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Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
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Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
You know most of us on the right don't want the GOP involved in restricting the internet, on video games, in music, in movies and pretty much every other type of content imaginable. At least not at the federal level. I know there are many conservatives that are pro-life. I won't speak for all of them, but I have no interest in a national law making abortion illegal. I would like to see roe v wade overturned because it is bad law. The issue really should be up to the states.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
It's perfectly reasonable to seperate the GOP from "many conservatives".
In fact, I think that was part of 5mn_major's point: it's the GOP, not your average modern conservative, that wants all of those things.
You can say that about either party really. As a moderate liberal, I'm appalled by a lot of what I've seen the current crop of Democrats. The behaviors and legislative record of both political parties hardly reflects the ideals held by most liberals and most conservatives. And it sure as **** doesn't reflect the ideals held by most moderates.
Both parties are full of bat-**** crazy fools, yet like lab rats getting shocked by electrified food pellets, the American public keeps going back for more. Who else are we going to vote for?
It's perfectly reasonable to seperate the GOP from "many conservatives".
In fact, I think that was part of 5mn_major's point: it's the GOP, not your average modern conservative, that wants all of those things.
You can say that about either party really. As a moderate liberal, I'm appalled by a lot of what I've seen the current crop of Democrats. The behaviors and legislative record of both political parties hardly reflects the ideals held by most liberals and most conservatives. And it sure as **** doesn't reflect the ideals held by most moderates.
Both parties are full of bat-**** crazy fools, yet like lab rats getting shocked by electrified food pellets, the American public keeps going back for more. Who else are we going to vote for?
solovsfett
Registered User
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
wow. this is depressing
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Obamacare-is-even-worse-than-critics-thought-960772-103571664.html
wow. this is depressing
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/Obamacare-is-even-worse-than-critics-thought-960772-103571664.html
WeWantMore
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Here's the CBS poll you attempted to cite 5mn
It shows:
39% wanting abortion legal- no change
38% wanting abortion legal- but with tighter restrictions
22% wanting abortion totally illegal
So, when you accuse the GOP of wanting tighter restrictions against the wishes of 75% of the population, the poll you cite shows pretty much the opposite.
I give you the benefit of the doubt though, as it must be tough having to dodge bullets on your daily commute.
Here's the CBS poll you attempted to cite 5mn
It shows:
39% wanting abortion legal- no change
38% wanting abortion legal- but with tighter restrictions
22% wanting abortion totally illegal
So, when you accuse the GOP of wanting tighter restrictions against the wishes of 75% of the population, the poll you cite shows pretty much the opposite.
I give you the benefit of the doubt though, as it must be tough having to dodge bullets on your daily commute.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...tus-status-after-plea-from-chris-kennedy.html
U. of Illinois slaps the face of BO's good radical buddy, the guy who helped start his political career. It's a little late, but richly deserved, IMHO.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...tus-status-after-plea-from-chris-kennedy.html
U. of Illinois slaps the face of BO's good radical buddy, the guy who helped start his political career. It's a little late, but richly deserved, IMHO.
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
16,000 more IRS agents...in an environment in which efficiency is increasing every day, the government not only can't figure out how to downsize a department that has seen tremendous increases in electronic filing, they need to hire 16,000 more???
16,000???? That is insane. How did they come up with that number? That is over a billion dollars in salary and related. Per year. Before mandated increases in pay. Before capital expense. Before supplies, travel blah, blah, blah.
Complete BS. No other organization in the country would look at this economy, the gains made in technology and the deficit and decide it makes sense to hire 16,000 more IRS agents. Of course, that is 16,000 more votes.
16,000 more IRS agents...in an environment in which efficiency is increasing every day, the government not only can't figure out how to downsize a department that has seen tremendous increases in electronic filing, they need to hire 16,000 more???
16,000???? That is insane. How did they come up with that number? That is over a billion dollars in salary and related. Per year. Before mandated increases in pay. Before capital expense. Before supplies, travel blah, blah, blah.
Complete BS. No other organization in the country would look at this economy, the gains made in technology and the deficit and decide it makes sense to hire 16,000 more IRS agents. Of course, that is 16,000 more votes.
solovsfett
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
that's 16,000 more agents to ensure you and I and everyone else falls in line
pretty soon they'll be riding in along in my car to work to make sure I take the most expeditious path, and maybe even suggest walking to save the planet
that's 16,000 more agents to ensure you and I and everyone else falls in line
pretty soon they'll be riding in along in my car to work to make sure I take the most expeditious path, and maybe even suggest walking to save the planet
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
I prefer calling it "doing your civic duty", subject.
I prefer calling it "doing your civic duty", subject.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Did Obama file an amicus detailing his and Bernie's babysitting skills?
Did Obama file an amicus detailing his and Bernie's babysitting skills?
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
well, the IRS only has 94,000 employees now. What is another 16,000? Of course, there is plenty of debate on whether it really is 16,000. And plenty of debate whether they would even be responsible for policing health care. Which is an interesting argument...the IRS needs up to $10billion additional dollars but they won't be doing any incremental review....so then what do they need the people for? In the zeal to prove there really won't be incremental IRS agents checking your insurance card, they are saying they just need $10billion and may not really hire many people at all. Cue Mark Knopfler.
By the way, you read that right. 94,000 people, no wonder they need to hire more.
How many people do you think Citibank has sending out statements, researching fraud, collecting accounts and receiving payments? Probably less than 10% of what the IRS has, and they do hundreds of millions of units a month.
that's 16,000 more agents to ensure you and I and everyone else falls in line
pretty soon they'll be riding in along in my car to work to make sure I take the most expeditious path, and maybe even suggest walking to save the planet
well, the IRS only has 94,000 employees now. What is another 16,000? Of course, there is plenty of debate on whether it really is 16,000. And plenty of debate whether they would even be responsible for policing health care. Which is an interesting argument...the IRS needs up to $10billion additional dollars but they won't be doing any incremental review....so then what do they need the people for? In the zeal to prove there really won't be incremental IRS agents checking your insurance card, they are saying they just need $10billion and may not really hire many people at all. Cue Mark Knopfler.
By the way, you read that right. 94,000 people, no wonder they need to hire more.
How many people do you think Citibank has sending out statements, researching fraud, collecting accounts and receiving payments? Probably less than 10% of what the IRS has, and they do hundreds of millions of units a month.
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Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Fraud research itself... you'd be lucky if its 20 people. The other stuff is just a matter of regular operation.
Fraud research itself... you'd be lucky if its 20 people. The other stuff is just a matter of regular operation.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
you think the fraud department at citibank, one of the largest credit card issuers in the world is 20 people? I don't think so.
Not sure what you mean by regular operation, both Citibank and the IRS send and receive hundreds of millions of statements, payments etc.
Let's use a US only comparison...Cap One, they also would send and receive hundreds of millions of statements and payments, more than the IRS does a year. They have 28,000 employees and a $6B budget. The IRS, $13B budget...one release says they are spending $387 million to complete a database project in 2010.
Reminds me of the "that is one big twinkie" quote. $387mm to finish a database project? I don't want to know what the full cost is. Actually I do.
you think the fraud department at citibank, one of the largest credit card issuers in the world is 20 people? I don't think so.
Not sure what you mean by regular operation, both Citibank and the IRS send and receive hundreds of millions of statements, payments etc.
Let's use a US only comparison...Cap One, they also would send and receive hundreds of millions of statements and payments, more than the IRS does a year. They have 28,000 employees and a $6B budget. The IRS, $13B budget...one release says they are spending $387 million to complete a database project in 2010.
Reminds me of the "that is one big twinkie" quote. $387mm to finish a database project? I don't want to know what the full cost is. Actually I do.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
I have to prove I have Insurance, but Arizona can't ask if I'm here in the US legally
I have to prove I have Insurance, but Arizona can't ask if I'm here in the US legally
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Funny, the actual poll shows 60% either wanting it illegal or more restricted than what it is now. That's more closely aligned with the GOP stance than the Dem stance. If the Supreme Court hadn't needlessly meddled in it, this wouldn't be an issue right now - it would've been settled by either Congress or state legislatures 30+ years ago.
There is no right to gay marriage contained in there, and there is no right to an abortion, either. Those are things that have to be either allowed or banned by legislatures at the state level, unless Congress wishes to pass a law concerning either of them. At least, this is the way it should go if the courts have the good sense to stay out of it altogether until legislative action has been taken. The sensible thing to do would be to eliminate 'marriage' altogether in the legal sense and simply view people as legal couples (civil unions) or not. If people want a marriage, they can find a religion willing to grant one.
Pretty self-explanatory, but here goes: you basically implied conservative beliefs/stances are dictatorial (I think the exact phrase you used was 'contrary to democracy'). That's pretty humorous since allowing legal gun ownership by private citizens is about as anti-tyrannical as it gets. Being against abortion is also hardly anti-civil liberties if you were able to recognize the possibility that people who feel that way are attempting to protect the rights of the fetus which they believe to be a living, albeit unborn, person.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
I suppose it depends on what we define as "research".
I suppose it depends on what we define as "research".
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Right on. Recognizing this point is essential to preventing another 11 pages of pro/anti vitriol. Let's all agree that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are worth federal protection, while recognizing that we don't agree on what constitutes life. And leave it at that.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
fair enough, it wasn't really the key to the point...I'm guessing with credit card, debit card, checking, mortgage, consumer loans, business loans, ACH etc. they have a lot of potential fraud to prevent, investigate and repair...I was trying to equate that effort to some of the work the IRS has to do investigating taxes.
fair enough, it wasn't really the key to the point...I'm guessing with credit card, debit card, checking, mortgage, consumer loans, business loans, ACH etc. they have a lot of potential fraud to prevent, investigate and repair...I was trying to equate that effort to some of the work the IRS has to do investigating taxes.
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