disagree.
 
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Arent we glad we're in Afghanistan and Iraq about now?

Except for Kuwait (and we should have used the UN there), I think we're oh-fer in using our military since most of us were born.


Not sure what exactly this has to do with catching bin Laden?
 
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I know I'll regret it, but I'll respond to your ignorant post. How you can describe what we've done in Iraq and Afghanistan as an "o-fer" I find that astonishing and so suffused with left wing cant as to defy analysis. Let's see, there used to be a ruthless dictator in charge in Iraq. He and his scrofulous sons are history. And there seems to be an emerging democracy there that's taking hold. Even your guy, "the one," is now attempting to take credit for Iraq even though he opposed the effort every step of the way and proclaimed the strategy that ultimately pulled victory our of the jaws of defeat a "failure," even before it was implemented.

There are a dozen other dictators out there. You're ready to ship our brave young lads off to the Congo? The only reason your behind this specific war is because W was. And the most foolish policy 'my guy' has made so far is to follow Gates, etc and embrace extending all this. (His second was healthcare).

As to Afghanistan, never mind the fact that we've driven the Taliban government there (the government that hosted bin Laden and made 9/11 possible) out of the country or underground (you know, burials), how about the fact that "the one's" great triumph was made possible by the forces and equipment we have at Baghram, our huge base in Afghanistan. "The One" wouldn't be able to prance around like the reincarnation of George Patton were it not for our presence in Afghanistan.

Spin away. Either way its bad policy. The Taliban was there before we arrived and they'll be there when we leave. Ask the Russians.

And your "we should have used the UN" in Kuwait comment is too silly, by several orders of magnitude, to even discuss. The blue berets are pretty good at checking ID's once the adults have finished. What would the UN have done on the Basra highway? I recall with great pleasure and pride what the United States Air Force did.

So amuse yourself with your snarky anti-American cracks about us being "oh-fer." You're wrong, and you know it, but you just can't help yourself. Facts are tres inconvenient to uber libs like you. Besides, it sounds like you're copping lines from "Heartbreak Ridge" without attribution.

And let's not forget the third war "the one's" got us in. I'm guessing when a Republican's in the WH you're a firm believer in the War Powers Act. But with Obama, not so much. After all, the War Powers Act emerged from a heavily Democratic House and Senate after Vietnam. A war which two Democratic presidents, and those same Democratic Senators and Congressmen made possible. So spare me your slanted analysis of how ineffectual our military has been. The Hussein family would disagree. The bin Laden family would disagree. The family members of the Taliban in Afghanistan and Iraq would disagree. The surviving members of the Republican Guard would disagree. And when we finally kill off Gadaffi (soon, I hope) his family will disagree.

This is about my top passion...as its hard to count the ways and magnitude of devastation to this country and its citizens of US 'wars'. The world is now grown up...it can handle problems that concern it just fine.
 
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There are a dozen other dictators out there. You're ready to ship our brave young lads off to the Congo? The only reason your behind this specific war is because W was. And the most foolish policy 'my guy' has made so far is to follow Gates, etc and embrace extending all this. (His second was healthcare).



Spin away. Either way its bad policy. The Taliban was there before we arrived and they'll be there when we leave. Ask the Russians.



This is about my top passion...as its hard to count the ways and magnitude of devastation to this country and its citizens of US 'wars'. The world is now grown up...it can handle problems that concern it just fine.

Spin? You imply Obama's the greatest president since Jimmy Carter and his only "mistake" is in allowing Gates to talk him into clipping bin Laden? And extending Bush policies? And you call my positions spin? Pass the Kool aid. I keep hoping you have a rendezvous with rationality, only to be disappointed. So the "world can handle problems that concern it just fine," eh? Really? Was it the "world" that splattered bin Laden's brains on the floor or the United States? And the extent to which the "grown ups" as you call them can handle those problems is because of the protection provided by the United States. In the 30's that monument to liberal do-gooderism, the League of Nations, stood around biting its lip as the forces of fascism crushed small or defenseless countries and laid the ground work for World War II. The successor monument to do-gooderism, the United Nations, is scarcely better. Back on ignore.
 
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I still have no idea about the UN and Kuwait thing.

There's a legitimate debate to be had about the others, though. There's one less SOB in world politics, with Saddam Hussein out of the picture. Three if you count his sons. That still leaves . . . I dunno. A lot. And it wasn't cheap. Was it worth it? That's a legit debate. To claim the answer is obvious strikes me as disingenuous.

On the other hand, it's hard to argue that going into Afghanistan was the wrong move. But there's a genuine debate to be had there, too. Unless the Russkies cozy up to Obama in a major way, setting up serious resupply routes through Russian territory, then the harder we continue to lean on Afghanistan the less we can lean on Pakistan. It's not clear to me that's a winning play. If the Taliban were dangerous because they were sheltering OBL and AQ, then where, exactly, does that leave Pakistan?
 
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Afghanistan and Iraq? I don't know either.

What I'm saying is, how does our killing of OBL prove that invading Iraq and Afghanistan was the wrong call? Like people have said, there are certainly arguments to be made against the invasions, but to say this proves we shouldn't have been there, that's silly.

Particularly when the guy who gave us the tip on the courier was caught in Iraq. And it's not like OBL fled the mountains of Afghanistan because he was eager to take advantage of the Pakistani school system.

Now, you can say we might have caught the courier tip guy without being in Iraq, and maybe we could have flushed bin Laden out of Afghanistan some other way. I think there's a case to be made for that. But you've done **** all to make that case is all I'm saying.
 
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Without being in Afghanistan, the raid to kill OBL becomes a lot more problematic.
 
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I thought of all the wingnut bloviation about "the one" when I saw a version of this bumper sticker on a car today. It was not meant to be ironic:

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As somebody else said, "He died for your sins." :rolleyes:
 
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