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Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

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http://bigpeace.com/cjacobs/2010/09...school-students-also-sponsored-hate-speakers/

Some stunning revelations from that Wellesley,MA mosque, to which some people thought it was a good idea to take middle school kids.

I'm not surprised... again, the democrats have sanctioned the extremists and shunned the moderates because the extremists have a better funded PR campaign.

edit: and what does this have to do with the dems... well, I'm sure the school group wouldn't have gone there if these people weren't called moderate by those who sanction moderation.
 
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the cost-benefit equation is more complicated still.

ex: The #1 benefit that all the airport rigamarole provides is confidence in the airline industry. Not security, per se. What if people weren't quick to resume flying? All sorts of other bad crap would have followed. I've got a headache just thinking about it.

With an exceptionally narrow/security definition of 'benefit', we can justify s- canning a lot of post-9/11 policy. But in the bigger picture, things aren't as obvious.

we're at a point where every unfortunate event needs to have blame asigned and then a law to prevent it from happening again. I'm not 'pro-unfortunate events' but we're trying to create a society where nobody is responsible for any of their own actions that result in something bad. And anything that goes wrong needs to be made right, with blame and penalties and government agencies and laws and regulations and penalties and people to enforce it all.

If you raised your kids that way they'd be bumbling idiots that didn't know enough to get out of the rain, change a light bulb or get a job...but somehow if we treat the whole country that way it makes sense.

When was the last time you read a book about a really successful person that started off with a few chapters about having a cushy upbringing with no lessons learned, no accountability and no understanding of hard work? If W wrote a biography, in crayon, that would be one...depending on how you define successful. ;)

That is our country in a nutshell, or a nut house....what a kick in the nuts.
 
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I'm not surprised... again, the democrats have sanctioned the extremists and shunned the moderates because the extremists have a better funded PR campaign.

edit: and what does this have to do with the dems... well, I'm sure the school group wouldn't have gone there if these people weren't called moderate by those who sanction moderation.

The video of that visit shows 'em lying to the kids. In fact,some of the kids were involved in prayer services (non Muslim kids, of course). See if your imagination can conjure up the response from the Manger Police if we were talking about taking kids to a Christian church or a temple.
 
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See if your imagination can conjure up the response from the Manger Police if we were talking about taking kids to a Christian church or a temple.

C'mon, they take kids to the Cathedral all the time
 
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The video of that visit shows 'em lying to the kids. In fact,some of the kids were involved in prayer services (non Muslim kids, of course). See if your imagination can conjure up the response from the Manger Police if we were talking about taking kids to a Christian church or a temple.

You forgot to mention the Klan rally barbeque they went to in the spring. It was part of their "See, they're not so bad" course work. But, the uproar over the mosque visit has them questioning the Hells Angels Talent Show they were going to attend in October;)

I'm guessing the school district will make counseling available to the kids and get a federal grant to hire aids who can help these kids over the rest of their school years in case they experience any sad feelings about what they saw.
 
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Apparently you are allowed to brandish a weapon in front of a polling place and intimidating voters if you're black... but I suppose that makes up for all the injustice?

No question there should be prosecution. But these stories are so unique as to be bizarre. Are you telling me that the total of 'reverse discrimination' injustices like this equal injustices blacks, American indians and the like see?

I'd love to see that evidence.

If it were me, I'd shoot for lucidity first.

You don't get alot of compliments for your intelligence though do you...
 
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-tea-party-truethevote-texas/?test=latestnews


Massive fraudulent voter registrations in Harris County, TX (Houston) and a goon from SEIU (the president's favorite union) is running the operation. Quelle surprise.


Dude we get it. Dems cheat to register people who don't vote, Republicans fight for the right to suppress votes. It all balances. Whoever acts likes the least biggest dip$#$ usually wins.
 
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Dude we get it. Dems cheat to register people who don't vote, Republicans fight for the right to suppress votes.

And 99% of the people on TV think you're exactly half right. :p

Which is why Stewart and Colbert are successful.
 
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

http://bigpeace.com/cjacobs/2010/09...school-students-also-sponsored-hate-speakers/

Some stunning revelations from that Wellesley,MA mosque, to which some people thought it was a good idea to take middle school kids.

Whaddya know? They're preaching hatred and anti-semitism, all in the name of the "religion of peace." It's the usual double shuffle, practiced for decades by Arafat and more recently by "Imam" Rauf as he threatens NYC if his plans for "Jihadarama" are disrupted. Will it be too late when we finally learn what we're dealing with?


I think that last question is rhetorical. Especially given that supreme court members have mused (as you noted) about carving up the 1st amendment to allow an islam clause. it will be too late. it's like a Rod Serling TZ episode. and it's not "the monsters are due on maple street".

I'm going to ask this seriously and hope I get serious answers and not just slams and red dots.

what is moderate islam? who or what would you consider moderate? a person who thinks jews and christians should be killed but doesn't act on those thoughts? apparently that's a large % of people. is that a moderate? or a person who cheers suicide bombings but would not participate?

I guess when i see videos like this or hear audio of the same and see that some of these people speak at U.S. colleges I wonder what kind of pressure allows this hatespeech to occur w/out it being called out for what it is. who or what pressures our media to remain silent on this?

I'm all for allowing these guys to say whatever in the eff they want as long as the newspapers and media come out and show it to all of us for one, and for two call it for what it is. hatespeech. stuff children don't need to hear. if you're 18 and walk in there fine.

again, we see what's transpiring in europe and it's ugly. it doesn't need to happen here.
 
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Dude we get it. Dems cheat to register people who aren't eligible to vote or who don't exist, Republicans fight for the right to keep these phonies from voting. It doesn't balance. The same people who think it doesn't matter if you're born here before you can vote also think it's okay to vote after you've died.


FYP. That much whined about 2000 voter "suppression" effort in Florida resulted in a 60% INCREASE in black turnout compared to '96, and very nearly won Al Gore the presidency. Somebody needs to get a refund.
 
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FYP. That much whined about 2000 voter "suppression" effort in Florida resulted in a 60% INCREASE in black turnout compared to '96, and very nearly won Al Gore the presidency. Somebody needs to get a refund.

The single most politically damaging thing to happen to our country in your lifetime happened in '00 Florida. We could have had Gore until '04, then McCain would have taken over for eight years, and Mr. Obama would still likely be some senator from Illinois.

Instead we had the good guys (fiscal conservatives) pushed out of the Republican way and a bunch of corrupt war mongering a-holes run the country for eight years. The were such horrible people the democrats offered no solutions and still managed to win the presidency and almost sixty senate seats depending on the day.

As it is now many are seeing the Dems for what they are and we will get back to gridlock for another six years until we get another Republican in the white house. Sadly that may be the best thing for our country.
 
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FYP. That much whined about 2000 voter "suppression" effort in Florida resulted in a 60% INCREASE in black turnout compared to '96, and very nearly won Al Gore the presidency. Somebody needs to get a refund.

Yet had Al Gore carried his own home state of Tennessee, Gore would have had 277 EV, and Florida's result would not have mattered one iota. Let's see, a sitting vice president and a former Senator of that state, his daddy was a Senator of that same home state, and the (reasonably popular) president he served under carried Tennessee in both 1992 and 1996, and Gore fails to take care of his own back yard. That was where the 2000 election was lost, not Florida.

The last major presidential candidate before Gore that did NOT carry his own home state: George McGovern in the slaughter of 1972, and before that Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and 1956, when he was trounced both times by Eisenhower. Even Mondale took Minnesota while getting his nuts roasted by Reagan in 1984.
 
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As it is now many are seeing the Dems for what they are and we will get back to gridlock for another six years until we get another Republican in the white house. Sadly that may be the best thing for our country.

I pray for gridlock
 
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Yet had Al Gore carried his own home state of Tennessee, Gore would have had 277 EV, and Florida's result would not have mattered one iota. Let's see, a sitting vice president and a former Senator of that state, his daddy was a Senator of that same home state, and the (reasonably popular) president he served under carried Tennessee in both 1992 and 1996, and Gore fails to take care of his own back yard. That was where the 2000 election was lost, not Florida.

Gore decided to distance himself from Clinton. Big mistake. Cost us all immensely. Doubt he would have won a second term, but he should have had the goods to spare us from the Bush/Cheney/Rove thugs.
 
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I think that last question is rhetorical. Especially given that supreme court members have mused (as you noted) about carving up the 1st amendment to allow an islam clause. it will be too late. it's like a Rod Serling TZ episode. and it's not "the monsters are due on maple street".

I'm going to ask this seriously and hope I get serious answers and not just slams and red dots.

what is moderate islam? who or what would you consider moderate? a person who thinks jews and christians should be killed but doesn't act on those thoughts? apparently that's a large % of people. is that a moderate? or a person who cheers suicide bombings but would not participate?

I guess when i see videos like this or hear audio of the same and see that some of these people speak at U.S. colleges I wonder what kind of pressure allows this hatespeech to occur w/out it being called out for what it is. who or what pressures our media to remain silent on this?

I'm all for allowing these guys to say whatever in the eff they want as long as the newspapers and media come out and show it to all of us for one, and for two call it for what it is. hatespeech. stuff children don't need to hear. if you're 18 and walk in there fine.

again, we see what's transpiring in europe and it's ugly. it doesn't need to happen here.

You ask important questions, which time and my intellectual shortcomings combine to keep me from answering. Let me take a stab at some of them.

Are you old enough to remember Baby Huey? The 300 pound duckling who got shunned by his friends and attacked by the fox, 'til at the end, he realized he could just dispose of the fox violently, and usually did so. Didn't know his own strength. I think that's us.

No combination of these Islamist thugs can defeat us. Although, as we learned on 9/11, they can deal a grievous blow. These backward people are still living in the 7th century and lovin' it. They can't manufacture ball point pens. Iran has to IMPORT gasoline, for cripes sake.

Yet somehow, Islamists think their world: hangings, "honor killings," stonings, beheadings, arranged marriages, executions for women who learn how to read, sexual multilation and all the rest, are their gifts to the world.

As I've posted before, our First Amendment guarantees about freedom of religion (and freedom from religion) are perhaps the most ingrained in our culture. Much of the reason why there is a United States in the first place is the search for religious freedom. And because of that, we're terribly reluctant to condemn or even criticize someone else's religion. You rarely hear opinion leaders, or even ordinary Americans, criticizing the nonsense that is "Scientology." We just look the other way. As we do with Islam.

In the context of living in America I would define a "moderate" Muslim as a person who practices his religion while understanding that this is a nation of laws, not a theocracy. As long as they obey our laws, and reject the theocratic instructions of Islam--Jihad, etc., then we can live with them.

And I believe that definition includes that vast majority of Muslims in this country. I think they're far more assimilated than we give them credit for. Take those boys who were trying to balance football practice with Ramadan. THAT's assimilatiion.

The trouble, as you've pointed out, is the kind of "preaching" too often found in various mosques around the country. We have had a handful of nutbar Americans, incited by Islamist imams, who've become would-be terrorists. Some, like "Dr." Hasan, have actually carried out terror attacks.
He's still the scariest, IMHO, because he's a professional person and an officer in the Army, and at the end of the day, none of that meant anything to him.

We should certainly resist this effort to open a new front in the PC war that renders any criticism or opposition to Islam as "Islamophobia." It's been on display in NYC for weeks now, with the intellectual "elite" and our moral betters condemning the 70% of us who think that Islamist Victory Arch is a bad idea as "Islamophobic."

We should encourage, reward and protect from retaliation moderate Muslims who speak out against the crazies. Unfortunately, too many of our large institutions are scared s**tless of them. To my knowledge, the only major American newspaper that has published the controversial Muhammad cartoons is the Philadelphia Inquirer. The rest have chickened out. All of the rest. Based on that and numerous other captitulations, why would Islamists think they can't just bully us into submission?

Sooner or later Baby Huey is going to wake up and smell the coffee, and then Islamists are going to be flying out the windows of the saloon like in a John Wayne movie. I hope it's way sooner than later.
 
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The single most politically damaging thing to happen to our country in your lifetime happened in '00 Florida. We could have had Gore until '04, then McCain would have taken over for eight years, and Mr. Obama would still likely be some senator from Illinois.

Instead we had the good guys (fiscal conservatives) pushed out of the Republican way and a bunch of corrupt war mongering a-holes run the country for eight years. The were such horrible people the democrats offered no solutions and still managed to win the presidency and almost sixty senate seats depending on the day.

As it is now many are seeing the Dems for what they are and we will get back to gridlock for another six years until we get another Republican in the white house. Sadly that may be the best thing for our country.

You honestly think McCain would have been any better? McCain is hardly a "good guy fiscal conservative".
 
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Yet had Al Gore carried his own home state of Tennessee, Gore would have had 277 EV, and Florida's result would not have mattered one iota. Let's see, a sitting vice president and a former Senator of that state, his daddy was a Senator of that same home state, and the (reasonably popular) president he served under carried Tennessee in both 1992 and 1996, and Gore fails to take care of his own back yard. That was where the 2000 election was lost, not Florida.

The last major presidential candidate before Gore that did NOT carry his own home state: George McGovern in the slaughter of 1972, and before that Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and 1956, when he was trounced both times by Eisenhower. Even Mondale took Minnesota while getting his nuts roasted by Reagan in 1984.

You're absolutely right. And he's going to have to live with that irony. Still, it came down to a very close vote in Florida, where he also could have won it.
 
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Gore decided to distance himself from Clinton. Big mistake. Cost us all immensely. Doubt he would have won a second term, but he should have had the goods to spare us from the Bush/Cheney/Rove thugs.

Even so, Al Gore in Tennessee is akin to George Bush in Texas. He should have had plenty of pull to take care of his own home state. For God's sake, he was an 8-term Congressman before he was working on his 2nd term as Tennessee's Senator, before he lit out for the VP position. His dad was a 7-term Congressman and then a 3-term Senator. The Gore name kinda carried some weight in Tennessee.

Tennessee never should have been in play, and Gore managed to **** it away. There is no way on earth that TN should have been red. None. And if he takes care of his own front porch, he can tell Florida to stick it in their ear on the way to Pennsylvania Ave.
 
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