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Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

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Rover said:
I didn't think a guy of Bob's age could spin this much without getting dizzy, but no big deal. I put a study out there which people can debate or cry and run off over, but I personally found it be a thoughtful study on an issue that tends to get taken for granted as being true (older people get more conservative) but which may not be backed up by actual data. People are more than welcome to post a study that shows the opposite if they'd like.
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You cite my age. How old do you think I am? :p
 
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5mn_Major said:
Frankly, I don't know how someone overseeing a family has the same time to keep up with events that singles do.
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you've never had a 3 AM feeding call and browse the web while that adorably cute bundle in your arms snuggled and drank?
 
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Foxton said:
Lacking any substance of his own, Bob Gray reaches deep within his bag of tricks, past his abortion probulator, and pulls out 'dismiss out of hand'! His argument is super ineffective against those with cognitive abilities but will be loudly parroted by those without!
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The science of why we don't believe science:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

I have never met somebody that embodies all of the liberal or conservative stereotypes...from reading this board you'd think there was no middle ground. Perhaps it is just the Hatfields and the McCoys that would come on here.
 
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pirate said:
I have never met somebody that embodies all of the liberal or conservative stereotypes...from reading this board you'd think there was no middle ground. Perhaps it is just the Hatfields and the McCoys that would come on here.
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or schizophrenics perhaps? the same person logs on under two different screen names and then argues with himself? :eek:
 
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Bob Gray said:
Oh, good heavens. Please don't quote Foxton. ;) He's the only person I have on ignore, and seeing this rant reminds me what a wise decision that was.
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And once again you show how lacking you are. You have nothing to say in response so you dismiss without even giving a reason, hoping that everyone will just agree and not question.
 
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Kepler said:
A couple reasons why people may become more conservative as they get older:

(1) More property. Young people tend to have higher ideals about giving people an equal shot. The older you get, the more property you accumulate, and the more your attention turns to protecting what's yours. Essentially, older people are more "selfish," in the sense that they have higher bills and more things depending upon them, and they become more invested in looking after number one.
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Not quite.

I believe in an equal starting line, not an equal finish line. If you gave Bill Gates and me $10,000 to do with what we wanted when we went out on our own, he'd still be head of Microsoft and I'd still be a retired bureaucrat. And I have no problem with it.

What I don't like is when life is "rigged" so player X gets special advantages over player Y to enable X to get to the end with the same or more assets than Y.
 
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@joecct That still leaves the <s>64000</s> (speaking of old) million dollar question: what counts as a special advantage? Can we stick to equal protection under the law, and leave it there? Or do we have to take positive steps to ensure an equal starting point for X and Y?

I don't think we're going to be done debating where to draw that line for a long while, yet.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
@joecct That still leaves the <s>64000</s> (speaking of old) million dollar question: what counts as a special advantage? Can we stick to equal protection under the law, and leave it there? Or do we have to take positive steps to ensure an equal starting point for X and Y?

I don't think we're going to be done debating where to draw that line for a long while, yet.
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Does this phrasing indicate that in your mind, we are not even debating whether "that line" should be drawn at all in the first place?? or maybe that's what you meant by "stick to equal protection under the law, and leave it there?" ?

It can take on creepy overtones from others when you talk about 'equal' starting point, for does that mean we then must 'equalize' for genetic variation??

I think the most unfortunate words in political dialog are "fair" / "unfair." So many different meanings can be poured into those words, and such a sense of righteousness always accompanies them! How can anyone come out in favor of "unfair"-ness??
 
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Yep, that's exactly what I mean.

Pay-go emergency care is a good example. We can apply a rule equally to all: If you don't have health insurance ID and/or a major credit card in your wallet when you're hit by the bus . . . better luck next life.

But what if it's a child, who has no control over her parents' financial decisionmaking?

Does equal protection under the law mean something more than simply deciding that the law applies equally to all?

Maybe that's an easy case. But that's my point. The line between easy and hard cases is going to keep debates going for a long time.
 
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Rover said:
Given your posts I'm going to say about 95, give or take a year. ;)
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Well then, I'll quote Ronald Reagan:

"I want you to know also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience."
 
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amherstblackbear said:
Pay-go emergency care is a good example. We can apply a rule equally to all: If you don't have health insurance ID and/or a major credit card in your wallet when you're hit by the bus . . . better luck next life.
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Lots of people disagree with that....suppose you are a [insert affiliation]? can you go to a [charitable / religious affiliated ] hospital and be treated there because other members of the same affiliation have already set aside in advance private money to pay for that care?

The Mormons have an incredible organization for providing food aid, they have massive warehouses and a fleet of trucks. They can mobilize quickly and effectively to bring aid to disaster areas well in advance of any government agency.

Quite a few people sneer at "organized religion" as if it were some monolith still trapped in the 12th century. There is so much variety and versatility and community to be gained in the right places with the right people around. It was pretty much expected that everyone growing up would participate in volunteer community service work; I think even today many public secondary schools include that as a condition of graduation, and that occurs with no explicit religious affiliation whatsoever.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I would posit it could be the family. I have no evidence on me now, but I thought I recalled that single people are more likely to stay Dem even as they get older. One school of thought is that when you're single, we're all us. When you're a family and, you get protective. The paternal instinct you know. Frankly, I don't know how someone overseeing a family has the same time to keep up with events that singles do.
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I would think single people remain/get more libertarian. Once you have kids it's virtually impossible to hold on to the creepy Randian ideal of everybody being an atomic unit, and once you see the range of kids your own kids go to schools and grow up with, even within the relatively narrow niche carved out by demographics, it kills the adolescent idea that we have anything approaching equality of opportunity, or that where people find themselves in life is due to their own merits.
 
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joecct said:
Not quite.

I believe in an equal starting line, not an equal finish line. If you gave Bill Gates and me $10,000 to do with what we wanted when we went out on our own, he'd still be head of Microsoft and I'd still be a retired bureaucrat. And I have no problem with it.

What I don't like is when life is "rigged" so player X gets special advantages over player Y to enable X to get to the end with the same or more assets than Y.
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Fantasy land. There is no equal starting line and no equal finishing line.
 
Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

LynahFan said:
So based on his conservative posting, you assume he's old???

Hmmmm.....
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I think it has more to do with his "Get off my lawn" posting style...whenever I read his stuff I think of Dana Carvey as the old dude on SNL :D

In fact, this is an actual picture of Bob when UMD scored in OT to win the National Title last year:

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Re: Obama XXIII: The Muslin Anti-Christ Wages War on the forces of Christianity!

Old Pio said:
Reagan did NOT appear on TV with Ryan White and did NOT "apologize for his heartlessness." Reagan did write a tribute to White that appeared in the WaPo and IIRC was read at the young man's funeral, which occurred after Reagan left office.

"Sadly, Ryan's is not the only life to have been cut short by AIDS," Reagan said. "In a most poignant way, he told us of a health crisis in our country that has claimed too many victims. There have been too many funerals like his. There are too many patches in the quilt. We owe it to Ryan to make sure that the fear and ignorance that chased him from his home and his school will be eliminated. We owe it to Ryan to open our hearts and our minds to those with AIDS. We owe it to Ryan to be compassionate, caring and tolerant toward those with AIDS, their families and friends. It's the disease that's frightening, not the people who have it."
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I'm pretty sure I did see a PSA (Public Service Ad) in 1989 or 1990, after Reagan had left office, though it might have been in a print ad with something like the quote you posted appearing in text below it. I did not explicitly say Reagan "apologized for his [initial] indifference" I meant to say that it came across as something like that, which one can infer from the quote you posted. Sounds like we agree on the main points and quibble over the details.
 
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