Osama bin Laden Declared Dead

[bronconick]

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I see no reason why the American people *shouldn't* be able to see the picture. Methods and sources aren't going to be compromised, and if it's a nasty looking picture so what? War sucks. Maybe if our media did more of that sort of reporting instead of using fancy technologies it would be harder for politicians of all kinds to get the public to be supportive of being involved in a handful of conflicts at a time which granted, is a different discussion as a whole.

 

[geezer]

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Pi*s off with your psuedo psychological arguments. Why don't you try refusing what I argued rather than attacking me? Must defend Obama. Must defend Obama. Bollocks.

no, I'd like to see the photo evidence too. I'm just not going to get too worked up about it if they remain classified.

 

[Old Pio]

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no, I'd like to see the photo evidence too. I'm just not going to get too worked up about it if they remain classified.

You want to see the photos, but your reasons for wanting to see them are so much more elevated than mine? You may believe that, I'm guessing you'd be about the only one.

 

[state of hockey]

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Cripes.

 

[geezer]

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You want to see the photos, but your reasons for wanting to see them are so much more elevated than mine? You may believe that, I'm guessing you'd be about the only one.

No, same reasons.
Let's just say I was impressed by the level of enthusiasm in your essay.

 

[Old Pio]

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No, same reasons.

Then why the snark? Why go below the belt? If you have a point to make, why not make it? And leave the suggestions that I have some mental issues for wanting to see the photos for the children? Don't we have rules about personal attacks around here? And suggesting I'm a mental case isn't a personal attack?

 

[geezer]

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Then why the snark? Why go below the belt? If you have a point to make, why not make it? And leave the suggestions that I have some mental issues for wanting to see the photos for the children?

sorry to have offended. I have a troubled relationship with snark.

 

[aparch]

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So ...

How about you fill out a FOIA request for it?

 

[Rover]

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Don't think its a big deal that they won't release the photos. Of all the reasons not to, the one I respect the most is that we don't go around displaying trophies. I don't mind people wanting to see them out of revenge, closure, etc but neither of those should factor into the administration's decision. Its a simple analysis. What good comes from this vs what harm? No good comes out of it as the only real rational, to prove that he's dead, will not satisfy the most ardent tin foil hatters anyway, any more than Obama's birth certificate has. The harm is it moves the country back to the dark days of the Bush administration/torture/Abu Gharaib, etc in that it sinks the US back down to Any Other Country, which it isn't. The US is The Best Country in Human History, and a country like that doesn't display trophy pictures like shooting down a 10 point buck and then standing over it. The a-hole is dead. Never again will he plan an attack on the US. Most likely we gained valuable intelligence from what was in his house. No need to be angry over something as trivial as a picture of his head blown off IMHO.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Just once, I would like to see someone in the government stand up and say, "F-you! He was a criminal. He admitted his crimes in a public confession. We found him and we killed him. Now go away."

They're wrong...esp in this case. But as is often the case, many here don't understand their role.

The purpose of folks like UN human rights is to put out a case...and let the public decide. They do the same thing as Dobson...do I agree? No. But just as with a defense attorney...they're role is critical in having society have the best information on which to make judgements. And just the role of defense attorney, their role is very important.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Its only a gaffe if you are a grievance artist like yourself.

Wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo#Biography

Sounds like a comparison to OBL may actually be apt.... but i guess he's a hero to an oppressed minority... hey, just like Osama bin Laden... or so muslims would have you believe.

Geronimos story is well documented.

Likewise, very few Americans say that whites treatment of NAs during that period was 'appropriate' and Geronimos behavior is seen in that light. Geronimo's a faar cry from OBL who is arguably the worst single enemy this country has ever had. Depending on the basis of the codename, the analogy is horrible.

Brents point about pursuit is certainly valid.

 

[Kepler]

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This whole week has been great at my office -- despite the (extreme) ideological split (which runs about 1:1:8 liberal:conservative:birther) we all felt great and were high-fiving each other just for the collective identity of being American. It won't last because of the forest/tree problem of human perception, but while it does it will be genuinely nice.

 

[Old Pio]

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The next time you fly. And you're made to take off your shoes. And to pose for a nude photo. And are fondled and groped by somebody not smart enough to spread the mayo on a Whopper, thank OBL. For the millions of Americans who have been subjected to these and other humiliations in the name of "security," seeing what OBL looked like after stopping a couple with his face would go a long way toward making it all worthwhile.

 

[Hopkinja]

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...OBL who is arguably the worst single enemy this country has ever had.

Oh I'll definitely argue about that one. Hitler or Tojo just to name a couple. OBL was (was! ) bad, but definitely not the worst.

 

[Hopkinja]

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The next time you fly. And you're made to take off your shoes. And to pose for a nude photo. And are fondled and groped by somebody not smart enough to spread the mayo on a Whopper, thank OBL. For the millions of Americans who have been subjected to these and other humiliations in the name of "security," seeing what OBL looked like after stopping a couple with his face would go a long way toward making it all worthwhile.

No, sorry. I blame our own politicians for the unwillingness to properly fund and staff the TSA. Maybe OBL contributed to the need to have screening (he didn't cause it all on his own, either), but the f-ed up way we've gone about it is all on us and the incompetents we elect.

 

[Old Pio]

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No, sorry. I blame our own politicians for the unwillingness to properly fund and staff the TSA. Maybe OBL contributed to the need to have screening (he didn't cause it all on his own, either), but the f-ed up way we've gone about it is all on us and the incompetents we elect.

No OBL, no TSA. Arguing about how ineffectual they are is a different matter. "Properly fund and staff?" We need more of these morons? Sorry. As long as we continue to maintain that the threat of terrorist attacks on our airliners is spread equally thoughout society, we're going about this entirely wrong. But that's another argument for another day. No OBL, No TSA, period.

 

[Hopkinja]

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As long as we continue to maintain that the threat of terrorist attacks on our airliners is spread equally thoughout society, we're going about this entirely wrong.

No arguing with you there.

But OBL didn't create the need. And I'm not saying that the threat isn't real. But before it was OBL, it was Ghaddafi (i.e.Lockerbie). Before that it was the PLO. Before that it was Cubans hijacking planes to Havana.

OBL was simply the excuse that let the politicians go crazy with our money. That's the incompetence I'm talking about. Why is every patron taking off their shoes? Because the governement doesn't have the cojones to stand up to the PC police. Why are the screeners morons? Because the govenrment doesn't want to pay for competent screeners. They just want to spend the minimum needed to look like they're doing something. Why does some backwater town in Wyoming get nerve gas suits? Because their congressman is on the funding committee.

That @#$% has to stop.

 

[Old Pio]

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No arguing with you there.

But OBL didn't create the need. And I'm not saying that the threat isn't real. But before it was OBL, it was Ghaddafi (i.e.Lockerbie). Before that it was the PLO. Before that it was Cubans hijacking planes to Havana.

OBL was simply the excuse that let the politicians go crazy with our money. That's the incompetence I'm talking about. Why is every patron taking off their shoes? Because the governement doesn't have the cojones to stand up to the PC police. Why are the screeners morons? Because the govenrment doesn't want to pay for competent screeners. They just want to spend the minimum needed to look like they're doing something. Why does some backwater town in Wyoming get nerve gas suits? Because their congressman is on the funding committee.

That @#$% has to stop.

We gotta watch this agreeing stuff. Next thing you know, somebody will suggest YOU'RE a mental case.

 

[Hopkinja]

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We gotta watch this agreeing stuff. Next thing you know, somebody will suggest YOU'RE a mental case.

OK, we'll agree to disagree.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Oh I'll definitely argue about that one. Hitler or Tojo just to name a couple. OBL was (was! ) bad, but definitely not the worst.

I think its debatable. Certainly those two have history and had more of a national effort against them.

Yet for both Hitler and Tojo...defeating the US was a means to get something else they wanted. From what we know, OBL just wanted to see the US destroyed...no more, no less. Different cats.