Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

[Handyman]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Well he should have...the Reagan Administration's (and tons of other politicians on both sides) willful ignorance/blindness about the crisis because it was seen as a "gay epidemic" did more to spread the disease than anything else.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I think it has more to do with his "Get off my lawn" posting style...whenever I read his stuff I think of Dana Carvey as the old dude on SNL

In fact, this is an actual picture of Bob when UMD scored in OT to win the National Title last year:

And that was a good hair day! Oh, and I did change the style of my glasses, so next time use a more up to date picture.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Well he should have...the Reagan Administration's (and tons of other politicians on both sides) willful ignorance/blindness about the crisis because it was seen as a "gay epidemic" did more to spread the disease than anything else.

I guess hyperbole is really in fashion? You are not being literal, right? Wouldn't engaging in behavior that infects others be the number one cause of spreading the disease?

Oh, I get it, you mean that it was willful ignorance that kept public health officials from acting sooner!! sorry..

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I guess hyperbole is really in fashion? You are not being literal, right? Wouldn't engaging in behavior that infects others be the number one cause of spreading the disease?

Oh, I get it, you mean that it was willful ignorance that kept public health officials from acting sooner!! sorry..

Stop being intolerant!

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I'm pretty sure I did see a PSA (Public Service Ad) in 1989 or 1990, after Reagan had left office, though it might have been in a print ad with something like the quote you posted appearing in text below it. I did not explicitly say Reagan "apologized for his [initial] indifference" I meant to say that it came across as something like that, which one can infer from the quote you posted. Sounds like we agree on the main points and quibble over the details.

Sorry, we don't. A mythical appearance on TV with Ryan White is calculated to reinforce the unfair characterizatiion of Reagan's homophobia and its alleged role in "spreading" the disease. You can infer anything you like. I infer Reagan was being the gentleman we all know he was. Nothing more. The gay rights crowd labored strenuously to politicize AIDS and lots of people died because of it. Like those guys who became infected in the San Franciso bath houses that weren't closed, because that would have been "homophobic," or something.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I wonder if Barry sees the connection yet - The more he grovels and scrapes on his knees, the harder he sucks on the Taliban's ****, the more courage they take to launch new terrorism against us.
Obviously it would be more effective to treat them like the dirt they are. But nobody told our "perfect" president.

This might the most illiterate piece of garbage to be posted here since nate91b left the board. Terrorists by definition cannot be emboldened by anything - they'd have to not be cowards for that to happen. They sure as hell didn't stop in their tracks following our entry to Afghanistan and if anything emboldened them at all it was GWII. You want to dislike the President you have every right (and for a lot of reasons I'm right alone with you) but at least do it without resorting to being a friggin meathead that can't squeeze an intelligent or coherent thought from his arsehole.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I guess hyperbole is really in fashion? You are not being literal, right? Wouldn't engaging in behavior that infects others be the number one cause of spreading the disease?

Oh, I get it, you mean that it was willful ignorance that kept public health officials from acting sooner!! sorry..

If you honestly dont know what I meant than it isnt worth discussing with you anyways.

/Bob Gray

 

[Bakunin]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

...or that where people find themselves in life is due to their own merits.

While where we end up is partly blamed on/attributed to our parents, a big portion of that equation still falls upon the individual's own decision-making and motivation or lack thereof. You can be given all the tools to be successful via genetics and upbringing, but you still have to possess the desire and will to use them. At the other extreme, you can be born to ****ty neglectful parents and have no financial advantages or family support whatsoever and still become successful in your adult life. The key element beneath it all is the drive to better oneself.

 

[joecct]

Fantasy land. There is no equal starting line and no equal finishing line.

But do all the social programs we have try to achieve that? We take money from those who are well off and give it to those who are not.

 

[amherstblackbear]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Lots of people disagree with that....suppose you are a [insert affiliation]? can you go to a [charitable / religious affiliated ] hospital and be treated there because other members of the same affiliation have already set aside in advance private money to pay for that care?

Let me get this straight. A child is playing after school, runs into the street, and is hit by a vehicle. So instead of waiting to provide emergency services to verify ability to pay, we should waste valuable time tracking down parents, verifying their religious affiliations, and then directing first responders to the nearest relevant hospital? Even if the Catholic hospital is 30 minutes away, but the "bad" private, for-profit place is 5 minutes away? Not everyone has the good sense to require care (emergency or otherwise) in the backyard of a well-funded charitable, religious hospital. Think about what you've written, here.

 

[BassAle]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

amherstblackbear, I'm not sure why you are bothering with FreshFish. He/she/it is clearly an idiot.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

amherstblackbear, I'm not sure why you are bothering with FreshFish. He/she/it is clearly an idiot.

I don't think he's an idiot, I think he and his ilk choose to ignore any facts that would separate them from their preconceived blankies and teddies.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

But do all the social programs we have try to achieve that? We take money from those who are well off and give it to those who are not.

The 1% surely think so. All those evil social programs are about making sure people don't starve, not making sure those kids have the same starting line as Romney's kids. Do you think that you and Paris Hilton had the same starting line?

Let me get this straight. A child is playing after school, runs into the street, and is hit by a vehicle. So instead of waiting to provide emergency services to verify ability to pay, we should waste valuable time tracking down parents, verifying their religious affiliations, and then directing first responders to the nearest relevant hospital? Even if the Catholic hospital is 30 minutes away, but the "bad" private, for-profit place is 5 minutes away? Not everyone has the good sense to require care (emergency or otherwise) in the backyard of a well-funded charitable, religious hospital. Think about what you've written, here.

Wait, are we talking about a white child or a black child? Because if he's black that ambulance better not take him to the Whites-only hospital, even if it is only 5 minutes away.

 

[pirate]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

So the running train of thought is there is no correlation between your merits and the results you see in life, that the starting line must be equal for all people etc. Equal how?

When you guys figure out how to engineer everybody's brains so they all start out equally intelligent, engineer every family so that each kid gets equal nurturing from an equal number of parents, make sure they all get the same teachers in schools, make sure they all get the same influences from coaches and music teachers, they all are instilled with the same ambition, etc. let me know the starting line is 'equal'. Sounds like you've already figured out how to make net worth equal.

Of course you have to complete the study showing how weather impacts a child's chance for success and start building the bio-dome.

Good luck.

 

[FreshFish]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Let me get this straight. A child is playing after school, runs into the street, and is hit by a vehicle. So instead of waiting to provide emergency services to verify ability to pay, we should waste valuable time tracking down parents, verifying their religious affiliations, and then directing first responders to the nearest relevant hospital? Even if the Catholic hospital is 30 minutes away, but the "bad" private, for-profit place is 5 minutes away? Not everyone has the good sense to require care (emergency or otherwise) in the backyard of a well-funded charitable, religious hospital. Think about what you've written, here.

In your original post, did you not write that a person who comes to the emergency room without insurance and without a credit card would be refused service due to inability to pay?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

But do all the social programs we have try to achieve that? We take money from those who are well off and give it to those who are not.

We do?

If we do we're failing miserably cause the haves have more than ever before and the have nots have less than ever before.

Also, again in typical Republican fashion, you discount payroll taxes. Payroll (Social Security) taxes do not take from the rich to give to the poor. They take from the poor to give to the poor.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

We do?

If we do we're failing miserably cause the haves have more than ever before and the have nots have less than ever before.

Also, again in typical Republican fashion, you discount payroll taxes. Payroll (Social Security) taxes do not take from the rich to give to the poor. They take from the poor to give to the poor.

"From each according to his need to each according to his ability."

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I don't think he's an idiot, I think he and his ilk choose to ignore any facts that would separate them from their preconceived blankies and teddies.

I once got into an argument with a conservative out here who didn't like the Amber Alert system because it disagreed with his notion of States Rights or some other nonsense. Nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[pirate]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

We do?

If we do we're failing miserably cause the haves have more than ever before and the have nots have less than ever before.

Also, again in typical Republican fashion, you discount payroll taxes. Payroll (Social Security) taxes do not take from the rich to give to the poor. They take from the poor to give to the poor.

No doubt the haves have more, but how do we measure the have nots having less than ever?

There are people and families that fall through the safety net but the net does provide housing, food and health care. I'm not sure I understand how it is less than ever.

I'm not an expert on eligibility percentages or levels, nor in how housing subsidies rise and fall with the overall housing market or inflation...so I can't really value how those programs should be viewed in terms of impact on the poverty level.

It may be a bigger gap between the top and the safety net but I dont' think the programs were designed to provide a relative safety net that rises in proportion to the richest people...but instead I thought they were designed to provide basic housing, nutrition, education and health. If they fail to do that, it is the government's fault, not the citizens...we fund programs that are supposed to provide those services capably, if they don't it isn't because people voted to design poorly functioning bureaucracies.

I know there are ample stories where the system fails but, on average, I am not sure those at the bottom have less than ever.

An NO I'm not saying they should be grateful to be on government assistance or whatever other knee-jerk "hate the poor" responses I'll get. I'm not happy they find themselves in that situation nor do I disagree with the existence safety net...it is the golden rule in practice and therefore I support it. I think we waste too much to provide it but that isn't reason to not do it.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

No doubt the haves have more, but how do we measure the have nots having less than ever?

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It's rather simple. They have a less percentage of the pie than ever before. Their wages are practically flatlining while the rich's income is increasing at a very high rate. Compare the blue line and the red line on the chart linked below.

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/12/10139301-introducing-eds-vulture-chart